PA - Assassination attempt, shooting injures former POTUS Donald Trump, leaves 1 spectator deceased two in critical condition, 13 July 2024 #3

[weepingangel]

'Agency in crisis': Secret Service has decade-old staffing shortfall

Interviews with former agents and an NBC News review of government documents and reports reveal an agency struggling to retain agents and keep pace with threats.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Izzylizzy]

This is the first I've heard on this timeline of TMC's father calling LE.

I've only read he called around 11 pm or 12 am which was hours after the shooting.
Anyone else hear that he called LE before the shooting?

Thomas Matthew Crooks’ Parents Called Cops Before Trump Shooting

It’s unclear exactly what his parents told authorities, but the call reportedly came before the assassination attempt on Donald Trump.

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[justtrish]

Taken from President Trumps FB page. This is an update from Trumps doctor Ronny Jackson, MD. He is the doctor for Trump when he was President and has been with him since the night of the shooting.

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[Simply Southern]

I know. I'm hoping that the reasoning is that she is due to brief on Monday and maybe they are just waiting to get some information from her first. I feel there has been bi-partisan outrage over what happened. The USSS are tasked with protecting the office of the president, future, current and former.

I'm not holding my breath she will appear on Monday. She was to appear on the 18th and HHS prevented her from speaking.

She's been issue a subpoena for the hearing on Monday.

Taking bets, she's a no-show.

Oops forgot the link

House Oversight panel subpoenas Secret Service director after Trump assassination attempt

A key issue in the unfolding aftermath of the shooting is how security responsibilities were divided between Secret Service and local law enforcement at the rally.

www.nbcphiladelphia.com

Moo ....

 

[LetsSolvIt]

'In the clear': Dr. Anthony Fauci weighs in on Trump injury after shooting

The former White House chief medical adviser said he sees no reason to believe Trump suffered any further damage or injury.

www.usatoday.com

I don’t think Dr. Fauci is telling us anything that hasn’t already been reported about physical trauma, but I cannot imagine the psychological trauma President Trump must be processing — this was seriously a close call. <modsnip>

IMHO.

Added: Here is new medical information as of July 20, detailing the wound by former White House physician who has actually evaluated the former president.

“Donald Trump's former physician Ronny Jackson said on Saturday that the former president is recovering as expected … [and] said Trump may require a hearing exam. …

“Jackson, providing what appeared to be the first public description by a medical professional of Trump's gunshot wound, said in a letter posted on social media Saturday that ‘the bullet track produced a 2 (centimeter) wide wound that extended down to the cartilaginous surface of the ear.’... He said no sutures were required, but noted that due to the ‘highly vascular nature of the ear, there is still intermittent bleeding requiring a dressing to be in place.’”

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trumps-former-physician-gives-new-details-gunshot-wound-2024-07-20/

 

[Izzylizzy]

I have a question about the section I bolded and underlined above. Did he mention whose responsibility it was for the victim's head to be down? I have brought that up before that height wouldn't matter had he just ducked his head (and that the other SS agents shouldn't have ducked their heads as they did. The wrong people were doing the head ducking IMO! Was it their responsibility to put a hand on his head and hold it down, or to tell him "Head DOWN, Sir!!!"?

And now that I'm looking at the picture again, the one closest to his right (our left) looks like he's praying he doesn't get hit. The woman looks like she's looking down so as not to trip on anything, or perhaps turned to listen to what the guy with his hand on her back is saying to her/them.

With all that said, he really needed to duck his head, and since he didn't, I wonder who that's on? SS because it was protocol (IF it was their protocol, hence me asking above if that's part of what they were trained to do), or Trump because he wouldn't duck his own head?

