Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #18

DNA Solves
DNA Solves
DNA Solves
Status
Not open for further replies.
Caller: re any scratches on Joran?
Caller: was he tryin to rape her; caller brings up pad and PatB theory
JeanC: he said in his confession that he unclothed her after he killed her, and that he didn't know why he did; anything else>speculation
 
Geez, that information has been out there for weeks based on the attached image which lists what the body was wearing. The shirt is listed.
 

Attachments

  • Stephany 2.JPG
    Stephany 2.JPG
    27.1 KB · Views: 23
I could have went a lifetime without hearing that last callers comments WTH cant these people hear what they are saying ... GROSS
 
What are the callers asking about? NG doesn't come here for a few more hours.
 
OK, now I hear from Victoria Massey (sp) who spoke to the homicide division and Joran put the shirt on her body. Phew ... I wanted to hear that from someone other then the host.

Which begs the question, did Joran's mental process think...hmm, Stephany's blood is all over my shirt, so maybe if I place it on her body they won't know it's my shirt?!?

Crazier than crazy trying to figure out the mind of a murderer.

Could be why my husband is so creeped out that I follow some of these cases so closely. LOL
 
OK, now I hear from Victoria Massey (sp) who spoke to the homicide division and Joran put the shirt on her body. Phew ... I wanted to hear that from someone other then the host.

Is there any way LE can tell if he put the shirt on her post mortem? How do they know she wasn't wearing the shirt at the time of the murder?
 
I've been looking for a couple of days for info on him. Not to post it because he's not a POI but to just satisfy my curiosity about him. (much like I did with the casino singer, basic info nothing too personal) and I can't find anything on the web that's not posted to blogs or speculation. I was looking for facts. No luck so far.

Thank you, Kat. Early on I was curious about him too. Seems like he couldn't help but be inserted into this case. However, I just wanted to make sure that E. Garcia is strictly a friend and the individual that was to have dinner with JVDS. Was Mr. Garcia investigated? He has involved himself further by admitting to introducing the 2 poker players. (JVDS and SF).
 
In the photos we were looking at earlier it looked like Stephany was actually wearing the shirt and what was just said on Nancy's show apparently confirms it. :)


Perhaps he had to come up with something to explain how he suffocated her with the shirt she was wearing?

I still believe he may have created a lot of confusion with the crime scene after the murder to try and stage some kind of scenario for someone else to have been responsible. With the way he lies and changes his stories, it's going to be tough to get the true picture of just what did happen in that room before and during and after the murder IMO.
 
JeanC Live:

- 3 other defendents in this case; 2 of them - bros.

- autopsy difficult to perform due to state of decomposition
- worst injuries by far was fracture to skull and all of the cranial injuries
 
Geez, that information has been out there for weeks based on the attached image which lists what the body was wearing. The shirt is listed.

Yes, now I remember, too....beige shirt. Everyone wondering what that was...most theorized that it was a tank top or t-shirt she wore under her NIKE shirt.

Plus, I think at the time we assumed the shirt he'd been wearing was white.
 
Sorry if this has been asked as I have been in and out....is the photo of the hand with the ring on hers or JVS? TIA
 
Could it be that he just said 'with his shirt' and we all assumed it was the one he was wearing? Maybe it was another shirt he had lying around...or with all his lies, maybe not a shirt at all !!

I believe Joran when he stated: "he took his shirt off and suffocated Stephany with the shirt."
 
Is there any way LE can tell if he put the shirt on her post mortem? How do they know she wasn't wearing the shirt at the time of the murder?

Excellent point, we have only JVDS word that he strangled SF with his shirt. Can the Forensic folks figure out whether this is fact or not? But I like your theory better, makes sense. (I wish NG and Pat Brown would stop talking about SF's period). I would be HORRIFIED if this was one of my loved ones!
 
What I don't get is this....even IF he was lured or set up or whatever (NOT) he still frigging killed her! What am I missing about that:banghead:
 
NG asking Jean for a recap. Judge now has this case, he will be the fact finder. Other men involved in the case who helped Joran get to Chile; they will also have to face Judge. Condition of Stephany's body being discussed, worst injury had to be fracture to the skull.

Victoria: crime scene photos are what police & Joran have said, body on floor, arms legs facing wall (to bathroom).

Ellie: Anita has given interview to Dutch tv; she won't visit Joran, keeping her distance. Anita believes Joran may have killed Stephany, was supposed to go to Dutch psych hosp before he fled to Peru.

NG talking about how he managed to lure young women, mentioning the girls in Thailand. Clark (reporter on NG's show) talking about Joran's You Tube profile page, what he claimed to be, even giving poker lessons. Also on that page, if he were an animal he'd be a snake, but he wanted to become a strong lion.

Doug Burns, Ray Guidice on panel. Ray: judges have a much looser rule of evidence than if trial is before a jury; advantage prosecution. Doug: confession won't be necessary, other evidence will convict him. NG discussing his confession and "fit of anger" and then recanting in front of judge; one step forward, three steps back. Michael Griffith also commenting that usually with confession there is credit in Peru.

commercial
 
Guest - do not need confession to convict him w/forensics, etc.
MGriffith: in Peru>credit for not being obstructive;
MGriffith: but...they have his video, his blood, his statement to hotel employee - my girlfriend upstairs sleeping, and his fleeing
 
I believe Joran when he stated: "he took his shirt off and suffocated Stephany with the shirt."
That could be the truth and he could still have dressed her in it after he killed her. MOO
 
Excellent point, we have only JVDS word that he strangled SF with his shirt. Can the Forensic folks figure out whether this is fact or not? But I like your theory better, makes sense. (I wish NG and Pat Brown would stop talking about SF's period). I would be HORRIFIED if this was one of my loved ones!

Exactly what I meant in above post and the talk of sex.....it is just crude!!
 
Is there any way LE can tell if he put the shirt on her post mortem? How do they know she wasn't wearing the shirt at the time of the murder?

:waitasec: Why do I get the hard questions? :)


Perhaps LE can tell if Stephany was wearing the shirt at the time of the murder based on blood stains and patterns.

Since Joran stated he suffocated Stephany after taking the shirt off his body and suffocating Stephany, then perhaps there is a pattern of blood stains to confirm it.

Not sure if LE can tell if Joran put the shirt on post mortem or not.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
193
Guests online
277
Total visitors
470

Forum statistics

Threads
609,292
Messages
18,252,144
Members
234,596
Latest member
gentlep23
Back
Top