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Didn't he say he went up on the roof?
Maybe he did.
Didn't he say he went up on the roof?
I like your verbiage.All my opinion .... A little bit of food for thought
Let's change the verbage to outdoor events.
My perspective changes.
Do we really want to prevent/discourage Presidents, VPs, First Ladies both past and present from participating in outdoor events?
No more college commencement, no sports events, no throwing the first ball out before a major league game, no Olympics, no outside events in foreign countries- for sure, no more placing a wealth on the Unknown Soldiers Tomb, no more trips to the ice cream shops, outdoor restaurants, lawn and garden parties or cookouts. This is just a few events that would be prohibited.
All because we can't trust the SS to develop safe site plans, snipers, drone aerial surveillance, communication for all involved, and more. They don't seem to be able to take responsibility and as we have heard there is no accountability. The new director is hurt, the staff are sad, upset, low morale, and concerned about protecting themselves.
Since Butler I've learned and researched on federal processes extensively. SS only protects the inner perimeter, they delegate everything else to local police with no support, training or communication. Large cities are able to do a great job, It's a little small towns, with small police forces that struggle, they may not have inside venues or transportation to travel to an inside venue.
Should we only have events in cities like Chicago, Milwaukee, or New York City, because they have the resources training and staff? What about the people of rural America, the children hoping to get a lifetime chance to see a current a former president or first lady. I'm remember the first time I saw a president, it was a feeling of aw and vast emotions, I was 12.
I say no, we can't discourage outside events because an agency with a 3 million dollar budget it's incapable of protection. Are we going to force protectees to run scared because the agency can't function as mandated by Congress.
If the Secret Service cannot protect protectees, we need to look to another agency.
Should we consider the military, they have more than enough people, the best resources in the world? Possibly create a new protection division.
Just shut down the protection division of the Secret Service.
They've been plagued by one scandal after another for the last 30 years and been unable to recover.
Anyone have any thoughts...
The Senate and House spend August in their home state office. They meet with constituents, attend events and keep in touch with Interns and Aids working in their DC office.I've already forgotten...when is the next hearing scheduled? I want to be sure to watch Rowe testify or rather test-a-lie, again.
TIA
jmo
Yes, there's a photo I'm him lying on the roof then he presented at the hearing.I wonder if Rowe has been to PA, yet?
Bbm.I like your verbiage.
I don't really believe indoor events are that much safer than outdoor events, unless the "indoors" is an actual hardened target like a meeting area on a military base. Even there, you always have the possibility of someone like Nidal Hasan.
There have been numerous reports of the SS failing recently. But the Butler rally was such a shitshow, on so many levels, at so many intersections and for such an extended period of time that, IMHO, logic strongly suggests that something sinister is going on - knowledgable neglince at best, and very bad things beyond that. The lockdown on facts reinforces that suspicion. We really need answers on what happened here before we can even try to fix it going forward. But time marches on, which is why stonewalling is historically such an effective tactic.
Well they got the wrong guy.Rowe may have been brought in to do some major damage control ?
Imo.
Omo.
The Senate and House spend August in their home state office. They meet with constituents, attend events and keep in touch with Interns and Aids working in their DC office.
Both houses are due to return September 9th. That's not just saying it there's an emergency, they can reconvene quickly.
I didn't check the Senate website calendar and no hearings are showing scheduled for any committee. I assume they'll schedule when they return.
Moo
Link to Congressional calendar below
snipped for focus, BBMAll my opinion .... A little bit of food for thought
I say no, we can't discourage outside events because an agency with a 3 million dollar budget it's incapable of protection. Are we going to force protectees to run scared because the agency can't function as mandated by Congress.
If the Secret Service cannot protect protectees, we need to look to another agency.
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Maybe the election process in the US needs to be changed. To put all candidates on a level playing field. Maybe a potential candidate shouldn't be allowed to campaign from the day they were inaugurated. That puts a tremendous strain on all aspects of the government; from providing security for the candidate to vetting the locations, using local LE personnel who provide additional security.How in the world are political leaders suppose to wave to the crowds while exiting/entering their aircraft?! See, it's just best they don't travel at all. Oooooh more taxpayer savings!! The benefits are growing every moment.
jmo
I'm not sure if this combined committee will release information like Chairman Grassley. I did check his website today, no additional updates.Thank you for the info. IIRC Rowe committed to having the "involved" SS agents available to committee members within days, and I assume any info gleaned will be included in the open record... am I correct? And, if you know, is this record viewable only to committee members or can it be accessed by the public & news reporters and if so, when? (Only after Aug 14 or ?) TIA!
