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killarney rose said:
These conferences. I've attended Women of Faith twice. After the second time I said never again because it was to me more about selling than anything else even though I did enjoy several of the speakers.

From I saw of Sparkle on the facebook page, it was what I experienced x10+. They remind me of the money changers in the temple.
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BBM.

Bam! Well said.
 
attraversiamo said:
How Pastors Get Rich
http://www.cultwatch.com/howpastorsgetrich.html
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WOW!! Thanks for such a great link! Very enlightening, indeed! Excellent Article and I encourage everyone to read it. Here are some of the points in it that really caught me attention,

The book covers such topics as:

The Multilevel Marketing Pattern:

"This same pattern is practiced by some Christian leaders and their churches. The dream is the prosperity gospel. Their captive market is their congregation. The products are books, tapes, DVDs, and conferences, spiritual rewards and prosperity. They say donate money whenever we tell you to donate, and then God will pour riches into your life.” They tell us that they became successful by following this dream, but in reality they became rich by sucking money out of those caught up in this scheme"


Books, DVDs, Pastor Owned Businesses that Feed Off the Flock:

"Jesus he found men selling cattle, sheep and doves, exchanging money. He drove all from the temple areas and said, “Get these out of here! How dare you turn my Father’s house into a market!” -John 2:13-16
The first product is the leader’s book (often ghostwritten and fraudulently claimed to be authored by the leader). Let’s be honest, many of these books are below par. These books would tank on Amazon or in a real bookstore, but hyped to their captive market they sell like hot cakes".


Their Fabricated Tithing Doctrine

Hyped Conferences, The Christian Speaking Circuit

The Honor the Pastor Scam, High Pressure Offerings

Cathedral Building Wars, Siphoning Cash into Property

Excessive Wages, Perks, Nepotism
"No honest pastor would have a problem with his congregation knowing how much their church pays him, Openness regarding the pastor’s stipend has been a practice of the Christian church for hundreds of years, Only those pastors who have an excessive wage would be reluctant to let the amount become public knowledge.

If your pastor refuses to be open about his wage then be very suspicious. It is likely he knows that the amount would be considered excessive

Be even more suspicious whenever you hear a pastor’s wage being justified by comparing him to a CEO. If you hear this CEO nonsense then you can instantly know two things: first, the pastor’s wage is massive; second, you are being scammed. A pastor is not a CEO no matter how big his church empire is; a CEO runs a for monetary-profit organization, a pastors serves the people of God – they are not the same thing.

By the way, if the pastor claims to be a CEO, then you must be a shareholder. Shareholders have full rights to the accounts, including how much their “CEO” is earning.

Their Fabricated Tithing Doctrine
 
Thanks again for the comments & references here.

Just thinking out loud.... someone could use the collective knowledge to write an interesting book. ( A certain PK &/or retired teacher interested?)
 
This case has aspects that are similar to the Scientology case where Shelly Miscavage, wife of Scientology leader David Miscavage. Shelly's location has been shrouded in mystery for the last seven years.

Here is a Daily Mail article that claims to know where she is hidden away at. Pretty interesting.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Scientology-base-Shelly-Miscavage-lives.html

ETA. SeekingJana beat me to it!! I see that she already posted this :)
 
SwampMama said:
This case has aspects that are similar to the Scientology case where Shelly Miscavage, wife of Scientology leader David Miscavage. Shelly's location has been shrouded in mystery for the last seven years.

Here is a Daily Mail article that claims to know where she is hidden away at. Pretty interesting.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Scientology-base-Shelly-Miscavage-lives.html

ETA. SeekingJana beat me to it!! I see that she already posted this :)
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I thought there were some similarities when I mentioned Shelly Miscavage early on when Hope mysteriously disappeared. At least Shelly's friend filed a missing persons report on her.

Why hasn't Hope's illustrious husband assured everyone that she is okay and allowed her to speak out on her situation? Surely Hope is well enough to be able to speak up and assure her followers she is fine and indeed there of her own free will.

This whole thing is ridiculous, IMO. Either Hope is in on it or she is being brainwashed, IMO. Do they actually think we are stupid enough to believe she really needs year long therapy? Again; something really stinks here and in Shelly Miscavage's case also.

:moo:
 
The Televangelist Hall of Shame

Take not of all of the names here and notice not a single one was isolated for a year, completely removed from the church and not restored.

http://home.earthlink.net/~19ranger57/halosham.htm

Pretty darn interesting article entitled "Why Megachurch Pastors Keep Falling Into Sexual Immorality ". The article says that one of the main causes is the "The spirit of Jezebel is often behind this immoral trend, tapping into the lust of the flesh with its seductive agenda....

