GUILTY Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #24

[Kamille]

I still think JVDS saw that 3 female judging panel today and started hedging his bets as to whether he might have a better chance at a reduced sentence if he takes this thing to trial and tries to charm and manipulate them. I'm sure he thinks he can.

I'd still like to know where he will be housed during this delay and during a possible trial. It seems to be all about keeping himself in some kind of solitary and safe environment for as long as possible. Then when he is finally sentenced, it will count towards time served.

MOO

 

[Gene]

I wonder if anyone has seen this. It is insane if it is for real:

Today’s hourlong courtroom session appeared to set up a situation where van der Sloot will plead guilty by reason of temporary insanity, which, under Peruvian law, carries a sentence of three to five years.

If he pleads guilty to temporary insanity and the court accepts that plea, he could be set free, according to statements his lawyers have made to ABC News.

They state that Peru has a two-for-one stipulation in its judicial system, meaning a prisoner’s time spent in jail awaiting trial is computed doubly.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/01/natalee-holloways-suspected-killer-seeks-deal-in-peru/

Could this really happen? Amazing if true..........

 

[suzihawk]

The link I posted quotes the family stating that they would like this to "conclude rapidly". It will be interesting to see whether the prosecution relaxes the charges to allow this to conclude rapidly or whether they will stay with the original charges, which could mean a lengthy trial.

Of course the Flores family want this case to 'conclude rapidly'. They've been through hell. Why in the world would they want it drag out any longer than necessary?

However, that certainly doesn't equate to them being willing to settle for less than what they feel is justice for their daughter. They've fought every step of the way to see that JVS gets punished to the full extent of the law. They're not going to get down to the wire and say, "Eh... whatever - let's just get this over with".

MOO

 

[suzihawk]

I still think JVDS saw that 3 female judging panel today and started hedging his bets as to whether he might have a better chance at a reduced sentence if he takes this thing to trial and tries to charm and manipulate them. I'm sure he thinks he can.

I'd still like to know where he will be housed during this delay and during a possible trial. It seems to be all about keeping himself in some kind of solitary and safe environment for as long as possible. Then when he is finally sentenced, it will count towards time served.

MOO

I'm sure he still thinks he's quite the ladies man. After all, he has that quack ex-radiologist fawning all over him. But if he thinks he can charm these female judges, I think he has a rude awakening coming. They don't appear to be the kind to put up with his nonsense. Especially that head judge.

I agree about dragging his feet to stay in solitary as long as possible. He knows he's going away for a long time so he has nothing to lose by dragging it out as long as possible.

MOO, as usual.

 

[Gene]

Another blogger is confirming that Van der Sloot plans to plea guilty by reason of temporary insanity and that this could result in him being free in a couple of years if he is successful:

http://www.collegenews.com/article/joran_van_der_sloot_considering_plea_deal

 

[suzihawk]

I wonder if anyone has seen this. It is insane if it is for real:

Today’s hourlong courtroom session appeared to set up a situation where van der Sloot will plead guilty by reason of temporary insanity, which, under Peruvian law, carries a sentence of three to five years.

If he pleads guilty to temporary insanity and the court accepts that plea, he could be set free, according to statements his lawyers have made to ABC News.

They state that Peru has a two-for-one stipulation in its judicial system, meaning a prisoner’s time spent in jail awaiting trial is computed doubly.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/01/natalee-holloways-suspected-killer-seeks-deal-in-peru/

Could this really happen? Amazing if true..........

I doubt it. But who knows these days. I never thought I'd see Casey Anthony go free either so...

He's one sick individual. But he ain't crazy. :crazy:

 

[redheadedgal]

wouldn't the prosecution/3 judges have to accept an "insanity" though? would they? i would hope the prosecution wouldn't bite...


and, if prosecutors can prove the motive for murder was the money, wouldn't that render the "insanity" plea null and void? killing for money is something one does very purposefully and consciously imo.

 

[Kamille]

I doubt it. But who knows these days. I never thought I'd see Casey Anthony go free either so...

He's one sick individual. But he ain't crazy. :crazy:

I agree. And I find it hard to believe that those judges will go for that with the Flores family front and centre and all of their supporters behind them. That would be a huge slap in the face for them. I can't imagine that would be a good call for these judges. I'm sure they don't want to deal with any backlash in their own country for a foreigner like JVDS.

MOO

 

[Kamille]

wouldn't the prosecution/3 judges have to accept an "insanity" though? would they? i would hope the prosecution wouldn't bite...


and, if prosecutors can prove the motive for murder was the money, wouldn't that render the "insanity" plea null and void? killing for money is something one does very purposefully and consciously imo.

