Pastor - Neil Schori

[mysteriew]

IIRC Stacy and the pastor met in a coffee shop. Very unlikelyit was taped.

 

[Tom'sGirl]

IIRC Stacy and the pastor met in a coffee shop. Very unlikelyit was taped.

I would think it would be illegal to tape to begin with unless the parties involved agreed and signed a waiver.

 

[DeltaDawn]

I would think it would be illegal to tape to begin with unless the parties involved agreed and signed a waiver.

Absolutely TG..

 

[Camper]

Welll, of course most likely IF IF they met in a coffee shop then the supposition would be nil that a tape was used.

A person can legally tape a private telephone conversation between just themselves and one other person. IF IF more than two people on the telephone, then you are requred by law to inform them that the call is being taped.

Somewhere is this maze of threads, the masters degree was in 'Counseling'.

IF IF IF he had only a degree in theology, which is religion, the Christian thing to do would have been to advise her to go to law enforcement. The WS posters have stated that IF IF that happened, she most likely would have told him of her suspicion of police corruption and fear etc.

I am convinced that the minister did the right thing, and it will prove valuable imop, for the end result of DP and :behindbar:.

IF IF IF anyone thinks that role playing in learning how to counsel is not done, then I would be surprised. IT would be a great tool in our confused world of nutty people.

A Catholic regularly goes to confession, so a priest often hears things that a normal minister might not be privvy to.

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You were talking about a "tape" being used.

How would Pastor SchorI know beforehand that Stacy would be confessing to anything important enough to have a tape recorder close by to use? Again, I don't think one was used. IMO

I am not puzzled by the fact that he had a Masters Degree, and didn't report to the LE right away about what Stacy told him.

A Master's Degree in Theology (assuming that is what he has), does not tell you what you HAVE to do or NOT have to do, in case a parishioner should confess to being involved in a murder or know that someone committed a murder.

Each religion has their own hierachy (sp?) on where to go in certain circumstances where a confession involves human imperil and/or situations that a crime has been or will be committed.

What Pastor Schori did afterwards with the information he had that day from Stacy, IMO, could be very important in a trial.



How would Pastor Schori know beforehand that is what Stacy would be telling him?? (Meaning, he already had a tape recorder?)

 

[SeriouslySearching]

A pastor wouldn't tape a counseling session, imo. They are there to address issues from a spiritual standpoint and not to fix mental issues in a medical context. They have no need to tape sessions which psychologists do for various reasons...one being to cover their *advertiser censored* in the event of a lawsuit based on their professional skills.

 

[Camper]

A pastor wouldn't tape a counseling session, imo. They are there to address issues from a spiritual standpoint and not to fix mental issues in a medical context. They have no need to tape sessions which psychologists do for various reasons...one being to cover their *advertiser censored* in the event of a lawsuit based on their professional skills.

--->>>This pastor had a degree in counseling as well. Murder is one of the ten commandments and not a medical issue. The murdered person is a medical situation in that 'the' victim is dead.

The very word 'counsel' means to give helpful advice on how to solve personal issues confronting the counseled. The minister had to deal with how to help Stacy, and how to keep her from the same fate as wife #3, and WHAT to do about DP.

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[SuziQ]

Can pastors tell your secrets?

STACY PETERSON CASE | Minister's seminary says his actions are example of what not to do (more at link)

http://www.suntimes.com/news/peterson/699065,CST-NWS-pastor16.article

 

[mysteriew]

Notice how the seminary never mentioned mandatory reporting? As in situations in which pastors are required to report to police?

I do somewhat agree about the confidentiality issues. But will excuse the pastor in that he is young and unexperienced. And let's face it, being faced with the likes of the media presence in this situation would be difficult. Also, I think he presumes that Stacy is dead so in his mind, there is less of a breach than a living person.

And the seminary says it is "inappropriate" for the pastor to have met with Stacy in a coffee shop. But I am wondering if maybe that might have been Stacy's idea. I think she had decided to tell him, and by doing it away from his office I think she thought that would make it less "official". As the confession happened outside of a counseling session, I am thinking that the confidentiality clause might be null anyway. I think with priests, if they recieve info during confession they protect that info- but info recieved outside the confessional is fair game isn't it?

 

[robthomaseyes]

It's possible she TOLD the pastor BECAUSE she wanted to have several people who knew what was going on in case she turned up dead. She may have even given him permission to break the confidentiality.

We just don't know. As for whether the pastor was right or wrong, I would think it MORE wrong to just let this guy keep going and maybe wind up killing someone else.

