Pastor of mega church says wife has gone away for 1 year...

[killarney rose]

Rahab was a good girl.

She ends up married and becomes part of the blood line of Jesus.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Joshua 2 &version=HCSB

Birthline

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew 1&version=HCSB

I know she was a girl . That was tongue in cheek. As far as I'm concerned, she was one of the good guys as opposed to Jezebel.

Yes, now I remember her being part of the bloodline.

 

[i.b.nora]

Is the 186,000 tax lien from the link I posted above? There is a LOT on the links I posted above but I cannot figure out what it means.

Has anyone been able to figure out just how many properties Ron/Hope, their "non-profits/charities and other businesses own?

I am having a hard time getting the site to work for me. Apparently I am doing something wrong.

 

[prima.facie]

Fallen Charismatic leaders always say .... "the devil made me do it"

or .... "Jezebel is to blame"

I find this very peculiar , because the Pentecostal - Charismatic makes the claim to have indwelling in them "More Holy Spirit" than the "Average Christian".

Yet they tend to have the most scandals. Something does not add up here.

I have spent time in Pentecostal circles and have seen it first hand. I am not trying to be critical of the denomination , it is simply an observation I have made.

My conclusion is that the majority of Charismatics confuse emotion with Spirit ..... when they feel "emotionally great" they think it is a "Spiritual filling"

Watch closely next time and you will see the Charismatic church service is all about setting the stage to get everybody on an emotional high .... it is manifested in swaying around , waving arms in the air , rolling on the carpet , swinging on the chandelier , expressions of love and joy , and praise and singing.

But these wonderful things belong in the category of emotionalism .

When The Holy Spirit prompts the Christian to do something it is often not much fun at the time , it is a burden and a duty and it can be difficult , when we look back we can see the hand of the miraculous set it all up , that is the real thing . That is The Holy Spirit in action.

We should be wise and differentiate between the two.

Best wishes to all

I am a Charismatic
But I keep it at an arms length
And I find my arm grows longer every year.

And when I do things wrong , I blame it on myself and my sinful nature , not the Devil or his handmaiden Jezebel .

there is a simple explanation, er excuse, in that world. I have heard this saying a zillion times.........

"the closer you get to God....the more God wants to use you...the harder satan will attack you and bring you down..."

so of course all of those high and mighty unbelievably righteous men (and women) of god or apostles or what ever you want to call them that are more important than us mere mortals are subject to falling hard....


that is if you believe that. lol

 

[Arnie M]

Well Jezebel is to blame but because the men let her..

The problem is that this is just a bad guy who happens to be a preacher. HE should not be one now. HE should be getting his own house in order. His actions show hautiness and ego, not humbleness and contrition.

The problem is that preachers are just human. Nothing more. Not special or holier just human. But they are suppose to be leading by example. Someone for their flock to look up to.

His actions are to be judged. His heart is revealed by the fruit he shows.

This has less to do about God and more to do about HIM and his agenda.

You nailed it.
Thank you.

 

[Tulessa]

I thought there were some similarities when I mentioned Shelly Miscavage early on when Hope mysteriously disappeared. At least Shelly's friend filed a missing persons report on her.

Why hasn't Hope's illustrious husband assured everyone that she is okay and allowed her to speak out on her situation? Surely Hope is well enough to be able to speak up and assure her followers she is fine and indeed there of her own free will.

This whole thing is ridiculous, IMO. Either Hope is in on it or she is being brainwashed, IMO. Do they actually think we are stupid enough to believe she really needs year long therapy? Again; something really stinks here and in Shelly Miscavage's case also.

:moo:

Someone posted on his FB page that she would love to send Hope a care package! I wondered which WS member it was!:loveyou:

 

[txsvicki]

The Bible simply says resist the devil and he will flee and to use the armour of truth and the word, which is our Bible and Jesus the word. Something like that regarding temptations. Something's not right when they focus more on resisting and fighting Satan than on Jesus. If God wants something done it will get done as far as churches and and countries.

 

[Geneva]

The link I posted to the blog about Hope is still there! I posted it on Nov. 2

 

[SwampMama]

I am having a hard time getting the site to work for me. Apparently I am doing something wrong.

This is the home page for that site: http://rod.greenvillecounty.org/

The Pre-1985 section provides access to all index books, deeds, plats, and land grants. Some mortgages are also available (more will be added in the future). Please see our Tutorial for more detailed information on how to search.
http://www.greenvillecounty.org/apps/DirectoryListings/ROD_DirectoryListing/



Search Records After 1985. http://rod.greenvillecounty.org/
Alert: Some browsers do not display the search results correctly. Please see this list of compatible browsers before using our search tool.
The After-1985 section provides access to all recorded documents including deeds, plats, mortgages, powers of attorney, and liens.***
Please see our Tutorial for more detailed information on how to search.


***Exception: SC tax liens prior to 2000 are available at the Clerk of Court.
http://www.greenvillecounty.org/Clerk_Of_Court/


There is a note on the page saying that some browsers do not work well with the site. Perhaps that is the problem.

I hope this helps

 

[SwampMama]

Hope was slated as a keynote speaker at the upcoming Sparkle conference this weekend in Kissimmee FL --- however as per the Sparkle fb page --- due to the unexpected events that have transpired with Pastor Hope Carpenter, there's been a replacement.

https://www.facebook.com/events/553050498090499/?ref=22

Oh to be a fly on the wall at Silver Spurs.

:scared:

Don't know if the flyer that attraversiamo posted will show up but I noticed one thing about it. Hope is listed as "Pastor Hope Carpenter, Redemption Church, SC" but there is a woman listed as "Prophetess Margie Sotero, Redemption Church SC".