Not to mention that they do have those emails between Joran and his buddy claiming how desperate he was for money to get out of the country. I think he took Stephany to his room to get her to up his bank roll in the online poker sites. Maybe he thought she'd ante up with her own cash for the experience. When that didn't happen, he probably tried to charm and seduce her. When he was rebuffed he probably got enraged, killed her and took her money.

MOO

 

[Gene]

I agree. And I find it hard to believe that those judges will go for that with the Flores family front and centre and all of their supporters behind them. That would be a huge slap in the face for them. I can't imagine that would be a good call for these judges. I'm sure they don't want to deal with any backlash in their own country for a foreigner like JVDS.

MOO

You are probably right. But anyway, this explains today's drama. Sloot is playing poker and hoping to cut an insanity plea. Whether or not he will be successful remains to be seen. Who can guess what motivates a peruvian judge?

 

[Kamille]

You are probably right. But anyway, this explains today's drama. Sloot is playing poker and hoping to cut an insanity plea. Whether or not he will be successful remains to be seen. Who can guess what motivates a peruvian judge?

Well he's bargaining. As in...

I see your 30 year deal and I offer you an insanity plea.

Maybe he's hoping they'll come back with a counter offer of simple murder. Don't think it's going to happen but as suzihawk said...What's he got to lose really?

Well other than the fact that he might tick these judges off enough with his games to have them reject anything and take this to trial where he might have the charges increased to life. It's a gamble for sure but that's how Joran rolls. :crazy:

MOO

 

[redheadedgal]

two of those links (msnbc/daily beast) for the insanity plea were from early 2011...

is that still a real possibility or does he now intend to plead guilty to a "simple" confession instead as recent articles state?


was anything about "insanity" mentioned in court today?

 

[Kamille]

I noticed this in that article posted by Gene...

They state that Peru has a two-for-one stipulation in its judicial system, meaning a prisoner’s time spent in jail awaiting trial is computed doubly. Van der Sloot has completed more than three years of jail time

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/01/natalee-holloways-suspected-killer-seeks-deal-in-peru/

So does that 2 for 1 one time only count when the prisoner is in jail awaiting trial? Is it straight time after someone is sentenced? Might explain all the delays and more to come if that's the case.

MOO

 

[annalia]

two of those links (msnbc/daily beast) for the insanity plea were from early 2011...

is that still a real possibility or does he now intend to plead guilty to "simple" murder instead as recent articles state?


was anything about "insanity" mentioned in court today?

I'm pretty sure, though not 100% positive, that it means the same thing.

Simple murder meaning it was done in the heat of passion.

 

[Gene]

two of those links (msnbc/daily beast) for the insanity plea were from early 2011...

Yeah, you are right, sorry about that. I have replaced the two older blogs with another though there is nothing new there.

 

[redheadedgal]

I'm pretty sure, though not 100% positive, that it means the same thing.

Simple murder meaning it was done in the heat of passion.

except the reported sentence for "simple murder" was what? 8-20 years whereas the insanity deal would get him out almost right away... so it doesn't sound like they are the same thing to me ???

 

[Gene]

except the reported sentence for "simple murder" was what? 30 years whereas the insanity deal would get him out almost right away... so it doesn't sound like they are the same thing to me ???

But Jimenez has said he would argue that his client was in a state of emotional distress when he killed Flores and "seek to reduce the charge from first-degree murder to simple homicide." The latter carries a prison sentence of from eight to 20 years.

http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_new...an-der-sloot-delays-plea-in-peru-murder-trial

 

[Gene]

Sloot is only 24 years old now (though he looks much older) if he cuts a deal and gets 2 for 1 time for the time he has been in jail, he will be free before he is in his 40s

 

[Kamille]

except the reported sentence for "simple murder" was what? 30 years whereas the insanity deal would get him out almost right away... so it doesn't sound like they are the same thing to me ???

30 years is for aggravated murder. Basically murder then the robbery. Life if the motive for the murder is robbery. Not sure what they call that. :waitasec:

Simple murder is 8-20yrs I believe. Last I heard that's the one they were going for. But I thought it was already rejected? :waitasec: If it wasn't, why didn't they request that today? What is the delay for? Did JVDS want more time to discuss other options with his lawyer? What other options? Just what is he going to offer next Wednesday?

First I've heard about the temporary insanity sentence so I can't help you there.

MOO

 

[Kamille]

Sloot is only 24 years old now (though he looks much older) if he cuts a deal and gets 2 for 1 time for the time he has been in jail, he will be free before he is in his 40s

I'd still like to know if the time he spends in the US for an extortion trial, if their extradition request is successful, is counted towards time served in Peru? :waitasec:

If that is the case he'd never have to go back because he'll drag that out forever.

But either way he will not be free before he is in his 40's. He'll be in prison somewhere.

MOO