Am I the only one who finds the kitten thing not the slightest bit hinky? *Not the slightest bit. *She and a friend were on the porch in the early evening, *about the time dumped kitties start moving around, *and the kitten came up and she had a tender heart and took it in to the house. *
I do believe, *fully at this point, *that had the kitten NOT been in the bed, *everything else was sort of normal enough that Jeremy might not have awakened her and it might have been morning before Lisa was discovered missing. * Lights on, *window open (someone here keeps commenting on what a heavenly day that was, *window open is a normal thing to me. *Also, *she could maybe hear the kids better from the porch). *But a kitten in the bed, *would be too much not to wake her and say who is this kitten. *
I would bet 100% the boy with the kitten could back up whatever story she has, *though. *
I'm a volunteer at our local shelter, *and know that kittens get dumped in neighborhoods all the time. *Every day in fact.
No, you're not alone in your ^above^ opinions.. Not only would the son with the kitty be able to back up Debbie's acct but more importantly the neighbor IMO holds the key TO EVERYTHING!! Deb cooks dinner at 5:30pm for kids and neighbor.. 6:40pm Lisa is put down for the night.. And the kids(2sons and neighbor's child) are playing together The remainder of the night.. Watching movies and I'd feel confident that they were playing and horsing around throughout the house along with popping out front throughout the entire night where the mom's were sitting, drinking wine, smoking, and most likely gossiping and laughing..*
Regardless of the subject of their convos that night the important detail is that the neighbor didn't leave until 10:30pm.. Therefor this neighbor holds knowledge of all of these important details.. She wouldve been present for the dinner, she would therefor be able to attest to Lisa's still being alive and well that evening.. She holds the knowledge of how the cat was found and who was the one to find it(and having it reported in a magazine article that Deb found it certainly doesn't make it fact.. Doesn't even make it fact that's what Deb even said.. So for that to be taken as something inconsistent is ridiculous IMO).. This neighbor holds knowledge of the entire movements of the entire household until leaving at 10:30pm.. At 10:30pm she leaves and shortly thereafter she sees the lights go down at the Irwin home as Deb and the two boys hit the hay(along with new kitty)..*
IMO there is nothing hinky, greasy, or suspicious of Jeremy's supposed to have gotten off work around 10 and ending up having to work til after 3am and Deb not being in hysterics reaching out to find her man.. She very well could have been worried and/or nervous at this happenstance be it she was sober!!! But she wasn't.. As I'm certain the neighbor fully has verified how much wine her amd Deb consumed in a 5hr period of time!! Deb and the boys went to bed at 10:30pm therefor Deb was not awake nor aware that the later it got that her man still wAsnt home.. When hitting the hay at 10:30pm she would not be in a panic at that point whatsoever!!! She would be going to sleep assuming Jeremy would be coming home very shortly thereafter!! So, for me there is zero that can be twisted or formed from these latest clarified details into being damning or even suspicious.. Is it the behavior of June Cleaver? Absolutely not and bad choices made, but were they strange or nonsensical? No, not in the least and sadly I know several whose evening homelife are identical to a tee to the night in question.. I have a former employee that hubby leaves early evening for night shift, she along with one sometimes two of the female neighbors(who bring their kids over as well) cook something up in the kitchen for the kids as they're all playing throughout the house.. By the time dinners on the table for the kids the moms have ATLEAST had their first glass of wine.. From there the night goes similarly to Debs.. With the moms in and out from kitchen, living room, to out front smoking, continuing to indulge in their wine.. The kids in various parts of the house playing Wii, watching movies, running in and out when moms are out front.. This continues til the wine runs dry, or one of the kids gets to arguing with another, or they're all *fussy/tired(moms and kids) At that point they all walk to their homes and everyone Of them hits the hay!!!
Again, is it June Cleaver behavior? No, but it is the absolute reality of many and multiple homes across this country!! So, while many of us do not agree with it and find it to be inappropriate, immoral, etc.. It still does not make them guilty of murdering their child(and I'll say it again the Van Dam case is the perfect example).. Don't like em, don't agree with their choices and behaviors, but didn't make them guilty of Daughter, Danielle's rape and murder(abducted from their home while mom, dad, and 2 brothers slept.. NO ONE HEARD A THING!)
These details do not make Deb guilty of harming Lisa.. Was she guilty of being a crappy mom? Yes, but so are the many other women that have never and would never harm a hair on their child's head.. It just doesn't equal guilt and there is nothing "hinky" in these details of that night.. are there actions of a selfish mom? Yes, but that is not "hinky" or nonsensical..
As for the phones same applies and tho not smart and irresponsible to have children with no working phones(tho it is known fact even service disconnected cells will call 911) but take a poll of how many mom's In single income struggling homes have at one time or another(again my ex employee literally every other month had their phones temporarily disconnected.. Sometimes for a few hours sometimes for a few days.. It is not by far unusual at all)had the phone service temporarily disconnected..
Deb reprogramming the borrowed cell to replace the third unworkable cell was not unusual.. IT WAS TEMPORARILY DISCONNECTED. not permenanently!! Therefor of course she's gonna prepare the newest, borrowed phone by programming it and charging them as well.. That way as soon as the minimum balance is paid the phones are charged, programmed and ready to use!! Nothing unusual, greasy, hinky, suspicious.. Jmo, tho!!
