Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #13

[passionflower]

During Natalee, I remember people talking about JVS baby brother about 8 yrs old.
Never heard of a half brother.
Just during this case I have learned of the other boy ( a few years younger)
Interesting that Paulus was a playboy???
Not a good example, huh???
Anita has her share of heart aches..........now she is stuck paying for JVS needs.
Not fair to young brother.

 

[Melanie]

I'm confused about this half brother. :waitasec: I'm pretty sure it's not the youngest brother (Sebastian). Valentinj is the brother that's two years younger that JVS. Is this the one thought to be the half brother? Because, if it is, he could pass for JVS's twin (only two years younger). Half siblings don't usually look so much alike. Could it be possible that the half brother isn't either of those, but yet another one?

I'd really like to post the picture I saw of Valentinj recently partying, but I don't know if it's acceptable. ??

If he is a minor, and not related to this case, then I "believe" it's against TOS. I posted a picture of Sebastian, but quickly took it down (as he still looked like a child in the photo).

I feel so bad for those boys/men to have a brother like JVS. I would hate to add to their misery.

MOO

Mel

 

[faw720]

I'm wondering where and from whom he learned Spanish. What dialect is he most comfortable in? That would be a big indication as to how he meant that when he said it...JMHO.

(just a note for those that may not know---and this is just general statement---and not meant to insult anyone that is a spanish speaker---each spanish speaking country will have their own dialect ---I explain it to my kids like this: You know how there are differences in English between USA, Canada, England and Australia? Same kind of thing with dialects in Spanish, oversimplified analogy but hey that's me )

I've wondered the same thing. Interestingly the translations given here by the sleuthers are split just about evenly: 1/2 saying he says he has a headache & the other 1/2 saying he says he is sick in the head. My limited Spanish is of the Tex-Mex variety & I thought he said he was sick in the head. I have no problems understanding border Mexicans speaking broken English, but when I'm in Spain I can hardly understand anything a Spaniard is saying in English.

 

[georger]

Let's throw some JMHO and IMHO in here and there until we get some confirmation that JVDS suffered from a brain injury/learning disability please?

We have a lot of guests that read that don't always read entire threads and come away with impressions we are stating fact.

I'm not opposed to theories about the above, I'm not opposed to any theory. I will say that IMHO seeing someone who is awkard on a bicycle indicates a brain injury and trying to judge their intelligence by either looking at a picture of them and looking at their expressions or eyes is pretty much not possible. JMHO.

As I said I'm not opposed to any theory here.

Agree completely. Everything needs confirmation. If Joran's attorney
does his work he will submit records to the Court of past hospitalisations,
evaluations, etc, if any. (The Peruvian Court will process that in some fashion potentially going up to the Peruvian Supreme Court).

But I find the report below rather compelling for the time being.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wirestory?id=10903660&page=1
Underneath all the media coverage and theories is a real person
wh0o has now come to so many people's attention...

 

[faw720]

During Natalee, I remember people talking about JVS baby brother about 8 yrs old.
Never heard of a half brother.
Just during this case I have learned of the other boy ( a few years younger)
Interesting that Paulus was a playboy???
Not a good example, huh???
Anita has her share of heart aches..........now she is stuck paying for JVS needs.
Not fair to young brother.

The only place I have ever heard of an illigitimate half brother is on Issues & they said he was a known drug dealer. Googled it & couldn't find anything else so I didn't post anything about it here. Thought it might just be one of many rumors flying around.

 

[sassy_texasbelle2]

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If he is a minor, and not related to this case, then I "believe" it's against TOS. I posted a picture of Sebastian, but quickly took it down (as he still looked like a child in the photo).

I feel so bad for those boys/men to have a brother like JVS. I would hate to add to their misery.

MOO

Mel

Was that the pic of him with a mouthful of spaghetti? If so he does not look like Joran to me as much as the middle boy does.

 

[la_cavalière]

Aha! The true meaning of Joran's chest tatoo is revealed. It does not read "Joran." It is a Thai phrase meaning "tolerance and forgiveness."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wirestory?id=10903660&page=3

One souvenir Van der Sloot apparently picked up in Thailand is visible on his chest in a photo taken during a medical checkup after Chilean police handed him over to Peruvian authorities on June 4. It is a tattoo that says, in Thai, "never mind." The word reflects two prominent characteristics of Thai culture in foreigners' eyes: tolerance and forgiveness.

 

[miley]

I don't think so- maybe someone can remember the exact details better than I do, but the youngest I think is around 13 years old and is Joran's full brother.

I do remember some discussion 5 years ago about the supposed drug dealing half brother, but he was Joran's age or older and had never lived with the van der Sloot family. Maybe more was discovered after I drifted away from the message boards back then, but I think this rumor was never actually confirmed.

Anyone know for sure?

I remember his name (supposedly) being Lorenzo
Lorenzo Van Rijn ... something like that

 

[Linda7NJ]

Yup I noticed that myself. I was just offering another POV.And like another poster here I made the error as a teen to put straight up peroxide (in the bottle that you use for cuts and scrapes on my head) and I have dark hair, much much darker than JVDS LOL. It turned an obscene ronald mcdonald color in spots and streaks :floorlaugh: Only had to do that once

Do you remember a product called "Sun In"? rofl!

 

[faw720]

BBM and shortened for space.

I think that's really it. He may have a basic genetic personality that is slanted toward the antisocial side, IDK, and then on top of that it really sounds like he got his way at home all the time, if the stuff I've heard is true. That video when JVDS threw the wine was very telling to me, not only about his temper but also the way that temper was probably treated at home. His mother just stood there very impassively as if she didn't notice. Makes me think it was probably par for the course at their house and you were "expected" to ignore it/look the other way/give in. JMO.

Shortened by me.

What I would really love to see is an unbiased, uncensored evaluation of the Van der Sloot family dynamics by someone who knows them personally. Probably won't ever happen but it would be so informative & answer lots of questions for us.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

The "supporters" you speak of in Amsterdam are generally young students who are quite socialistic and believe that you have to prove someone's guilt before you brand them a murderer. They also believe in many cases that there are political motivations for making an example out of alleged criminals (not talking about Joran here but in general) and that this right should be reserved for judges who decide their fate. Being tried in the media upsets a lot of Dutch people because they don't think it's fair or social. There have been mistakes made in the recent past and some people have been unjustly imprisoned. Things like that.

In a general sense, I would agree with this position. i don't think it matters what country the trial is in; when the accused is "tried in the media" it is much harder for the accused to get a fair trial or for the public to accept an acquittal if the person is found not guilty (or is actually innocent).

However, simply supporting the accused because the case is all over the media is equally problematic. Common sense indicated that Joran was somehow involved in Natalee's disappearance because from the start he was lying and changing stories. While an innocent suspect without an alibi or who had contact with the victim might lie to alibi himself, there won't be lie after lie about key events or an ever-changing story. Then, when Natalee's body was not found on an island and Paulus comes out with "no body, no case"--well, common sense says these people have guilty knowledge. Even so, Joran would have been better off as a human being to endure the trial at age 17 and hope that the prosecutor could not make a case. He would have had a sympathetic audience in Aruba for an accident, after which he panicked, etc. But why didn't he take that route? For one thing, his father knew he could get Joran off the hook for any consequences; for another, I think the father didn't have any idea the he would essentially be tried in the media and become, even as a free man, a kind of prisoner of the notoriety.

The best thing is for us bystanders to do--even for the accused--is to keep an open mind and weigh the evidence that is available.

 

[Carrington]

Wonder how long it will be before someone starts a "donate to Joran"
website. His mother will not have to support him if enough people feel sorry for him.
He may live like the King of Castro, wine, women and drugs.
IMO

 

[suzihawk]

OK let me see if I can get this out right. PVS and AVS have custody of the child that was born out of wedlock. Cannot remember where I read this at sorry. He is the youngest of the three boys. He is the one that JVM guest was speaking of when talking about drugs. Not for sure on the picture posting. I hope this is where it is more understandable now.

:waitasec: The youngest is is 13 or 14 at most. IIRC, he was only @ 8 or so when Natalee first disappeared. I doubt he he would be a known drug dealer. But stranger things...

I got permission to post the picture if I can link it to a source. Searching now...

 

[Linda7NJ]

Wonder how long it will be before someone starts a "donate to Joran"
website. His mother will not have to support him if enough people feel sorry for him.
He may live like the King of Castro, wine, women and drugs.
IMO

I think the chances of that are a snowballs chance in...well you know where:devil:....

 

[Labrat]

I remember his name (supposedly) being Lorenzo
Lorenzo Van Rijn ... something like that

Yes! That sounds familiar. All the old rumors are probably going to be cropping up again.

 

[Benny08]

Who's flickr is this? There's a crapload of JVS pics on here.. most of which are him with different girls.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nh_rwv/page3/

 

[georger]

That's not actually true, jw. He also claimed she hit head her on some rocks and that she fell off a balcony. He also said (in the de Vries sting) that he wasn't even sure if she actually was dead when she was tossed in the ocean.

Ive heard those reports also -
so many versions over time.

those stories beg the question: why not just call for or get help rather
than 'disposing of her body'? Seems a totally unreal reaction if one is
not personally responsible in any way. Another angle: if the father is
involved then he does not check for life in Natalie either when he arrives?

So I judge these stories against a Joran-metric of lying, as best I can.
I look for something less grandiose and ordinary which makes Joran
neither hero or sole vilan and doesnot glorify Joran or the story in any way. Convulsions of a very drunk sick girl on the beach is plausable.
(Happens in Spring Break outings by college kids in Florida all the time -
several a year for generations...)

I am very sure Joran is an ordinary person, not the master criminal
the media and Joran himself have tried to sell -

 

[GraceBlue]

If I remember correctly, I think Lorenzo is actually OLDER than Joran, not younger.

So it is...

Lorenzo
Joran
V-----
S------

in that order.

I think? Maybe someone can confirm it?

 

[DollyPardonMe]

I've wondered the same thing. Interestingly the translations given here by the sleuthers are split just about evenly: 1/2 saying he says he has a headache & the other 1/2 saying he says he is sick in the head. My limited Spanish is of the Tex-Mex variety & I thought he said he was sick in the head. I have no problems understanding border Mexicans speaking broken English, but when I'm in Spain I can hardly understand anything a Spaniard is saying in English.

I think Joran knows how to lie in EVERY language and he is already setting up his defense when he says he is "sick in the head". I think he is trying to tell the authorities that he is OR was temporarily insane. :loser:

 

[LadyL]

Who's flickr is this? There's a crapload of JVS pics on here.. most of which are him with different girls.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nh_rwv/page3/

holy carp - you found the motherload! I haven't seen most of these!

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