Penn State's athletic director plus ex-Paterno assistant charged in child sex case

[belimom]

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The "riot". Yes. Out of the thousands of students that were peacefully demonstrating their anger that Paterno was not permitted to coach the last home game of his career, a handfull students got out of control. What you probably didn't see on ESPN the next day was students that weren't involved in causing the damage on the streets cleaning up the mess that those few students had made the night before.

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Thank you for clarifying. I can totally see that happening in the media. We lived in Egypt leading up to (and during) 9/11. CNN kept airing riots on the streets and family/friends from the US contacted us, worried about our safety. What they didn't know is that CNN was airing the same two clips over and over - of a small section of one block in Cairo. We didn't even know it was happening until we saw it on CNN ourselves.

So I'm glad to hear the truth about what is happening in State College.

 

[cluciano63]

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McQueary, who testified that he saw Sandusky sodomizing a boy in the shower,

~snip~

According to the grand jury report, McQueary told Paterno what he saw Sandusky doing the next day

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http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/psu-mcqueary-coach-saturday-due-threats-14930217

This was a 10 year old child and McQueary looked the other way while Sandusky raped him and waited until the next day to tell Paterno.

McQueary should be fired immediately. moo

My husband said he has wondered for years why McQueary managed to keep his job...perhaps now we know...

 

[Murdock]

One word....Greed. Greed for power, greed for money, greed for recognition brought on by the success of the football team. Mustn't do anything to jeopardize the success of the team. :furious:


Even know how many articles have you read that are strictly about the crimes that were committed against these children and that don't some where in the story give some recognition to the success of the football program at the school?


http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsport...duskys-charges-could-extend-to-texas/related/


What in the world does that have to do with the story and why did they feel the need to put it in there?

BBM

The success of the football team is a part of the story. It's why these coaches were seen as heros by the community, and why school officials were so quick to turn the other way rather than tarnish the reputation of the football program, which is a huge moneymaker for the college. To leave out the success of Penn State football would be painting an incomplete picture of what happened. IMHO

 

[Stella5]

I believe McQueary was concerned about one thing --- that he didn't do anything to ruin his career path with one of the most prestigious college football teams/coach.

Sick.

I've been saying that for days to my PSU alum friends... it doesn't take much to connect the dots and figure out exactly how he got the coaching job he has. The very person that saw the rape of the boy ends up as an assistant coach? To me that screams hush-money, pay-off to keep quiet!

 

[wfgodot]

Interesting and extremely vitriolic Buzz Bissinger column from The Daily Beast:

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What happened goes to the core of evil that major college sports programs in this country have become, equivalent to Mafia families in which the code of omertà rules.
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more here: Good Riddance, Joe Paterno

 

[MagnoliaMom]

I'm am a local to State College, PA and a PSU grad. I've seen this unfold right in front of my eyes and I'd like to add my two cents.

I haven't been posting in the past two days because I've been too busy organizing charity benefits to take place during this weekends final home football game. Firstly, after days of being ingored by the university administration I was unable to get permission for the child abuse prevention charities I have been working with to collect donations at this saturday's final home game. However, a group of us local musicians have a new plan in force.

This evening in State College: The First Annual Night of Giving. The local music community: my band, my husbands band and literally EVERY band playing tonight and all local bar establishments will be donating their earnings to support child abuse victims and for prevention and awareness. Please see our FB page and share if you would like.

https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=302876676407779

Now, everyone is entitled to their own opinion about the way this whole situation unfolded. But please keep in mind that ONE man has brought down an entire institution by his actions. And by institution I mean the administration, employees, current students, alumni, an entire community...literaly an uncountable amount of people. Not to mention the legacy that is Penn State. Too much focus of this has been on the football. Penn State is more than just an athletic program. It's the lifeline of the community I live in and we're all suffering.

The main stream media is rediculous. According to the New York Times, UPenn has lost their coach. Talk about insulting. If we're going to get bashed by the media, they can at least get the University correct. Please don't get your information from ESPN, Fox Sports , TMZ or the Huffington Post. You want to know the NEWS about events as they unfold? Visit our local media sites. Centre Daily Times, State College.com, Onward State. Those are the best sources. Or ask me. Most of us locals know what's going on before it even hits the media.

Speaking of which...no. McQeary will not have any involvement in coaching this saturday. He won't even be at the stadium.

There is NO wearing white in support of Paterno this saturday. It's a BLUE OUT and it's for both PSU and Nebraska fans in support of aboloshing child abuse. T-shirts and ribbons are available all over town.

The "riot". Yes. Out of the thousands of students that were peacefully demonstrating their anger that Paterno was not permitted to coach the last home game of his career, a handfull students got out of control. What you probably didn't see on ESPN the next day was students that weren't involved in causing the damage on the streets cleaning up the mess that those few students had made the night before.

It seems that people are forgetting the most important factor in the whole situation...and that's the Sandusky victims. How about a little less focus on all the politics, football program and bashing my Alma Mater and hometown in general and more on supporting them?

BBM It was more than one man involved.