I haven't hear her name before in reference to RWOC (or anywhere else for that matter) and she is listed as a "prophetess". I can't even find much about her on the web.

I'm not a fan of pastors dubbing themselves as prophets, apostles, etc. But I find it interesting that Hope is listed as a pastor and this Margie person is listed as a prophetess.

 

[killarney rose]

I have a question in to my dear friend, who is a licensed minister and a charismatic, on the difference in a prophetess and apostle. I also asked her if she has ever heard of Ron or hope. Sent it via FB so it might be a day or so before she gets back to me. She is not into this prosperity gospel. She and her husband run a homeless ministry.

 

[tarabull]

Don't know if the flyer that attraversiamo posted will show up but I noticed one thing about it. Hope is listed as "Pastor Hope Carpenter, Redemption Church, SC" but there is a woman listed as "Prophetess Margie Sotero, Redemption Church SC".

I haven't hear her name before in reference to RWOC (or anywhere else for that matter) and she is listed as a "prophetess". I can't even find much about her on the web.

I'm not a fan of pastors dubbing themselves as prophets, apostles, etc. But I find it interesting that Hope is listed as a pastor and this Margie person is listed as a prophetess.

Nice catch SM!

I've been trying to following along on this one but cannot keep up.

So is this her other half?

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=vb.415180795207642&type=2

Look for her with surname Noreiga?

Eta: mods please remove link If against tos.

 

[killarney rose]

This is what my friend sent to me



. A prophetess is usually a lady who operates in godly wisdom and will pray or speak or give godly advise to someone. It should be that of the bible. She should have spiritual insight. There are some weirdoes tho, so be careful. An Apostle is a teacher or advisor for a Pastor who is developing a new Church. They function much like Paul did in the book of Acts. They help Pastors to put the Church on tract and to function scripturally. I'm not sure about the Carpenters. Tell me


So shes not heard of Ron or hope. I told her a bit about them and of her disappearance. And sent a link of Ron's sermon about hope. I'm interested in her take on them.

 

[i.b.nora]

The Sparkle event is tomorrow:

http://zradio.org/events/sparkle-distinguish-yourself-2/

And, yes Margie and Julio are a couple and have a few associations, one of which says that Julio is the Hispanic Ministries Pastor at Redemption World Outreach Center.

ETA: Actually, I guess the Sparkle event was yesterday and today and tomorrow. So, where's Hope?

 

[prima.facie]

Don't know if the flyer that attraversiamo posted will show up but I noticed one thing about it. Hope is listed as "Pastor Hope Carpenter, Redemption Church, SC" but there is a woman listed as "Prophetess Margie Sotero, Redemption Church SC".

I haven't hear her name before in reference to RWOC (or anywhere else for that matter) and she is listed as a "prophetess". I can't even find much about her on the web.

I'm not a fan of pastors dubbing themselves as prophets, apostles, etc. But I find it interesting that Hope is listed as a pastor and this Margie person is listed as a prophetess.

prophetess. lol mmmkay.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Nice catch SM!

I've been trying to following along on this one but cannot keep up.

So is this her other half?

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=vb.415180795207642&type=2

Look for her with surname Noreiga?

Eta: mods please remove link If against tos.

You guys are good!

And...I am still waiting to,hear about the financial situation of Ron and Hope...

:thumb:

 

[TravelingBug]

I have never seen a conference as thrown together last minute as that silly SPARKLE thing is...anyone seems to be able to decide to be a 'vendor' and decide even in the days and weeks right before. Normal conferences are not all haphazard as that seems to be...

Strange circle these people run in. Just reading that SPARKLE FB page made me grimace.

 

[i.b.nora]

Okay, so Julio Sotero and his wife Margie from Greenville, SC are friends with Gerson Ruben Tirado Cruz and his wife Jacqueline who run the sparkle church in Kissammee.

 

[panthera]

The Televangelist Hall of Shame

Take not of all of the names here and notice not a single one was isolated for a year, completely removed from the church and not restored.

http://home.earthlink.net/~19ranger57/halosham.htm

Pretty darn interesting article entitled "Why Megachurch Pastors Keep Falling Into Sexual Immorality ". The article says that one of the main causes is the "The spirit of Jezebel is often behind this immoral trend, tapping into the lust of the flesh with its seductive agenda....

Jezebel is essentially a spirit of seduction that woos people into sexual immorality and idolatry. Jezebel comes to kill, steal and destroy by tempting you and then escorting you, willingly, into immorality and idolatry. Revelation 2:20 clearly reveals what the spirit of Jezebel is and its sinister motives........

Sadly, the spirit of Jezebel is picking off pastors one by one as they succumb to the evil desires in their own hearts. Too few recognize the sinister workings of Jezebel's covert seduction. They’ve bought into what I call the “Jezebel deception” and are either tolerating sexual immorality in the church or merely failing to recognize the true Jezebel in operation because they are on a witch hunt for controlling, manipulative women.

http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/39397-why-megachurch-pastors-keep-falling-into-sexual-immorality

So there you have it folks, it is the Jezebel spirit that causes these Godly men to go astray.

There always has to be some phenomenon, a label, an excuse...

Whatever happened to taking personal responsibility for one's actions???

:waitasec:

MOO

 

[SweetT]

Jezebel spirit is that like being possessed? Maybe they need an exorcism lol!

 

[prima.facie]

Jezebel spirit is that like being possessed? Maybe they need an exorcism lol!

naaaawwww...just send in a few bucks...$$ is the cure to all.