I would think it would be illegal to tape to begin with unless the parties involved agreed and signed a waiver.IIRC Stacy and the pastor met in a coffee shop. Very unlikelyit was taped.
Absolutely TG..I would think it would be illegal to tape to begin with unless the parties involved agreed and signed a waiver.
You were talking about a "tape" being used.
How would Pastor SchorI know beforehand that Stacy would be confessing to anything important enough to have a tape recorder close by to use? Again, I don't think one was used. IMO
I am not puzzled by the fact that he had a Masters Degree, and didn't report to the LE right away about what Stacy told him.
A Master's Degree in Theology (assuming that is what he has), does not tell you what you HAVE to do or NOT have to do, in case a parishioner should confess to being involved in a murder or know that someone committed a murder.
Each religion has their own hierachy (sp?) on where to go in certain circumstances where a confession involves human imperil and/or situations that a crime has been or will be committed.
What Pastor Schori did afterwards with the information he had that day from Stacy, IMO, could be very important in a trial.
How would Pastor Schori know beforehand that is what Stacy would be telling him?? (Meaning, he already had a tape recorder?)
A pastor wouldn't tape a counseling session, imo. They are there to address issues from a spiritual standpoint and not to fix mental issues in a medical context. They have no need to tape sessions which psychologists do for various reasons...one being to cover their *advertiser censored* in the event of a lawsuit based on their professional skills.
In one of the links I posted about Neil Schori's counseling service, it stated he could be found at Carabou Coffee if anyone needed to stop by and speak to him. Did he work there? Does he own the coffee shop? So we know coffee house counseling was routine.
I worry about the cleric that's teaching the ethic classes. He seems to be a little behind the times and not able to see the whole picture here. And not clued in legally as to what confidentiality really means. I think he shouldn't be teaching an ethics class, IMO.
I think part of Neil coming forward was of course what is right regarding Stacy. But part because he wants to make sure nothing happens to him, if you get my drift.
I don't know what the guidelines are for this particular pastor. In the Catholic faith, for example, a priest CANNOT violate the confidentiality of the confessional under any circumstances....even if someone confesses murder. I believe that this is what is fueling the debates as to whether this pastor should be coming forth. Now, if things are said in counseling sessions, I'm not sure. Clearly in this particular case, the pastor thinks he is doing the right thing by going public with Stacy's admissions. He would be the only person who could say exactly why he is doing this and what the guidelines are for his office.
In terms of ethics, I don't think we have enough information to determine whether he should be teaching. We just don't know the guidelines here. Any pastors among us who could comment?
I did a bit of research on this and in the State of Illinois you have to be state licensed to counsel someone. The state also requires licensed counselors to report a murder or the suspicion of one. This is all accessible through a Google search.
Confession to a priest and counseling with a Pastor are two different things. I really have trouble getting my thoughts around her telling the pastor so others would know if anything happened to her. She had obviously shared it with her sister. I wonder if her conscience was bothering her because she knew this and wondered how God would see her involvement in knowing and not coming forward. I am assuming she cared about God or wouldn't be going to church. Speculation only.
I think a lot of it is going to come down to the question of whether it is considered counseling or not. Was this a scheduled appt. for Stacy to meet with the pastor for counseling? Or did she just drop in to speak with him, as he made himself available? Was this counseling or friendship?
As a general rule, counselors and therapists are bound by rules of confidentiality that should only be broken if it is necessary to report to LE or with the persons permission. But the informal nature of dropping into the coffee shop to speak with him sort of puts that rule in question. There is also the question- did she give him permission to talk about what she had told him if she went missing? Remember that was something that she had made Cass promise- that if she went missing, Cass was to look for her. So she talked about that with Cass, maybe there were also arrangements with the pastor.
Did she tell Cass about Kathleen? I haven't seen any in the family admit that she had told them. I did see where Pam had questions about Kathleen's death, but it seemed more from her own thoughts, not from what
Stacy may have said.
Did she tell Cass about Kathleen? I haven't seen any in the family admit that she had told them. I did see where Pam had questions about Kathleen's death, but it seemed more from her own thoughts, not from what Stacy may have said.
We don't know if she told Cassandra or not - and we may not know that for a long time. Stacy's family has said that LE has asked them to not to mention certain things to the media. Her family seems to be good about protecting the integrity of the investigation; I am sure they want justice.