PA PA - Kortne Ciera Stouffer, 21, Palmyra, 29 July 2012 - #5

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Originally Posted by Eileen730
There is a guy on her friends list a Guy with the initials GC from Major model agency now when Holly bobo went missing there was a guy with the same last name from Mahem Modeling agency i think its the same dude!
I don't know all the logistics behind Mayhem Modeling and without spending too much time looking into it .. If we are talking about the same Mayhem .. its not really an agency but instead a website for "models" and photographers upload their photos to "get noticed" .. (I only know this because a client of mine uploaded some of her shots that I took to it) .. Could this "GC" "friend guy" be like a "Tom" is to Myspace? Once you open an account he is automatically your "friend"?

*If there is a different Mayhem that is an actual agency then YES it would be way weird!

The above quote was posted on one of the first pages. I apologize to the moderators if the following breaks the rules. As I said above, I am new here. I almost hesitate to post this because I don't want to distract from the more likely scenarios.

Kortne apparently did some amateur modeling in 2010, the same year that she posted on her Facebook about going to CO. In the above quote, it seems that the first poster is suggesting that there may be a connection between the modeling activities of another missing person and Kortne's modeling activities, based on a "GC" person. We have no way of knowing if the GC person is relevant, but I would be interested if he is one of the two people who are no longer listed as friends.

In any case, Kornte lists a Photography person/company on her facebook page. The link still works. When you take the name of that person/company and Google it, you get a link to a website with a picture of the same person and a link to "Model Mayhem." There's nothing odd about the photographer, and no reason to believe that there's anything improper about Kortne's modeling. However, if Kortne did post pictures/adds on Model Mayhem or a similar site, it is worth exploring because this site has been mentioned in two other missing persons cases. Meems, I will accept your explanation about the site, that it's more of a freelance way of advertising yourself as a model. Nothing necessarily suspicious about that site, but sometimes the wrong people can use things like craig's list to their own improper purposes, or create a "backpage"-type site like the Village Voice used to have.

Before getting into any conspiracy theories, I think its reasonable for LE/family/family's lawyer to investigate whether Kortne had recently contacted anyone from the modeling world. There are some sketchy aspects to marketing yourself online, but it seems Model Mayhem may be the equivalent of Facebook for young women who want to give modeling a try. Almost every missing young person has a Facebook account, but it doesn't mean there's a connection. If you try hard enough, you can connect almost any two people through their friends, family, etc. The missing person case in Tennessee may be entirely unrelated to any modeling activity since I think they've already arrested some registered SO in that case.

A darker angle is what LE in CO are saying about a missing person there. Apparently this young woman vanished after being picked up to go to a modeling job, leaving behind her purse and phone. LE believes there is a trafficking operation there, and a nonprofit has helped 70 people with "Stockholm Syndrome" escape. The descriptions of that woman indicate her hair color and style may have been changed.

I don't want to sidetrack the more mainstream theories, and I wouldn't say there's more than a 1% chance that Kortne is somehow involved in a modeling-related kidnapping scenarios. However, I would explore it if I were LE. She did mention moving to CO (the same state where there is an apparent problem with predators using modeling sites and agencies to recruit women) in 2010, the same year that she did some modeling. If there was a drug debt, it's possible that she considered some riskier ways of making money to pay people back. If nothing else, anyone with young daughters should warn them against getting involved with online modeling. Seems like a bad idea to me, but then again, I don't even believe in Facebook for kids, or anyone else.

Not to make light of anything, we should also note that CO recently legalized marijuana. If I were her parents, I would send missing posters to all of the medical/recreational marijuana shops in the state.

I have a couple of questions and maybe you can provide some help eagle?

I wish I knew who this "GC" person is? Any idea who this may be?

Second I made the connection between KS liked page (photography) on Facebook and Model Mayhem. Great work!

Besides Holly Bobo, what other missing persons have connections to Model Mayhem? Or is she the only one?

Can you let us know who is the missing young woman in CO that you referenced above?

This is very interesting information and I feel it should be explored further.

Also very good advice about CO and marijuana, I hope KS family reads here!
 