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Picture source (yellow lines mine): 5 things to know about the Trump rally shooting

That photo goes against everything SS are trained to do.
Soon after the 25:20 mark in the Trisha/Jim YouTube he said as soon as Trump was standing he should have been surrounded by the agents with Trump's head down and not visible and gotten as quickly as possible to the vehicle.
When in a situation like this when the president's (or any other person they're protecting) life is in danger the SS has the full authority to handle the situation their way no matter what the president says or wants or doesn't want to do.
SS Jim said it's not like if when he was protecting Obama and let's say Obama decided he wanted to walk down the street for pizza and his agent (s) advised against it for security reasons and Obama insisted, Obama would get his way because his life was not in danger.

 

[Betty P]

If this is true, then it raises questions concerning the Secret Service protection detail.

I can see it raising questions whether the protection detail were spread too thin on the same day at different locations or if they are understaffed.

It also makes you wonder if the agents that placed Trump into the SUV after the shooting were the actual Secret Service agents or agents from another agency.

If you listen to Tricia's YouTube interview with Former Secret Service Agent Tim Rathmann, he explains who the various parties are. All of the agents on the stage and at the black SUV were SS agents, Trump's team. It's a great interview, it will answer many questions.

 

[weepingangel]

Taken from President Trumps FB page. This is an update from Trumps doctor Ronny Jackson, MD. He is the doctor for Trump when he was President and has been with him since the night of the shooting.

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Is he still Trump’s doctor ? The letter is headed and signed “former physician” to DJT

 

[justtrish]

Is he still trumps dr? The letter is headed and signed “former physician” to DJT

I do not know about on a daily/weekly basis now if he is President Trumps doctor, but he was his doctor for the 4 years he was in the WH. The letter says he's been with the President since the night of the shooting and he is traveling to the rally today with him and then back to DC for the week. It sounds like he rushed to his side due to being concerned for him.

 

[Seattle1]

I have wondered if TMC was a convicted juvenile felon since the rifle used was his father's, the rifle wasn't necessarily the best and I think he had a good deal of discretionary income from having a job while living at home. Certain juvenile offenses can result in a lifetime firearms ban even if those offenses don't otherwise impact now-adult juvenile offenders.

I don't think there's been any evidence or incidents reported thus far to support TC was a convicted felon -- juvenile or otherwise. And I also don't think using his father's rifle that was acquired legally 11+ years ago is out of the norm.

 

[Friday Fan]

bbm
Is he still Trump’s doctor ? The letter is headed and signed “former physician” to DJT

I noticed he didn't make mention of any stitches. (I assume he may be gotten several, but maybe he didn't??)
I think he's well qualified to write a report. It's a pretty straightforward wound and he's describing the healing process, so he doesn't need to run tests or review of systems. He's just examining a wound.

 

[Tillicum]

I just took a peek at the rally and Trump isn't wearing a bandage anymore.

 

[Seattle1]

I believe I read that his father noticed his gun was missing. I have wondered why they were quickly concerned about him too.

Reportedly, he told his parents he'd be back from the gun range at 1 pm and his family never heard from him that he'd be delayed and TC did not respond to their messages. When FBI unlocked his phone -- unanswered calls/texts from his parents were some of the last info recovered from his phone (in addition to TC's search for *advertiser censored*).

ETA: as linked in prior thread

PA - Assassination attempt, shooting injures former POTUS Donald Trump, leaves 1 spectator deceased two in critical condition, 13 July 2024 #2

I guess my questions / thoughts are, A. if the security detail is standard can a campaign hire more security, I would assume they would assess and if they are seeing what so many see in hindsight raise a concern and hire more. B. the shooter was off grounds? correct? so he did not go through any...

www.websleuths.com

 

[Gemmie]

Donald Trump begins speaking at the campaign rally at Grand Rapids, Michigan, where he appears to no longer be wearing a bandage on his injured ear from last Saturday’s assassination attempt.

Trump and Vance speak in Michigan at first rally post-assassination attempt – live updates

Event in critical battleground state alongside Ohio senator JD Vance first for pair since they officially became the nominees

www.theguardian.com

 

[Izzylizzy]

Reportedly, he told his parents he'd be back from the gun range at 1 pm and his family never heard from him that he'd be delayed and TC did not respond to their messages. When FBI unlocked his phone -- unanswered calls/texts from his parents were some of the last info recovered from his phone (in addition to TC's search for *advertiser censored*).