I haven't seen anyone here forgetting the victims.

I do hope it is a total Blue Out! That would speak volumes. What would speak more is apologies from the people who turned their heads. I don't expect to see them. They are still covering.

JMO

 

[Steely Dan]

I'm am a local to State College, PA and a PSU grad. I've seen this unfold right in front of my eyes and I'd like to add my two cents.

I haven't been posting in the past two days because I've been too busy organizing charity benefits to take place during this weekends final home football game. Firstly, after days of being ingored by the university administration I was unable to get permission for the child abuse prevention charities I have been working with to collect donations at this saturday's final home game. However, a group of us local musicians have a new plan in force.

This evening in State College: The First Annual Night of Giving. The local music community: my band, my husbands band and literally EVERY band playing tonight and all local bar establishments will be donating their earnings to support child abuse victims and for prevention and awareness. Please see our FB page and share if you would like.

https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=302876676407779

Now, everyone is entitled to their own opinion about the way this whole situation unfolded. But please keep in mind that ONE man has brought down an entire institution by his actions. And by institution I mean the administration, employees, current students, alumni, an entire community...literaly an uncountable amount of people. Not to mention the legacy that is Penn State. Too much focus of this has been on the football. Penn State is more than just an athletic program. It's the lifeline of the community I live in and we're all suffering.

The main stream media is rediculous. According to the New York Times, UPenn has lost their coach. Talk about insulting. If we're going to get bashed by the media, they can at least get the University correct. Please don't get your information from ESPN, Fox Sports , TMZ or the Huffington Post. You want to know the NEWS about events as they unfold? Visit our local media sites. Centre Daily Times, State College.com, Onward State. Those are the best sources. Or ask me. Most of us locals know what's going on before it even hits the media.

Speaking of which...no. McQeary will not have any involvement in coaching this saturday. He won't even be at the stadium.

There is NO wearing white in support of Paterno this saturday. It's a BLUE OUT and it's for both PSU and Nebraska fans in support of aboloshing child abuse. T-shirts and ribbons are available all over town.

The "riot". Yes. Out of the thousands of students that were peacefully demonstrating their anger that Paterno was not permitted to coach the last home game of his career, a handfull students got out of control. What you probably didn't see on ESPN the next day was students that weren't involved in causing the damage on the streets cleaning up the mess that those few students had made the night before.

It seems that people are forgetting the most important factor in the whole situation...and that's the Sandusky victims. How about a little less focus on all the politics, football program and bashing my Alma Mater and hometown in general and more on supporting them?

BBM

Good post but I disagree with the bolded part. There's more than one person who is responsible. There were numerous clues about Sandusky that were known and ignored, IMO, in order to save PS from embarrassment and if it meant that more kids be abused it was the cost of saving the college from front page news.

 

[alwaysonmymind]

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BBM

The success of the football team is a part of the story. It's why these coaches were seen as heros by the community, and why school officials were so quick to turn the other way rather than tarnish the reputation of the football program, which is a huge moneymaker for the college. To leave out the success of Penn State football would be painting an incomplete picture of what happened. IMHO

Right, and that was from a sports reporter. They live to quote scores and stats. :crazy:

I didn't read that article but did read the Grand Jury indictment. It is sickening.

Victim #4 resisted Sandusky's sexual advances when the victim traveled to the Alamo Bowl game referenced in the article. And Sandusky threatened to send him home.

The indictment mentions Sandusky's adopted children. Does he have biological children?

 

[SyraKelly]

Right, and that was from a sports reporter. They live to quote scores and stats. :crazy:

I didn't read that article but did read the Grand Jury indictment. It is sickening.

Victim #4 resisted Sandusky's sexual advances when the victim traveled to the Alamo Bowl game referenced in the article. And Sandusky threatened to send him home.

The indictment mentions Sandusky's adopted children. Does he have biological children?

IIRC-I read they could not have children,so they adopted 6

 

[HMSHood]

Right, and that was from a sports reporter. They live to quote scores and stats. :crazy:

I didn't read that article but did read the Grand Jury indictment. It is sickening.

Victim #4 resisted Sandusky's sexual advances when the victim traveled to the Alamo Bowl game referenced in the article. And Sandusky threatened to send him home.

The indictment mentions Sandusky's adopted children. Does he have biological children?

They are all adopted.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

I see that Joe Pa has now hired a "big gun" criminal defense attorney.

That. Speaks. Volumes. Period.

Prepare yourselves - this will get uglier.


Wonder just what Sundusky is telling? Or others, for that matter. I'm so glad that McQueary was removed from tomorrow's game. That had to be.


JMHO

 

[MagnoliaMom]

Belimom thank you for this article.

http://gma.yahoo.com/penn-state-scandal-mother-alleged-victim-says-son-082520374.html

On one occasion a school wrestling coach witnessed inappropriate touching between the two in a secluded weight room, according to the grand jury presentment.

"I'm infuriated … Even if they had the slightest inclination that anything inappropriate was going on it should have been reported, or at least brought to my attention," she said. "I didn't even know he was leaving the school with my child, taking him out of classes. They never told me that."