Model Mayhem isn't really an agency per se but a site where aspiring models can upload photos of themselves. According to Kortnes facebook posts it looks like she really didn't entertain much modeling since 2010, but having said that .. we aren't privy to her latest posts either.

I did some research on this early after she went missing and could not find a connection between her and Holly Bobo at all .. but then again, I could have missed it.

The Colorado connection I found between Kortne and Colorado was a young woman that was once a local and went to school with Kortne, that moved to Colorado. (IIRC) Parts of Colorado are "quite the scene". I personally know a local young man that moved to Colorado for "musical purposes" and to "enlighten the world thru his music" .. IF Kortne met up with someone from the HMAC (Harrisburg Midtown Arts Center) (where she was allegedly spotted after she was reported missing) then Colorado could have some credence. And YES .. good call on the legalization of pot out there.
 
Thanks Bloodhound. Glad the links worked for you. The other missing person, the one in CO, is Kara Nichols. Don't know if there are threads about her on this site. I don't know who "GC" is, I couldn't follow that part of it. An earlier poster was trying to use this person to show a possible link between Kortne Stouffer and Holly Bobo. I don't believe there is one, other than that they had both done some modeling.

Here's a LE release about the CO case:

http://news.elpasoco.com/Pages/default.aspx?ReleaseID=768

A news article that mentions the non-profit/rescue org:

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/natio...poses-problem-of-sex-trafficking-exploitation

and another news article that mentions the models site:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/missing-model-victim-sex-traffickers-article-1.1208280

Again, it seems unlikely that there's a direct connection between Nichols and Stouffer, but I think the modeling aspect is relevant in the Stouffer case, if nothing else, as something that should be investigated and ruled out. If she was advertising as a model online, it's another aspect of Kortne's life that may have carried with it some risk. Usually, I would write off these kinds of theories as being too far-fetched, but the comments by LE and the nonprofit and the Nichols are too creepy to ignore.
 
So I had a look at KS fb page and searching her friends list for people with names starting G, there are only two people and neither have a surname starting with C.....interesting...Perhaps this is one of the two people that have dropped off her friends list.
 
Holly was not connected to MM. Possibly, a cousin of hers was. But it is an extremely popular site for girls who want to be models.
 
Are there any other pictures of her, did she wear makeup sometimes, but not on a regular basis, and did you ever try different hair colors and styles since she was a hairdresser?
 
Holly was not connected to MM. Possibly, a cousin of hers was. But it is an extremely popular site for girls who want to be models.
I agree that there doesn't seem to be a direct connection between holly bobo and Model Mayhem. I was going by the earlier post by eileen 730. Maybe she can fill us in on anything that we may have missed. Still, I think the modeling activities of KS are worth looking at. Phone records, social networking contacts, emails, etc., with any of her modeling contacts in the weeks before her disappearance.

I still think that the alleged drug debt theory is the most likely explanation. Does anyone have more info on AB? I'm guessing that he may have been the third male in the car, as well as the one who fought with AB at the bar.

Also, do any locals have more info on CP, MR, and the track/gambling scene? I have been to PennNational, but it was years ago, before they got table games. Didn't know there was a drug scene there. From what I understand, CP was a blacksmith there (made horseshoes), and MR or and/or his family own a horse. Does AB have a role there? Did KS, her bf, or her family have any connection to the track/casino?
 
Are there any other pictures of her, did she wear makeup sometimes, but not on a regular basis, and did you ever try different hair colors and styles since she was a hairdresser?
Skeet, not sure I understand your questions. I am going by earlier posts that suggested that KS may have changed her hair color/style. Other than what's been posted online, I haven't seen any of the actual posters. In some of the Kara Nichols story, there is talk that she may have changed her hair in some way. I wouldn't read too much into it. Young women do change the hair. To go far down the rabbit hole, if you don't want to be found (or someone else doesn't want you to be recognized) you might change your appearance. I don't believe that's what has happened here though. There are other more likely explanations.
 