Shades of the Crombleys texts with their son on that infamous day comes to mind.

The timeline of the texts and voice messages and then the contents may give valuable information into the dynamics of the parent's relationship with TC and what concerns they may have had and why.

 

[fred&edna]

Does anyone know how many US SS agents AND US DHS agents were on duty at the PA rally?

 

[Waxahachie1]

Not sure why the media would ask Fauci to weigh in on President Trump's wounds, he has no inside knowledge about the nature of the injuries.

There was an interview with a Board Certified ear specialist who said that Trump may need or want plastic surgery to repair the area of the ear that was possibly disfigured by the gunshot. NPR, in an article posted earlier on this thread, had interviewed someone close to President Trump (IIRC it may have been his son) who stated that this may have been the case (small area of disfigurement of the ear due to gunshot).

In any event, whatever the damage to President Trump's ear/head, the trauma of being the victim of a near-death event perpetrated by an assassin with him as the target, has to be an incredible shock to the system - physically, mentally, and spiritually.

He also has to be incredibly sore, bruised, and hurt from the SS piling on him, kind of like a football tackle but without any equipment.

Interesting. Fauci said the only things he could say - that he had no personal knowledge of Mr. Trump's condition but what he has seen and heard in the media, Trump seems to be OK.

He didn't comment on possible psychological trauma, but then Trump's personal physician didn't either.

I think Trump has very powerful psychological defenses against the feelings we associate with trauma. He developed them as the child of an extremely abusive father, and the mentee of an unscrupulous lawyer. Neither man had any characteristics we would recognize as compassionate or empathic, toward the young Trump or anyone else. Trump will do his utmost to minimize, compartmentalize and bury any emotions that arise from the fact someone tried to assassinate him.

 

[RANCH]

Interesting. Fauci said the only things he could say - that he had no personal knowledge of Mr. Trump's condition but what he has seen and heard in the media, Trump seems to be OK.

He didn't comment on possible psychological trauma, but then Trump's personal physician didn't either.

I think Trump has very powerful psychological defenses against the feelings we associate with trauma. He developed them as the child of an extremely abusive father, and the mentee of an unscrupulous lawyer. Neither man had any characteristics we would recognize as compassionate or empathic, toward the young Trump or anyone else. Trump will do his utmost to minimize, compartmentalize and bury any emotions that arise from the fact someone tried to assassinate him.

Kind of a harsh opinion of someone who nearly died from a bullet fired at his head.

Totally unjustified in my opinion.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

‘Miracle he wasn’t killed’: Trump’s White House doctor provides health update on bullet wound

Donald Trump’s White House physician gave an update on how the Republican presidential nominee is doing a week after he was injured in an assassination attempt.

www.knoe.com

 

[sds71]

In the days that followed their first site visit, the Secret Service made its requests for local assistance. The law enforcement presence at the site on the day of the rally — federal, state and local — ending up totaling more than 100 officers, a Secret Service official said.

Butler County Sheriff Michael Slupe said he had about six deputies at the rally, whose primary jobs were to secure the perimeter and “make sure people didn’t jump the fence” into the rally.

The State Police said in a statement that its approximately 30 to 40 troopers were there “to assist with securing the inside perimeter.” The statement said the agency “was not responsible for securing the building or property at AGR International.”

The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement had 16 Homeland Security Investigations agents at the rally assisting the Secret Service, according to two U.S. officials. One of the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the continuing investigation, said the ICE agents were deployed in various roles such as screening members of the news media as they entered the secured area and helping direct traffic.

Dozens of Local Police Officers Were at Trump’s Rally. Very Few Were Watching a Critical Area.

Local law enforcement officials, present in abundance, said they were not assigned security duties around a warehouse used by a man who tried to kill former President Donald Trump.

www.nytimes.com