Since we are talking about a Christian pastor, I'm going to wax religious for a moment (this is not necessarily my belief, but what might be going on in his head). On judgment day, what would God see as a bigger sin? Breaching confidentiality or not speaking out against a murderer?

The pastor is between a rock and a hard place.

 

[Camper]

Given todays climate of more and more women going 'missing', bodies washing ashore, and pregnant women becoming a rather large part of this 'statistic', it seems to me that better teaching techniques should be incorporated to protect women in general.

Will be interesting to see just 'what all' evolves from this particular 'chapter' of confession by a woman who ends up 'missing'. Will her family fault the minister for NOT escorting Stacy to the Illinois State Police, OR to the States Attorney General with this information. Stacy could in fact still be alive IF IF IF a proper action was taken from the 'coffee shop' 'revelation' onward.

It was stated in one of the threads that Schori OFTEN met with people of his church at 'a' coffee shop that was walking distance from his church.
WE donut know which coffee shop they met in, the one close to his church or one elsewhere.

I also found a link this morning about a law being passed that would allow men of the cloth to be 'required' to report crimes of a capitol nature discovered in confession.

This is a topic that will be discussed at great length everywhere people are found who can 'speak' to it. Stacy may be dead, and Kathleen, but the subject will not die. What is the right and proper thing to do to preserve the sanctity of life.

'Thou Shalt Not Kill'. How far should a man of the cloth go to preserve life of the living?

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[SuziQ]

In one of the links I posted about Neil Schori's counseling service, it stated he could be found at Carabou Coffee if anyone needed to stop by and speak to him. Did he work there? Does he own the coffee shop? So we know coffee house counseling was routine.

I worry about the cleric that's teaching the ethic classes. He seems to be a little behind the times and not able to see the whole picture here. And not clued in legally as to what confidentiality really means. I think he shouldn't be teaching an ethics class, IMO.

I think part of Neil coming forward was of course what is right regarding Stacy. But part because he wants to make sure nothing happens to him, if you get my drift.

 

[thesleuther]

In one of the links I posted about Neil Schori's counseling service, it stated he could be found at Carabou Coffee if anyone needed to stop by and speak to him. Did he work there? Does he own the coffee shop? So we know coffee house counseling was routine.

I worry about the cleric that's teaching the ethic classes. He seems to be a little behind the times and not able to see the whole picture here. And not clued in legally as to what confidentiality really means. I think he shouldn't be teaching an ethics class, IMO.

I think part of Neil coming forward was of course what is right regarding Stacy. But part because he wants to make sure nothing happens to him, if you get my drift.

I don't know what the guidelines are for this particular pastor. In the Catholic faith, for example, a priest CANNOT violate the confidentiality of the confessional under any circumstances....even if someone confesses murder. I believe that this is what is fueling the debates as to whether this pastor should be coming forth. Now, if things are said in counseling sessions, I'm not sure. Clearly in this particular case, the pastor thinks he is doing the right thing by going public with Stacy's admissions. He would be the only person who could say exactly why he is doing this and what the guidelines are for his office.

In terms of ethics, I don't think we have enough information to determine whether he should be teaching. We just don't know the guidelines here. Any pastors among us who could comment?

 

[mysteriew]

There seems to be discussion about whether the pastor should have immediately reported what he had been told about Kathleen. But Kathleen was already dead, no report would have changed that. Stacy however was alive and endangered. Had a report been made before Stacy was out and safe and if DrewP learned that an investigation had begun, and learned or even suspected that the info came from Stacy then her life would have been in more danger. So basically the pastor was at the point of questioning did he make an immediate report and further put Stacy in danger? Or should he bide his time and wait til Stacy was out and safe? IMO the reason Stacy told the pastor was to explain to him why marital counseling wasn't working and why she was definately going to leave DrewP. The pastor could not make her leave immediately, and he would only have her word that she was leaving shortly.
Therefore to hold off on the report to LE until she was safe would be an option that he probably took. What he didn't take into consideration was DrewP's need for control in all situations and how he wouldn't allow Stacy to leave him, unless he wanted it. That was not the fault of the pastor, that was DrewP's fault.
The way I see it, that pastor was between a rock and a hard place. Make an immediate report and get blamed for endangering Stacy or delaying the report and having something happen to her from an abusive husband and catch the blame for that.

 

[curiositycat]

I did a bit of research on this and in the State of Illinois you have to be state licensed to counsel someone. The state also requires licensed counselors to report a murder or the suspicion of one. This is all accessible through a Google search.
Confession to a priest and counseling with a Pastor are two different things. I really have trouble getting my thoughts around her telling the pastor so others would know if anything happened to her. She had obviously shared it with her sister. I wonder if her conscience was bothering her because she knew this and wondered how God would see her involvement in knowing and not coming forward. I am assuming she cared about God or wouldn't be going to church. Speculation only.

