PA - Assassination attempt, shooting injures former POTUS Donald Trump, leaves 1 spectator deceased two in critical condition, 13 July 2024 #2

[vivier]

This was local law enforcement. Still, it is the SS’ overall responsibility.

Secret Service themselves flagged that roof as a security vulnerability in advance to the event.

“Someone should have been on the roof or securing the building so no one could get on the roof,” said one of the sources, a former senior Secret Service agent who was familiar with the planning.

Rooftop where gunman shot at Trump was identified as a security vulnerability before rally: sources

Two sources told NBC News that the Secret Service flagged a building near the rally site as a security concern. Investigators will be scrutinizing how a gunman was allowed to scale it.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[lonetraveler]

actually I don't think anything is in place to arouse suspicion. And that is not really a large amount only about $40 worth, I think. now the explosives would be another thing...

He didn't need much in the way of ammunition. He knew he would not live long enough to use much of it. JMO

 

[lonetraveler]

I wasn’t saying buying Ammon or a rifle is wrong or unusual. He was seen carrying a rifle on the grounds. Isn’t that unusual?

I see that as a huge blinking red light with a sign saying I'm going to kill Donald Trump.

 

[Dotta]

Don’t know that this is comparable to being tackled by several men but it reminded me of when my older brother was involved in an auto accident years ago.

Can’t remember if he was driving his buddy’s VW bug or was the front seat passenger but they were hit near head on by another vehicle. Luckily no major injuries but the Bug was totaled.
It didn’t roll or flip over,but when they came to a stop my brother was sitting upright in the back seat and his lace up sneakers were still sitting on the front floorboard! He said they were a pretty snug fit.

For years we marveled at the deal with his shoes.

I have a friend who is an ambulance crew.
He told me when they are called to car accidents,
and they see shoes lying on the road
then they know it is serious matter.

 

[vivier]

Crooks.was employed as a dietary aide at a nursing home at the time of the shooting, the home's administrator said in a statement.

"We are shocked and saddened to learn of his involvement as Thomas Matthew Crooks performed his job without concern and his background check was clean," said Marcie Grimm, administrator of the Bethel Park Skilled Nursing and Rehabilitation Center.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/after-attempt-his-life-trump-sees-moment-unity-2024-07-15/

 

[vls12345]

I see that as a huge blinking red light with a sign saying I'm going to kill Donald Trump.

It could have also been seen as someone exercising his Constitutional right to bear arms. Trump and the GOP in general support gun owners' rights including open carry, etc. So I would guess that some might not have seen it as necessarily alarming. Imo.


From earlier this year:

https://www.reuters.com/legal/pennsylvania-cannot-bar-adults-under-21-carrying-guns-court-rules-2024-01-18/

"A federal appeals court on Thursday ruled that Pennsylvania laws that ban 18- to 20-year-olds from carrying firearms in public during a state of emergency are unconstitutional, citing a landmark U.S. Supreme Court ruling that expanded gun rights."

 

[Arkay]

I think that is a good point. They are their to protect their protectant but you are talking about an adult with free will.

JFK’s day in Dallas on 11/22/63 was a rainy day which cleared up by the time he got into the presidential limousine. He instructed his Secret Service to remove the bubble top from the car so the people could see him and Jackie.
There is some dispute about it as the bubble top was plastic, not bulletproof, but it certainly could have deflected the bullets.

Lessons were learned that day in the Secret Service Agency. THEY are in charge, NOT the protectee.

I know it’s Trump’s nature, as he himself has said, that he doesn’t ever want to appear weak in public. Such as when he had Covid and didn’t want to go to Walter Reed… he was told he HAD to go and he could accompany them while he could still walk or he’d be removed by stretcher, so he walked slowly to the helicopter.

Though Trump absolutely cares about his image, IMO if he hadn’t been told that the shooter was down, he wouldn’t have continued to pop up on the podium and when they were hustling him into the car. LOL I think he would have abandoned his shoes, too, had he thought he was still in danger.

November 22, 1963: Death of the President

Although he had not formally announced his candidacy, it was clear that JFK was going to run and he seemed confident—though not over-confident— about his chances for re-election. At the end of September, the President traveled west speaking in nine different states in less than a week. While the...

www.jfklibrary.org

JMO

 

[Cindizzi]

I have a friend who is an ambulance crew.
He told me when they are called to car accidents,
and they see shoes lying on the road
then they know it is serious matter.

Yes I remember LE or EMT saying that they were so lucky and must have had a guardian Angel with them or it could have been much worse ( if the small car had rolled or both vehicles had been speeding).

 

[Sundog]

in your experience though would it be an option? And if I can ask a question from your experience is indoor safer? Thank you for your input.

If someone brought their own security, they would have to defer to the Secret Service, and I doubt that the Secret Service would allow them to have their own firearms at the venue. Also, colleges and universities in many states have a prohibition against having firearms on campus, except for formal law enforcement such as SS, local and state police. Private security with firearms would not be permitted on campus with their firearms - due to state law and/or university regulations if a private institution.