PS: I don't know how I forgot Rowe lying prone on that roof... thank goodness I'm not a SS agent
Thank you, thank you !!!!snipped for focus, BBM
Well said but -
It's $3 BILLION - not 3 million.
which just emphasizes your point.
The Secret Service budget has swelled to more than $3 billion. Here's where the money goes.
Almost half the Secret Service's personnel is tasked with protecting the president and other elected officials. Here's what to know.www.cbsnews.com
In the US, the first amendment right to free speech would prohibit a limit on campaigning.Maybe the election process in the US needs to be changed. To put all candidates on a level playing field. Maybe a potential candidate shouldn't be allowed to campaign from the day they were inaugurated. That puts a tremendous strain on all aspects of the government; from providing security for the candidate to vetting the locations, using local LE personnel who provide additional security.
According to this article, wealthy candidates can always provide their own security and pay for it out of their own pocket or use campaign funds for security details. Even regular-Joe congressmen and women have to make a personal decision on how to protect themselves from wingnuts yet without being provided regular security. The number of threats that SS deal with every year aren't limited to presidential candidates - they run from Supreme Court judges, congressmen and women, senators and private citizens like Paul Pelosi (although Nancy's personal detail followed her and no one was protecting her husband). So there's another lapse in security. Trump is the first former president to actually run again so he presented a much different circumstance than let's say, Jimmy Carter or George W H Bush. I believe that difference is why there was a lapse in security. I doubt it will happen again.
FEC wants to allow campaigns to pay for security amid rise in threats
Threats against Congress members rose eightfold since 2016.ny1.com
Capitol Police knew security precaution lapsed ahead of Paul Pelosi attack - Roll Call
The Capitol Police let a security precaution lapse for months ahead of the October 2022 break-in and attack on Paul Pelosi.rollcall.com
In Canada where I live there is a limit to when a candidate can start campaigning. Once the election is called usually between 37 to 51 days the candidates can start campaigning. Some drop out because they don't have the funding (usually the fringe type candidates). Here's a chart that shows the differences in voting.
Federal Elections Comparison Table | Elections Canada's Civic Education
Comparableelectionsanddemocracy.ca
The problem is that there aren't enough indoor venues in key locations that are large enough for President Trump to hold rallies for those who want to attend. An indoor venue with only the capacity of 7,000 - 8,000 people and that leaves another 10,000 people outside is not ideal during a campaigning period. So it is understandable that outdoor venues may be selected, and ideally outdoor venues that are less of a security challenge than apparently Butler was for the SS."Just over two weeks after he was injured in an assassination attempt at a rally in Butler, former President Donald Trump returned to Pennsylvania on Wednesday for a campaign rally in the state capital.
Trump took the stage at about 7 p.m. ...... saying he wasn’t going to give up outdoor rallies."
Trump campaigns in Harrisburg in first trip back to Pennsylvania since assassination attempt
Conspiracies are real and happen every day, especially in politics where power, control and money are driving factors. The term "conspiracy theory" was put forth by the CIA to discredit those who questioned the official story in the JFK assassination. They tried to make people look crazy who dug for the truth.I agree that it's irresponsible for leaders to promote conspiracy theories, but when there's a news vacuum, people often resort to conspiracies to explain the situation.
SS dropped the ball--not only at the attempted assassination but also afterward. Rowe claimed he wanted to wait until the investigation was complete to fire anyone, and I get that. Still, all agents who were in a position to hear/see/act in a different way that might have prevented the shooting should have IMMEDIATELY been temporarily relieved of their duties pending the results of an investigation.
That's what LE typically does when there's a big investigation--just to maintain integrity. Not doing so in this case is creating a partisan feel, and that opens Pandora's Box to conspiracies.
But, more than that--it's actually putting Trump in a more favorable light with voters. Had SS come out with a strong message that they would NOT tolerate this type of ineptness and really thrown their messaging behind that--they'd look better now.
All JMOO
During Rowe's testimony before Congress, he stated that he went up on the roof and laid down in a prone position and felt ashamed at what he saw.I wonder if Rowe has been to PA, yet?
I think that is likely the case, but how can U.S. citizens forget about an assassination attempt on one of their presidents? I've never forgotten the assassination of JFK, or the attempted assassination of President Reagan, and now will never forget the assassination attempt on President Trump, the most recent in our lifetime. President Trump's assassination attempt took place on live television with thousands of people watching and tens of thousand people at the event itself. This is something that will be etched on our memories forever. As sad as that is.Bbm.
ITA.
They're hoping the public will forget after a lengthy amount of time passes.
Omo.