 

[mysteriew]

I don't know what the guidelines are for this particular pastor. In the Catholic faith, for example, a priest CANNOT violate the confidentiality of the confessional under any circumstances....even if someone confesses murder. I believe that this is what is fueling the debates as to whether this pastor should be coming forth. Now, if things are said in counseling sessions, I'm not sure. Clearly in this particular case, the pastor thinks he is doing the right thing by going public with Stacy's admissions. He would be the only person who could say exactly why he is doing this and what the guidelines are for his office.

In terms of ethics, I don't think we have enough information to determine whether he should be teaching. We just don't know the guidelines here. Any pastors among us who could comment?

I think a lot of it is going to come down to the question of whether it is considered counseling or not. Was this a scheduled appt. for Stacy to meet with the pastor for counseling? Or did she just drop in to speak with him, as he made himself available? Was this counseling or friendship?

As a general rule, counselors and therapists are bound by rules of confidentiality that should only be broken if it is necessary to report to LE or with the persons permission. But the informal nature of dropping into the coffee shop to speak with him sort of puts that rule in question. There is also the question- did she give him permission to talk about what she had told him if she went missing? Remember that was something that she had made Cass promise- that if she went missing, Cass was to look for her. So she talked about that with Cass, maybe there were also arrangements with the pastor.

 

[mysteriew]

I did a bit of research on this and in the State of Illinois you have to be state licensed to counsel someone. The state also requires licensed counselors to report a murder or the suspicion of one. This is all accessible through a Google search.
Confession to a priest and counseling with a Pastor are two different things. I really have trouble getting my thoughts around her telling the pastor so others would know if anything happened to her. She had obviously shared it with her sister. I wonder if her conscience was bothering her because she knew this and wondered how God would see her involvement in knowing and not coming forward. I am assuming she cared about God or wouldn't be going to church. Speculation only.

Did she tell Cass about Kathleen? I haven't seen any in the family admit that she had told them. I did see where Pam had questions about Kathleen's death, but it seemed more from her own thoughts, not from what
Stacy may have said.

 

[curiositycat]

I think a lot of it is going to come down to the question of whether it is considered counseling or not. Was this a scheduled appt. for Stacy to meet with the pastor for counseling? Or did she just drop in to speak with him, as he made himself available? Was this counseling or friendship?

As a general rule, counselors and therapists are bound by rules of confidentiality that should only be broken if it is necessary to report to LE or with the persons permission. But the informal nature of dropping into the coffee shop to speak with him sort of puts that rule in question. There is also the question- did she give him permission to talk about what she had told him if she went missing? Remember that was something that she had made Cass promise- that if she went missing, Cass was to look for her. So she talked about that with Cass, maybe there were also arrangements with the pastor.

You are exactly right. Counseling with someone and just meeting with them on a casual basis are two different things.
It sounds like, to me, he went to the coffee shop and folks dropped in and he briefly spoke with them and THEN if they desired or he suggested counseling it would occur in his office.

 

[curiositycat]

Did she tell Cass about Kathleen? I haven't seen any in the family admit that she had told them. I did see where Pam had questions about Kathleen's death, but it seemed more from her own thoughts, not from what
Stacy may have said.

Cass was the last person she talked to. She and Cass were close. Very Close. I said it was speculation. BUT....... I have two close friends that know EVERYTHING about me, EVERYTHING. Most people do have family or friends that they have a closer relationship with. I think that Cass would have known. She had to know that DP was married when he met Stacy. The pastor said on GVS that people were "speculating" about the death of KS. One day Kathy is alive the next day she isn't. I would bet my girl scout knife that Stacy and Cass discussed this.

 

[cricket]

Did she tell Cass about Kathleen? I haven't seen any in the family admit that she had told them. I did see where Pam had questions about Kathleen's death, but it seemed more from her own thoughts, not from what Stacy may have said.

We don't know if she told Cassandra or not - and we may not know that for a long time. Stacy's family has said that LE has asked them to not to mention certain things to the media. Her family seems to be good about protecting the integrity of the investigation; I am sure they want justice.

 

[curiositycat]

We don't know if she told Cassandra or not - and we may not know that for a long time. Stacy's family has said that LE has asked them to not to mention certain things to the media. Her family seems to be good about protecting the integrity of the investigation; I am sure they want justice.

When the pastor said on GVS that their were others who knew "things" and needed to come forward, I wondered if he meant Cass.