Hello, I am also probably one of the visitors you have referenced in the past. I live about five minutes from Palmyra however I don't know the family or any of the parties who have been named. My sole interest is that of a mother who cannot imagine not knowing where my child is. I was once a free spirited young girl who moved away to find myself, of course I told my family first and they knew where I was. I also made some careless choices and looking back on them now that I have a child, it scares the crap out of me. Anyway, I just wanted to intro myself. I do not believe that KS left on her own and also share a lot of the same opinions as some of you. I don't believe the neighbors are involved. I have some younger friends that have shared some shady experiences they've had at The Gas Station in Hummelstown. IMO, I think that is where the trouble started for KS. Praying for a positive outcome for her mother's sake.
 
WELCOME! Thanks for posting.. and interesting spins on this case.
 
Along that line....

Kortne left on her own (but why didn't she take anything???)

Other players/individuals there that we are unaware of???

Or was Kortne still at apartment when CP left....oh, my....that really complicates things....

This case causes my head to spin...

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Does anyone know if the apartment building allowed you to smoke inside or did they have to go outside to smoke, that would be the only reason I could see why she would not have taken anything with her.
 
Does anyone know if the apartment building allowed you to smoke inside or did they have to go outside to smoke, that would be the only reason I could see why she would not have taken anything with her.

Hi, Skeet, I don't know that answer to your question, but after the stormy events of the day and following morning, I would not surprised if Kortne would want to leave the apartment to smoke a joint.
 
I did notice in the local grocery store this week that the flyers for Kortne had been removed. I also saw a local self storage business with Kortne's information posted on their sign. The business does sit on a busy road near where Kortne grew up. As a resident of the same county Kortne went missing from, I am appalled at the lack of information out here about her disappearance.
 
The silence is deafening ..

Kortne where are you? Merry Christmas hippy chick!
 
I don't know if this has been mentioned before..but its enough to make your blood run cold....

http://www.fox43.com/news/wpmt-poli...-police-impersonator-20120706,0,5505970.story

Both located not far from Palmyra and there was also another one in Hershey....

The two names in the article are not friends on KS, MR or CP facebook.

I wonder now if this was a crime of opportunity...Possibly one of these individuals was using a police scanner and saw an opportunity handed to them on a plate....

In saying that though I still have trouble believing that any LE, legit or not would have been able to silence KS in her current state of mind and intoxication. I have had quite a bit to do with drunk people, and they don't tend to do things quietly.....

Does anyone know how much they had to drink before they came back to the apartment?
 
I heard a radio spot this morning on a local station, BOB 94.9, from Harrisburg. It was Kortne's father going over the details of the case and asking for anyone with any information to contact the Lebanon County DA's office. He also talked about the reward being ay $42K and also mentioned that her eye color may be different due to colored contact lenses. It sounded to me like he was reading a press release that I have read before. No new details. It did sound like it was a paid "advertisement". I found it to be very odd, especially this long into her disappearance. He did mention that she has been gone 120 days.
 
Maybe it was just her dads "tone" that made you feel that way Cutter? Just from my own personal observations I find him to be kinda flat toned without much emotion. He seems to carefully think before he speaks causing long pauses between sentences. Just coming off a very emotional holiday without his daughter, I would think he might be kinda "flat" ..

This is actually the first time I have heard the possibility of different colored eyes, although those who sleuth have always known this, along with different hair styles and colors to be a possibility. I wonder if Kortne had colored contact before she went missing or there is belief that her identity is trying to be hidden.
 
Maybe it was just her dads "tone" that made you feel that way Cutter? Just from my own personal observations I find him to be kinda flat toned without much emotion. He seems to carefully think before he speaks causing long pauses between sentences. Just coming off a very emotional holiday without his daughter, I would think he might be kinda "flat" ..

This is actually the first time I have heard the possibility of different colored eyes, although those who sleuth have always known this, along with different hair styles and colors to be a possibility. I wonder if Kortne had colored contact before she went missing or there is belief that her identity is trying to be hidden.

It's hard to determine what the colored contacts comment may mean, but to me, it indicates at the very least that her father thinks she may be alive and is possibly in disguise. As to weather or not the disguise is being done of her own free will or is forced, is an entirely different matter. Regarding what would make Kortne's dad think that, it makes me wonder if maybe they are getting information that others have seen Kortne?
 
Maybe she wore colored contacts sometimes. A lot of women do.
 
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