Heads would roll! I had better never find out an adult is taking my child from school without my knowledge.

 

[1&2&3]

In my opinion, McQueary will have to go! He was the whistleblower, followed the "chain of command" and the higher echelons did nothing. Had he gone directly to the local police, they may have been in Penn State's pocket and nothing would have come of it. McQueary may have lost his student grad position, end of McQueary's involvement and oh yes, career. Or, they keep him on, as they have done and buy his silence.

McQueary was 28 at the time, not a kid. Child rape at the time he observed it was no where near the attention getter it is today. Just as wrong and evil, just not openly discussed and people not so aware of it. I think McQueary was in a no-win situation, scared of Sandusky who probably threatened him, and knew it was his word against a superior. Who is going to be believed? The child, scared to death is not going to admit it once he gets away from this monster.

McQueary was in the wrong place at the wrong time. At 28, he could not fight Penn State himself, and who is going to believe him? The town is wrapped around the college. As a man, who would want to coach with staff whose ethics are so low that a known pedophile is among them? That is the BIG question - why did Mike McQueary not walk away from that position? Career vs ethics, Mike??

Mike, you made the wrong decision years ago when you stayed at Penn State. The time has come when ethics are the decision maker as to who stays and who goes. You tried to do right, however, by staying you are just as low and disqusting as all the others because you saw it, you knew it was true! Mike McQueary you allowed Penn State to buy you, one can not get much lower! :furious:

 

[MagnoliaMom]

Right, and that was from a sports reporter. They live to quote scores and stats. :crazy:

I didn't read that article but did read the Grand Jury indictment. It is sickening.

Victim #4 resisted Sandusky's sexual advances when the victim traveled to the Alamo Bowl game referenced in the article. And Sandusky threatened to send him home.

The indictment mentions Sandusky's adopted children. Does he have biological children?

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Sandusky"]Jerry Sandusky - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

Sandusky is married and has six adopted children.[23] He also took in foster children.[5]

Somewhere I read 5 of the adopted children were boys.

 

[raeann]

The saddest part of the McQueary issue is that he has been removed from the game because Penn State SUPPORTERS are making death threats!!!!! NOT threats because he did not report to LE....but because he is the one whose report went directly to PATERNO!!! The way these supporters see it....it is McQueary's fault that Paterno is out!

 

[alwaysonmymind]

Jerry Sandusky - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




Somewhere I read 5 of the adopted children were boys.

So.... I'm wondering if there are more victims......

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Curley and Schultz were charged with perjury. PERJURY. Lying to the Grand Jury. That, right there, reeks of cover-up. COVER-UP! These 2 were willing and DID lie to a Grand Jury.

I think that is what really got everyone seeing a little clearer here. If you will lie to a Grandy Jury - then WHAT REALLY was going on here?

IMO there are more adults that KNEW what Sandusky was and what he was doing. FGS, he was bringing little boys to games and allowing them to roam on the sidelines with the players. He took little boys to program functions. Even took one to a bowl game and listed that child as a family member. THEY KNEW. Joe Pa knew - he saw those boys with him and all this AFTER the 1998 incident.

How could anyone cover for such a depraved, sick creepazoid - IDK. But they did. And, that, in itself - is absolutely DISGUSTING.

I really hope we get to the bottom of this barrel of snakes and cut off all the heads. Such a nasty mark to be put on Penn State. But, it is what it is.

JMHO

 

[1&2&3]

The saddest part of the McQueary issue is that he has been removed from the game because Penn State SUPPORTERS are making death threats!!!!! NOT threats because he did not report to LE....but because he is the one whose report went directly to PATERNO!!! The way these supporters see it....it is McQueary's fault that Paterno is out!

Pathetic!!!!

 

[SyraKelly]

Curley and Schultz were charged with perjury. PERJURY. Lying to the Grand Jury. That, right there, reeks of cover-up. COVER-UP! These 2 were willing and DID lie to a Grand Jury.

I think that is what really got everyone seeing a little clearer here. If you will lie to a Grandy Jury - then WHAT REALLY was going on here?

IMO there are more adults that KNEW what Sandusky was and what he was doing. FGS, he was bringing little boys to games and allowing them to roam on the sidelines with the players. He took little boys to program functions. Even took one to a bowl game and listed that child as a family member. THEY KNEW. Joe Pa knew - he saw those boys with him and all this AFTER the 1998 incident.

How could anyone cover for such a depraved, sick creepazoid - IDK. But they did. And, that, in itself - is absolutely DISGUSTING.

I really hope we get to the bottom of this barrel of snakes and cut off all the heads. Such a nasty mark to be put on Penn State. But, it is what it is.

JMHO

But you know what JP's excuse is going to be..I never thought Sandusky was hurting these boys,I thought he was bringing the boys from the foundation to the games to help them with self esteem issues or trying to be a father figure to them...he will deny knowing anything..JMO

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Just reposting the Grand Jury findings for those who haven't read it yet.

WARNING!!!! Graphic Details!!!

http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/Press/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf