GUILTY Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #24
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suzihawk
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Hey epiphany!! :seeya: NTNS, my friend!
Yup, he's a piece of work, isn't he? I think he's high as a kite, personally.
His days are numbered, though. tick, tock...
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This is where the problem starts:
article dated Sept. 4, 2011 : http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1269703/n...acusacion-fiscal-debil-favorece-van-der-sloot
According to the Flores family lawyer, the demand formulated by the prosecutor is 'weak' and 'favours JvDS'.
He says it doesn't explain the 'motive'. It also makes no reference to the results of the forensic analysis on J's laptop, which in turn destroyed the hypothesis of "reactive violence".
Instead the demand should have been for aggravated robbery....we all know that already, and this articles explains WHY it is that JvDS is now facing only simple murder.
It does not explain why the prosecutor decided for simple murder though.
following paragraph explains about the "sincere confession" (easy to understand)
This is where the problem starts:
article dated Sept. 4, 2011 : http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1269703/n...acusacion-fiscal-debil-favorece-van-der-sloot
According to the Flores family lawyer, the demand formulated by the prosecutor is 'weak' and 'favours JvDS'.
He says it doesn't explain the 'motive'. It also makes no reference to the results of the forensic analysis on J's laptop, which in turn destroyed the hypothesis of "reactive violence".
Instead the demand should have been for aggravated robbery....we all know that already, and this articles explains WHY it is that JvDS is now facing only simple murder.
It does not explain why the prosecutor decided for simple murder though.
following paragraph explains about the "sincere confession" (easy to understand)
He also says that the Ministry of Public Affairs didn't take any reference to the NH case because her body hasn't been found.
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From what I understood, once his sentence is decided in Peru, then the US want him extradited to stand trial for the extortion. Once that trial is completed and if found guilty and his sentence is determined he will be returned to Peru to serve out his sentence there and then once that is completed he will be sent back to the US to serve whatever sentence he receives there. It appears as though the US do not want to wait up to 30 years to even start the extortion trial. :waitasec:
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That's the way I understood it too suzihawk. If he had pled guilty to the charges today and the events as laid out by the prosecutor, the maximum he would face is thirty years. But because he pled guilty with a sincere confession, they may take that into consideration during sentencing and go with a lower penalty.
But he decided he didn't want to give a sincere confession to the events as they were described in court today so he needs some time to weigh his other options. The only other option I see is him deciding to go to trial because he disagrees with the events as they were laid out by the prosecutor.
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maybe things have changed since i read articles like these below that state the exact opposite lol
Now that there is a Van der Sloot extortion indictment in Alabama Joran Van der Sloot will have to face a trial there. That is assuming he ever gets out of prison in Peru.
http://law.rightpundits.com/?p=1891
Famed criminal defense lawyer Roy Black told ABC's "Good Morning America" that, "The murder case in Peru takes precedence over" the extortion charges, and that the chances of van der Sloot getting extradited to Alabama "are zero."
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Internati...rtion-plot-natalee-holloway/story?id=10824621
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This was one of the latest ones I read so who knows...
The US authorities are reportedly currently involved in negotiations with the Peruvian government to have Van der Sloot extradited to the US for trial immediately after his trial in Peru ends. He would then be returned to Peru to serve his sentence there before being definitively extradited to the US to serve what is expected to be another long term of imprisonment
http://tswi.org/africa/bulletin/van-der-sloot-trial-starts-friday
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That's exactly my understanding Kamille, and IDK, but it kind of doesn't make much sense to me JMHO. Surely extortion charges cannot take prevalence over a murder sentence, so :waitasec: what would determining his sentence for extortion years in advance achieve?
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AmandaReckonwith
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Case archive:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/...ee Holloway -Aruba --- Stephany Flores -Peru/
This archive contains pictures, articles, videos
from both Natalee's and Stephany's cases.
Most recently adding the trial of JVDS in Peru.
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/...ee Holloway -Aruba --- Stephany Flores -Peru/
This archive contains pictures, articles, videos
from both Natalee's and Stephany's cases.
Most recently adding the trial of JVDS in Peru.
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i guess time will tell re: a trip to alabama...
for anyone who wants to watch the hearing, here it is (courtesy of insession and the wonderful person who uploaded it):
for anyone who wants to watch the hearing, here it is (courtesy of insession and the wonderful person who uploaded it):
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1mtzGjbiF8"]Joran Van Der Sloot trial 1-6-12 - YouTube[/ame]
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uh... uhhhhhhhhhh... uh... uhhhhh... uhhhh... uh... uhhhhhhhhhhhh
that translator is horrible! i hope he's replaced next week.
that translator is horrible! i hope he's replaced next week.
I have to agree with Jinkasaurus on this one ... Joran looked like he was seriously sleep deprived in court and even though he removed his bullet proof vest and jacket, he still looked very old or worn out for a 24 year old. For all the criticism on CNN about his disrespectful demeanor because he yawned and sat casual ... he did appear very tired, pale, jumpy and old beyond his years.
Joran ... having to appear before three women judges when he has a psychological eval stating that he is confrontational with women. No wonder his face was so twisted when he asked for a few days to think.
Joran ... having to appear before three women judges when he has a psychological eval stating that he is confrontational with women. No wonder his face was so twisted when he asked for a few days to think.
Like Knox, he was incarcerated in a foreign prison. One was given rehabilitation while the other was given a brutal, over-crowded Peruian prsion - soon to be in the Siberian Peruvian Mountains on fthe Bolivian border.
Perhaps the brutality of priosn brings out some of the truth.
Joran has admitted that he committed murder, but he's not ready to admit that he was violent and brutal for no reason. I think the three judges will throw the book at him. The fact that he is a murder suspect from 5 years earlier, to the day, reinforces the likelihood that he murdered her too ... not, as the defense suggests, that he was so traumatized by accusations of murder that he was driven to murder.
Perhaps the brutality of priosn brings out some of the truth.
Joran has admitted that he committed murder, but he's not ready to admit that he was violent and brutal for no reason. I think the three judges will throw the book at him. The fact that he is a murder suspect from 5 years earlier, to the day, reinforces the likelihood that he murdered her too ... not, as the defense suggests, that he was so traumatized by accusations of murder that he was driven to murder.
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Van der Sloot Hints in Court that He Might Plead Guilty to Murder
At a strange hearing Friday in Lima, Dutch murder suspect Joran van der Sloot set the stage for a trial that will be a global spectacle.
full article at link ........................ http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...urt-that-he-might-plead-guilty-to-murder.html
At a strange hearing Friday in Lima, Dutch murder suspect Joran van der Sloot set the stage for a trial that will be a global spectacle.
full article at link ........................ http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...urt-that-he-might-plead-guilty-to-murder.html
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plus, what if he died in the peruvian prison or was killed? then the US/State of Alabama would have gone through all that time and expense for nothing really (except of course, a possible conviction merely "on the record").
It will be interesting to see what transpires if and when JVDS is convicted in Peru.
This was taken from the treaty between the US and Peru, so it looks like it can be done.
http://www.oas.org/juridico/mla/en/traites/en_traites-ext-usa-per.pdf
Page 8, Article X
Article X addresses deferred and temporary surrender. Under Article
X(1) if a person whose extradition is sought is being prosecuted
or is serving a sentence in the Requested State, that State
may postpone the extradition proceedings against, or the surrender
of, that person until its prosecution has been concluded or the sentence
has been served. Alternatively, Article X(2) provides that in
such circumstances the Requested State may, in exceptional cases,
temporarily surrender the person to the Requesting State exclusively
for the purpose of prosecution. The person so surrendered is
to be kept in custody in the Requesting State and returned to the
Requested State after the conclusion of the proceedings against
that person, on conditions agreed between the Contracting States
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You partially got it. pretty obvious what the reasons are, which are not the 'obvious' IYKWIM.
good luck!
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I'm not sure if this has been posted yet. If so, my apology for duplicating it.
Wonder if JVDS has seen this and how he'd feel about an article about him AND the likes of Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacey?
fran
Joran van der Sloot and Other Famous Inmates with Groupies or Girlfriends
Joran van der Sloot, the young Dutchman charged with the murder of Stephany Flores, a 21 year-old Peruvian woman, and the number one suspect in the infamous disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway, has boasted about receiving marriage proposals while locked up,.....
full article at link ...................... http://www.thedailybeast.com/galler...lers-with-groupies-or-girlfriends-photos.html
Wonder if JVDS has seen this and how he'd feel about an article about him AND the likes of Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacey?
fran
Joran van der Sloot and Other Famous Inmates with Groupies or Girlfriends
Joran van der Sloot, the young Dutchman charged with the murder of Stephany Flores, a 21 year-old Peruvian woman, and the number one suspect in the infamous disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway, has boasted about receiving marriage proposals while locked up,.....
full article at link ...................... http://www.thedailybeast.com/galler...lers-with-groupies-or-girlfriends-photos.html
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