Jezebel is essentially a spirit of seduction that woos people into sexual immorality and idolatry. Jezebel comes to kill, steal and destroy by tempting you and then escorting you, willingly, into immorality and idolatry. Revelation 2:20 clearly reveals what the spirit of Jezebel is and its sinister motives........

Sadly, the spirit of Jezebel is picking off pastors one by one as they succumb to the evil desires in their own hearts. Too few recognize the sinister workings of Jezebel's covert seduction. They’ve bought into what I call the “Jezebel deception” and are either tolerating sexual immorality in the church or merely failing to recognize the true Jezebel in operation because they are on a witch hunt for controlling, manipulative women.

http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/39397-why-megachurch-pastors-keep-falling-into-sexual-immorality

So there you have it folks, it is the Jezebel spirit that causes these Godly men to go astray.
 
SwampMama said:
The Televangelist Hall of Shame

Take not of all of the names here and notice not a single one was isolated for a year, completely removed from the church and not restored.

http://home.earthlink.net/~19ranger57/halosham.htm

Pretty darn interesting article entitled "Why Megachurch Pastors Keep Falling Into Sexual Immorality ". The article says that one of the main causes is the "The spirit of Jezebel is often behind this immoral trend, tapping into the lust of the flesh with its seductive agenda....

Jezebel is essentially a spirit of seduction that woos people into sexual immorality and idolatry. Jezebel comes to kill, steal and destroy by tempting you and then escorting you, willingly, into immorality and idolatry. Revelation 2:20 clearly reveals what the spirit of Jezebel is and its sinister motives........

Sadly, the spirit of Jezebel is picking off pastors one by one as they succumb to the evil desires in their own hearts. Too few recognize the sinister workings of Jezebel's covert seduction. They’ve bought into what I call the “Jezebel deception” and are either tolerating sexual immorality in the church or merely failing to recognize the true Jezebel in operation because they are on a witch hunt for controlling, manipulative women.

http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/39397-why-megachurch-pastors-keep-falling-into-sexual-immorality

So there you have it folks, it is the Jezebel spirit that causes these Godly men to go astray.
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So THATS what they're calling it these days.....:floorlaugh:
 
Hah, the article could also describe the relationship between mega church leaders (Jezebel) and the money giving congregation (Ahab).
 
Ok, I admit i am clueless when it comes to property records, leins, tax issues, etc. But I found this page and it has a lot of info with Ron's name on it. Can anyone explain to me what is going on here. http://rod.greenvillecounty.org/RealEstate/SearchResults.aspx

There seems to be 40 records that pertain to him (6 others are for a Ronald E Carpenter) whereas Ron is Ronald W (Wayne) Carpenter.

Can anyone help me please understand what is going on here?

This is the Greenville County Register of Deeds - Search Public Records

http://www.greenvillecounty.org/rod/searchrecords.asp
 
Fallen Charismatic leaders always say .... "the devil made me do it"

or .... "Jezebel is to blame"

I find this very peculiar , because the Pentecostal - Charismatic makes the claim to have indwelling in them "More Holy Spirit" than the "Average Christian".

Yet they tend to have the most scandals. Something does not add up here.

I have spent time in Pentecostal circles and have seen it first hand. I am not trying to be critical of the denomination , it is simply an observation I have made.

My conclusion is that the majority of Charismatics confuse emotion with Spirit ..... when they feel "emotionally great" they think it is a "Spiritual filling"

Watch closely next time and you will see the Charismatic church service is all about setting the stage to get everybody on an emotional high .... it is manifested in swaying around , waving arms in the air , rolling on the carpet , swinging on the chandelier , expressions of love and joy , and praise and singing.

But these wonderful things belong in the category of emotionalism .

When The Holy Spirit prompts the Christian to do something it is often not much fun at the time , it is a burden and a duty and it can be difficult , when we look back we can see the hand of the miraculous set it all up , that is the real thing . That is The Holy Spirit in action.

We should be wise and differentiate between the two.

Best wishes to all

I am a Charismatic
But I keep it at an arms length
And I find my arm grows longer every year.

And when I do things wrong , I blame it on myself and my sinful nature , not the Devil or his handmaiden Jezebel .
 
gitana1 said:
Has anyone heard from her so far? Have the police looked into this to make sure she's safe?
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I can't get a response from anyone via e-mail from their local sheriff's department and my life has proven unbelievably crazy in a horrible way lately so I haven't tried to reach anyone by phone as I had planned.

I am truly sorry, Hope, you DO matter to me and I do care and I am genuinely concerned, I also believe if I can reach someone I can communicate sound reasons to be concerned.
 
By the looks county record - he has gotten himself and Hope in some real estate and Federal Tax Lien messes over the years....the most recent said $ 186,000 Tax Lien...oh my.
 
I need to read the old testament again because of thinking that Jezebel was the wife of an Israelite who'd wait til the husband left town and cheated. Maybe that was Rahab. I also thought it was talking in a message to a curch in the book of revelation about allowing Heathen to bring sexual heathen temple acts into the Church or allowing members who were still doing that. Nowadays, that could apply to church leaders who know that other leaders or prominent members are doing it and allow it, or cover it up. The men get accused and all is fine. Hope gets accused and she is gone.
 
txsvicki said:
I need to read the old testament again because of thinking that Jezebel was the wife of an Israelite who'd wait til the husband left town and cheated. Maybe that was Rahab. I also thought it was talking in a message to a curch in the book of revelation about allowing Heathen to bring sexual heathen temple acts into the Church or allowing members who were still doing that. Nowadays, that could apply to church leaders who know that other leaders or prominent members are doing it and allow it, or cover it up. The men get accused and all is fine. Hope gets accused and she is gone.
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It wasnt Rahab. She was a prostitute to lived in the walls of ....? Who protected the Israeli spies led by Joshua who were sent out to spy the promised land. Sorry, that's as good as I can do w/o having my Bible to look it up. Rahab was a good guy.
 
killarney rose said:
It wasnt Rahab. She was a prostitute to lived in the walls of ....? Who protected the Israeli spies led by Joshua who were sent out to spy the promised land. Sorry, that's as good as I can do w/o having my Bible to look it up. Rahab was a good guy.
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Rahab was a good girl. :)

She ends up married and becomes part of the blood line of Jesus.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Joshua 2 &version=HCSB

Birthline

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew 1&version=HCSB
 
Arnie M said:
Fallen Charismatic leaders always say .... "the devil made me do it"

or .... "Jezebel is to blame"

I find this very peculiar , because the Pentecostal - Charismatic makes the claim to have indwelling in them "More Holy Spirit" than the "Average Christian".

Yet they tend to have the most scandals. Something does not add up here.

I have spent time in Pentecostal circles and have seen it first hand. I am not trying to be critical of the denomination , it is simply an observation I have made.

My conclusion is that the majority of Charismatics confuse emotion with Spirit ..... when they feel "emotionally great" they think it is a "Spiritual filling"

Watch closely next time and you will see the Charismatic church service is all about setting the stage to get everybody on an emotional high .... it is manifested in swaying around , waving arms in the air , rolling on the carpet , swinging on the chandelier , expressions of love and joy , and praise and singing.

But these wonderful things belong in the category of emotionalism .

When The Holy Spirit prompts the Christian to do something it is often not much fun at the time , it is a burden and a duty and it can be difficult , when we look back we can see the hand of the miraculous set it all up , that is the real thing . That is The Holy Spirit in action.

We should be wise and differentiate between the two.

Best wishes to all

I am a Charismatic
But I keep it at an arms length
And I find my arm grows longer every year.

And when I do things wrong , I blame it on myself and my sinful nature , not the Devil or his handmaiden Jezebel .
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Well Jezebel is to blame but because the men let her.. :)

The problem is that this is just a bad guy who happens to be a preacher. HE should not be one now. HE should be getting his own house in order. His actions show hautiness and ego, not humbleness and contrition.

The problem is that preachers are just human. Nothing more. Not special or holier just human. But they are suppose to be leading by example. Someone for their flock to look up to.

His actions are to be judged. His heart is revealed by the fruit he shows.

This has less to do about God and more to do about HIM and his agenda.
 
SwampMama said:
Ok, I admit i am clueless when it comes to property records, leins, tax issues, etc. But I found this page and it has a lot of info with Ron's name on it. Can anyone explain to me what is going on here. http://rod.greenvillecounty.org/RealEstate/SearchResults.aspx

There seems to be 40 records that pertain to him (6 others are for a Ronald E Carpenter) whereas Ron is Ronald W (Wayne) Carpenter.

Can anyone help me please understand what is going on here?

This is the Greenville County Register of Deeds - Search Public Records

http://www.greenvillecounty.org/rod/searchrecords.asp
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icefun said:
By the looks county record - he has gotten himself and Hope in some real estate and Federal Tax Lien messes over the years....the most recent said $ 186,000 Tax Lien...oh my.
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Is the 186,000 tax lien from the link I posted above? There is a LOT on the links I posted above but I cannot figure out what it means.

Has anyone been able to figure out just how many properties Ron/Hope, their "non-profits/charities and other businesses own?
 
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