Found Deceased PA - Dakota James, 23, Pittsburgh, 25 Jan 2017 #2

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Is it known that Dakota used Grindr? I think any of those types of things can be potentially dangerous, IMO.

Yes, as a seasoned gay man (!) I was surprised, at how so ingrained it is into the younger gay generation. Gay man. Has cell. 98% on Grindr!!!

Dakota, according to cops "social dating apps" were examined - had to be on his phone for that to happen!!!

No judgment here - thats just how it works nowadays - in ten years infants will emerge from the birth canal with a smartphone all charged up and ready to go!!
 
Yes, as a seasoned gay man (!) I was surprised, at how so ingrained it is into the younger gay generation. Gay man. Has cell. 98% on Grindr!!!

Dakota, according to cops "social dating apps" were examined - had to be on his phone for that to happen!!!

No judgment here - thats just how it works nowadays - in ten years infants will emerge from the birth canal with a smartphone all charged up and ready to go!!

Thanks for clarifying CARIIS. Yes the younger generation does everything on their phones now, and it's like an extension of themselves.I guess that's it, it is just the way it is, the age of technology. In some ways it's not a bad thing and in other ways not so much.
If LE were able to retrieve data from Dakota's phone that could perhaps help in the investigation if he had arranged to meet someone, but we don't know that yet.
LOL at your last sentence about smartphones, :)
 
Thanks for clarifying CARIIS. Yes the younger generation does everything on their phones now, and it's like an extension of themselves.I guess that's it, it is just the way it is, the age of technology. In some ways it's not a bad thing and in other ways not so much.
If LE were able to retrieve data from Dakota's phone that could perhaps help in the investigation if he had arranged to meet someone, but we don't know that yet.
LOL at your last sentence about smartphones, :)

not IMO I do not think Grindr cooperated. Just mo. Or are dragging their feet - knowing full well LE not is gonna take this higher to battle it.

When they found Dakota, all the more reason to just let it all it go -- they will do the standard no clue what happened, case done with

ad but I think realistic
 
I think it is time Dakota's family allow the toxicology reports to be released to the public... If body was released than they have them....LE would not release body if toxicology was not back. Funeral arrangements would not be made either if body was not released to family...

Sorry but...

What's up with that????


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Yes, they DID release the body. NO, tox results are not back yet. Obviously the family was smart enough to get an outside M.E. to also do an autopsy. They can take samples of tissues and use them now, as well as down the road, if further tests are needed. The results are taking a while longer because I'm sure they are running EVERY test possible. This is a very smart family.
This was certainly not an accident.
When he was recovered from that water, people on scene publicly stated that DJ was absolutely recognizable. This proves he was not in water for 40 days.
Now our question is this: Who had him & what did they do to him?
 
Yes, they DID release the body. NO, tox results are not back yet. Obviously the family was smart enough to get an outside M.E. to also do an autopsy. They can take samples of tissues and use them now, as well as down the road, if further tests are needed. The results are taking a while longer because I'm sure they are running EVERY test possible. This is a very smart family.
This was certainly not an accident.
When he was recovered from that water, people on scene publicly stated that DJ was absolutely recognizable. This proves he was not in water for 40 days.
Now our question is this: Who had him & what did they do to him?

The body would not be released unless they were done no matter who was running test they would need body...

Not samples...

They keep body in case something is questionable....

Have you ever had someone in your family murdered? I have and I know what happens.

Cyril Wecht...


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The body would not be released unless they were done no matter who was running test they would need body...

Not samples...

They keep body in case something is questionable....

Have you ever had someone in your family murdered? I have and I know what happens.

Ceril Wecht...


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I am friends with Koty's family. I am telling you the truth. His funeral service is this weekend. Tox reports are NOT back yet.
Your sister's case and Koty's case are 2 different cases.
And for the record, Cyril Wecht, (that's the correct spelling) is assisting on this case.
Thank you for your interest.
 
I am friends with Koty's family. I am telling you the truth. His funeral service is this weekend. Tox reports are NOT back yet.
Your sister's case and Koty's case are 2 different cases.
And for the record, Cyril Wecht, (that's the correct spelling) is assisting on this case.
Thank you for your interest.

He worked on my sister's case too..
Then they have released body because they do not think it was murder...

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You are speculating. I understand this site is for theories and opinions, however I am stating facts for you.

Blood, urine, and tissue evaluation for drugs, alcohol, or other toxins (toxicology). Testing generally requires 3 to 6 weeks (or longer when initial results are inconclusive and additional tests are ordered).
Microscopic examination of tissue for injury or disease (histology).
Testing may require up to 6 weeks to complete.
Consultation with forensic experts and law enforcement may be required.


Also,
If death is unexpected, traumatic or suspicious, or the cause of death cannot be documented on the death certificate:

The body may need to be taken to the coroner’s office where an autopsy will be performed to determine the cause. Different county and state laws determine whether the coroner is required to examine the body.

If an autopsy is to be performed, the state in which the person died may require a family member to sign an authorization form. Some counties have funds available for autopsy and body transportation; others may charge for these services.

Once the autopsy has been completed, the body will be released.
 
Yes, they DID release the body. NO, tox results are not back yet. Obviously the family was smart enough to get an outside M.E. to also do an autopsy. They can take samples of tissues and use them now, as well as down the road, if further tests are needed. The results are taking a while longer because I'm sure they are running EVERY test possible. This is a very smart family.
This was certainly not an accident.
When he was recovered from that water, people on scene publicly stated that DJ was absolutely recognizable. This proves he was not in water for 40 days.
Now our question is this: Who had him & what did they do to him?

Thankyou for clarifying that Dakota was released to his family. I hope DJ's family get the answers they need.
 
If death is unexpected, traumatic or suspicious, or the cause of death cannot be documented on the death certificate:

The body may need to be taken to the coroner’s office where an autopsy will be performed to determine the cause. Different county and state laws determine whether the coroner is required to examine the body.

If an autopsy is to be performed, the state in which the person died may require a family member to sign an authorization form. Some counties have funds available for autopsy and body transportation; others may charge for these services.

Once the autopsy has been completed, the body will be released.

Walker525...
Does this mean the cause of death has been determined to enter on the death certificate so the body could be released to the family?

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The body would not be released unless they were done no matter who was running test they would need body...

Not samples...

They keep body in case something is questionable....

Have you ever had someone in your family murdered? I have and I know what happens.

Cyril Wecht...


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I'm so sorry for that happening in your family, :grouphug:
 
If death is unexpected, traumatic or suspicious, or the cause of death cannot be documented on the death certificate:

The body may need to be taken to the coroner’s office where an autopsy will be performed to determine the cause. Different county and state laws determine whether the coroner is required to examine the body.

If an autopsy is to be performed, the state in which the person died may require a family member to sign an authorization form. Some counties have funds available for autopsy and body transportation; others may charge for these services.

Once the autopsy has been completed, the body will be released.

Walker525...
Does this mean the cause of death has been determined to enter on the death certificate so the body could be released to the family?

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In my former post, I was trying to explain the different stages of how long it could take for results and that they do not need to "keep the body" until they have a "cause of death"
There has been an autopsy performed....
Testing was most likely VERY extensive.
The autopsy procedure is a very comprehensive examination. The process and the associated testing that is completed is time consuming. The final report (referred to as the autopsy report) is usually available in ten to twelve weeks after the autopsy.
Also, when an autopsy is performed, a death certificate will not be completed and certified until the autopsy results are finalized. This typically takes ten to twelve weeks following the autopsy.
 
If death is unexpected, traumatic or suspicious, or the cause of death cannot be documented on the death certificate:

The body may need to be taken to the coroner’s office where an autopsy will be performed to determine the cause. Different county and state laws determine whether the coroner is required to examine the body.