I think it's important to remember that there has not been an attempted assassination of a U.S. president since President Ronald Reagan, IIRC, and there have been numerous indoor and outdoor rallies over the last 40 or so years. This would-be assassin seems to have got lucky based on some security lapses at this particular event. Very tragic for the country and for those who were shot.

JMO.

 

[Cindizzi]

There’s a Video at top of article from behind the stage showing SS hustling DJT off and throwing his shoes off the stage.

* explicit language * in background

https://twitter.com/x/status/1812898796596007323

 

[Simply Southern]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1812956358456860912

As more witnesses and law enforcement come forward with their accounts, I become more concerned.

Looking more and more like, the secret service didn't care about the safety of their protective.

Moo

 

[Seattle1]

Is


Is it legal to bring someone else's gun?

I think there might be an age barrier if he borrowed a handgun versus the rifle. For some reason you have to be 21 to possess/transport a handgun but only 18 for a rife.

 

[vivier]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1812970419256778853

 

[Charlot123]

As I said, I don’t think the parents should face charges. I was merely replying to the line of thought and bringing up a previous case where parents were found liable.

Not for raising him of course. But if the gun was not registered to the son, probably.

 

[fred&edna]

Former SS agent, Christopher McClenic, says it's impossible the US Secret Service didn't know about rooftop danger and discusses "walk-throughs" SS does prior to events.

 

[Sundog]

I find this interesting. I’m not sure most people’s minds would go there, unless they believed their son was capable of such a thing.

I wondered about that, too. I think there's a lot more to come out about the shooter and his situation.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Notably, the shooter’s location was outside the security perimeter, raising questions about both the size of the perimeter and efforts to sweep and secure the American Glass Research building, and how the shooter was able to obtain rooftop access.

Secret Service questioned on rally security, rooftop access after Trump assassination attempt

The shooting is being investigated as an attempted assassination of the former president.

www.kcra.com

BUTLER, Pa. — Two women who watched former President Donald Trump’s rally Saturday from a neighboring property described what they called lax safety measures beyond the event’s security perimeter.

Valerie Fennell and Deb Kuminkoski had tickets to go to the rally, but, because of the heat and the large crowd, they decided to hang back and watch from Fennell’s backyard, which backs up to the area where the rally was held.

Fennell’s backyard is in a grassy area between where the Trump crowd gathered and the AGR factory where the shooter was perched on the roof of one of the buildings, about 150 yards away.

Because she lives so close to where the event was held, Fennell said, she was expecting authorities to contact her, to even knock on her door, in the lead-up to the rally. She thought they might set up a security station on her property because it’s so close by.

That call never came, and Saturday, she said, she was looking around the area to see where security had set up but didn’t see anybody.

Instead, the entire area just outside the event’s perimeter was open and people were walking around freely within 150 yards of where Trump was speaking with no security visible, they said.

Fennell said that there “might have been” two or three police cars, as well as local police, parked nearby but that she didn’t see them stopping anybody who walked nearby.

Witnesses describe lack of security in lot that backed up to Trump rally

Valerie Fennell lives on a property between where the Trump rally was held and the building from which the shooter fired before he was killed.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Sundog]

Not IMO. Son is over 18 and there was no intent on behalf of the Father.

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We saw that the parents of an adult female, Gabby Petito, filed a lawsuit against the parents of the adult male who murdered there daughter, so this is always a possibility. Also, the parents of GP also filed a lawsuit against law enforcement in Utah based on what they deemed to be inappropriate intervention with their adult daughter and adult boyfriend when they were stopped by Utah police during their cross country camping trip.
So as information comes out on this particular situation, who knows if there will be any grounds or perceived grounds for a civil lawsuit.

 

[Charlot123]

What about Robert Crimo's father?

RC is a 4th July Parade shooter in Highland Park.

And his father was charged for facilitating to obtain a weapon.
RC was 21.

Yes, I have mixed feelings towards these parents. On the one hand, it is not their fault that they passed own genes over to the kids. It is their misfortune. On the other hand, surely they should know better? See that kids may be depressed, hopeless, hate own lives? And not assume that things will sort out by themselves.

 

[Sundog]

There was a timeline posted with time stamps of when things happened and of SS agents comments that were heard on the open mic. Before they stood President Trump up they had confirmation that the shooter was dead and that the counter sniper team was in place. I don't think Trump had any idea exactly what happened when he stood up. <modsnip: quoted post was snipped> He looked confused to me and was likely in a bit of shock. The crowd was staring at him to see if he was okay. He raised his hand up to show them he was good and I see it as him giving reassurance to the crowd that gathered to hear him speak that he was in fact okay.

Yes, that's how I saw it unfold in real time on live tv. It was all very fast and confusing with everyone doing the best they could under the circumstances.