If an autopsy is to be performed, the state in which the person died may require a family member to sign an authorization form. Some counties have funds available for autopsy and body transportation; others may charge for these services.

Once the autopsy has been completed, the body will be released.

Walker525...
Does this mean the cause of death has been determined to enter on the death certificate so the body could be released to the family?

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I just think this is a dance. It makes some sense in the new year's couple found dead on the side of the road with kids watching movie in the back - makes me think autopsy would tougher.

These cases found dead in rivers. No external
stuff. Those are rule outs. It is my beleif if this was a congressman's son stuff is finalized,

IMO there is a political angle to this. In the public's mind the mayor is involved. Le is under scrutiny.

IMO only if date rape drug found telling. BAL tell nothing significant, in terms of that night as far as it relates to walking ability.

I know for me if we went solely by intake- there are so many variables that impact the effect of the identical amount ingested

SIgnifgant variables. I am confident it is the same for all. Especially when we are questioning the ability to stand up.

The zipper angle is huge. Thought it was a brilliant observation - just common sense. Zipper up pretty good rule out.

What is his drinking history?
How is his liver?
Was he stressed?
Tired?
What did he eat?
What is his body mass?
Every human processes alcohol different.-absorbation rates are different for everyone
Everyone process food different.
Each individual's functional tolerances are different.
Depressed?
How fast is one consuming?
Exercise history?
Carbonated beverage?
Sugar?
\Medication Tylonol an hour earlier?
What is the temperature in settings one drinking in?
Age/gender impact BAL
Was he bring gently held or afraid for his life prior - impacts respiration, blood pressure, entities that impact the liver processing ethanol.
Much confusion as to how much ethanol each person produes during death and decom.

There are so many variables that impact how alcohol impacts a *advertiser censored* sapian - that do not relate to BAL-in every drinking event

IMO the notion that BAL determines if accidental or murder is too nice. Too easy. To irrelevant on its own. moo


When I was drinking with colleagues, let's say same quantity, there were differences. That is mental state, role expectation etc. Were you out to get blasted, or relax (expectations) impact result - even if the intake is identical.

What was his relationship with the person he was hanging with? Am I in a dance bar, or a piano bar? What is the environment during intake. Is it Friday night to throw it to the wind or do you have to get up in the morning? Mindset. Nothing to do with BAL.

Its kinda like a belief that cholesterol level would identical if we ate a quarter pounder on a Tues or Thurs. Haman body and mind too complicated to make stuff that concrete.

We are true crime followers. We know there are entities that give a huge amount of data on the spot. Body temp, de comp, attire status, overt body damage (stabbed).

The most important deal only mo is there water in lungs, how much, how long etc, I just don't get the autopsy results (on a physical level) not being out there in any of the cases.

If the tox results, in any other similar cases changes total conclusion well on that level maybe. Wait for months re-tox screen, they come back, and it still remains inconclusive.

They can't have it both ways. Either the tox screen has a serious factor in final determination or it does nothing, like in most of these cases.

It's kinda like saying in car wreck speed is the only variable. That is just not true. The angle of impact, tires, road surface. age of vehicle, driver response time, construction of each of vehicle etc etc

IMO these cases are very prone to media delay. This just occurred to me - it would be interesting to find out how long, on other cases, where sexual orientation is most likely hetero (never can KNOW) if the timeframes are different.
 
Yes, they DID release the body. NO, tox results are not back yet. Obviously the family was smart enough to get an outside M.E. to also do an autopsy. They can take samples of tissues and use them now, as well as down the road, if further tests are needed. The results are taking a while longer because I'm sure they are running EVERY test possible. This is a very smart family.
This was certainly not an accident.
When he was recovered from that water, people on scene publicly stated that DJ was absolutely recognizable. This proves he was not in water for 40 days.
Now our question is this: Who had him & what did they do to him?

I so agree. My frustration is cause of Joey. How on earth no water in the lungs keeps a case inconclusive drives me batty. When I heard that. devasted me.

That is just flat out dumb. Deceased people cannot get to the river without assistance. That translates to there is one human being (at least) that knows a lot more than known. Peroid moo

Dumb and insulting and wrong for Joeys family. IMO it is not right , in terms of conclusion, for Joeys family to have the final chapter be he drank too much and is deceased. There is a quiet blame embedded in that. Like it is his fault. Its not Dakota's fault either. Its a tragedy.

There is some nuance , to how survivors process these things. If I was going 45 mph or 135 for survivors it makes a difference for the rest of their lives. At least give both of these families a more authentic final chapter.


And hey I am open to the notion that as a gay man I might have more sensitivity to situations like this, cause there is also a quiet implication that he might have deserved it if there was sex involved.

Am I saying Joey and Dakota are more tragic than hetero dudes who have ended up in the same tragedy, certainly not. But there are no quiet judgments being made with a straight dude out drinking and looking to get laid. Identical.

That is identical to saying a rape victim deserved cause of a tight blouse.

Neither are true.
 
The forensic pathologist conducting the autopsy is available to discuss case findings with the family throughout the process. A preliminary one-page written report, called u201cProvisional Anatomical Diagnosisu201d is mailed to the authorizing family member within 24-48 hours after an autopsy is performed. The final report including all histology and toxicology tests interpreted by the physician will be completed and mailed within 60 days.

In the case of a murder these timelines are fast tracked....

SECTION 1241 - RELEASE OF CORONER'S JURISDICTIONBack to Top
Whenever the coroner assumed jurisdiction of a body pursuant to the provisions of this subdivision or of any other law, the body shall not be released or removed from his jurisdiction except upon his direction and consent, in accordance with law.

SECTION 1242 - COOPERATION WITH DISTRICT ATTORNEYBack to Top
In the exercise of his duties as contained in this subdivision, the coroner shall, so far as may be practicable, consult and advise with the district attorney. The district attorney shall act as counsel to the coroner in matters relating to inquests.

1955, Aug. 9, P.L. 323, Sec. 1242

SECTION 1244 - CERTIFICATE OF CAUSE OF DEATHBack to Top
The coroner shall issue a certificate of cause of death in all cases referred to him by the local registrar of vital statistics, pursuant to the provisions of the act, approved June twenty-nine, one thousand nine hundred fifty-three (Pamphlet Laws 304), known as the Vital Statistics Law of 1953", and in all other cases of which he has jurisdiction, if no person duly authorized by the said act certifies the cause of death.
1955, Aug. 9, P.L. 323, Sec. 1241

SECTION 1240 - BODIES NOT TO BE MOVEDBack to Top
In all cases where the coroner has jurisdiction to investigate the facts and circumstances of death, the body and its surroundings shall be left untouched until the coroner has had a view thereof or until he shall otherwise direct or authorize, except as may be otherwise provided by law, or as circumstances may require.

As amended 1990, Nov. 29, P.L. 602, No. 152, Sec.


Therefore as I said I believe as in my sister's case a cause of death has been determined and the family hired outside help which was confirmed above by someone who claims to know family... Therefore Dakota's family was not happy with results they were given...

I am not saying anything against Dakota... ( I have a son about his age ) I have admired Pamela James faith throughout the search... I do feel bad for any family that has had to go through this ordeal...

It is really sad the camera's weren't working...

Pittsburgh needs to do a better job at maintaining them...
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I wanted to say also that I think a study needs to be done on the River Walk....Engineers hired... The river's here in Pittsburgh have a swift current. The river edge drops off quickly in many places where the walk is very close. We have bad weather here. It gets icy!!!! We have a lot of young people in Pittsburgh....It is a college town. Maybe something needs to be done with the River Walk.

Engineers need to move the Walk a further distance from the water...and no access to climb down close to water under bridges.


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So was water found in Dakota's lungs?
 
So was water found in Dakota's Lungs?
I think family would know that answer already...autopsy would of showed that...

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