GUILTY Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #24

[Hazel]

for anyone interested:
Recap of this morning's events, JvDS lawyer answering to reporters, and Press Conference given by Stephany's Father

VIDEO: http://panamericana.pe/24horasc/locales/98832-van-der-sloot-acepta-la-acusacion-de-homicidio-pero-rechaza-los-agravantes

 

[fran]

I hate this picture of him. What the heck is he giggling or smirking about? He looks as if he's trying to keep himself from bursting out loud laughing.

Oh, and I don't give a fig if he SAYS he's having difficulty following what's being said in Spanish. He's not fooling anyone. He knows darn well what they're saying.

Just imagine how it was for the Tweetys in Aruba. There were a total of four languages spoken there and LE would write up a document in Dutch and ask the Twittys to sign it. That's how one of Beth's statements had a bunch omitted from what it had been copied from in English.

fran


http://www.boston.com/news/world/la...n_der_sloot_may_plead_guilty_in_peru_killing/

Joran van der Sloot hints he'll plead guilty

 

[thelmadawg]

One wonders if that smirking had to do with an escape plan during his extension or during the to and fro from prisons.

What a disgusting excuse for a human being. I can't even begin to put down here the words running through my brain -- they aren't pretty!

 

[fifteen89]

JVDS isn't capable of telling the truth.......but if he were going to give a truthful confession, he wouldn't need extra time to tell what really happened.

 

[fran]

IMHO, Joran knew what the offer was before he went to court. I have no idea what he thinks he's doing by delaying things, except he wants to FEEL he's in control or give the public that impression. He LOVES all this attention.

This reminds me of a few days after he was arrested for Natalee in Aruba. He confessed to LE and told them he'd lead them to Natalee's body the next day. The Prime Minister of Aruba went on the radio the night before and said 'this would be bad for Aruba's tourism.' ALE advised the FBI Natalee was dead, the FBI told the Twittys, the next day Joran and a caravan of ALE and media drove all over the island and voila!.............It was a 'misunderstanding,' a 'mis-communication.' He didn't confess after all...................

Get it? He is pulling his Joran games. Lie, manipulate, withdraw, throw a tantrum, smile and act like everything is under control and everyone else is an idiot.

In the meantime, he'll get loaded tonite in his cell and relish in the power and draw his person makes. Knowing full well, the media will once again be at his court appearance in 5 days, and the internet will be going wild with speculation throughout the world, typing the words Joran Van der Sloot. :banghead:

I can't wait for the day he's sentenced for his most recent crime of murder. He may be talked about for a few days but then he'll be but a distant memory in most people's minds. In the meantime, he'll be living in he!! on earth in a prison cell in Peru. Doing whatever one does behind those walls merely to survive and breathe another day on this earth. Not knowing if that day could be his last. After all, he's a foreigner to that country, and murdered the child of a muched loved public figure. The prisoners in whatever prison he eventually gets assigned to, welllllll...............let's say, MANY of them won't like him, just for what he did to one of their beloved countryman's daughters.


It's only a matter of time before he's where he belongs. :behindbar

pfffttt
fran

 

[fran]

JVDS isn't capable of telling the truth.......but if he were going to give a truthful confession, he wouldn't need extra time to tell what really happened.

Dompig in Aruba said that he told them at least TWENTY different stories of what happened that fateful night.

Wonder how many he's on now down in Peru?

fran

 

[mrsu]

I heard on inSession they were saying he would likely get a 30 year sentence but with good behavior and time served he would most likely only really serve 8-10 years. Ugh. How can that be?

He is a true psychopath!

 

[fran]

I honestly doubt he'd get out in 8 - 10 years. LOL, they may be telling him that just to get him to agree. But I'm willing to bet it would be more like 15 or so. That is, If he makes it that long. kwim

JMHO
fran

 

[suzihawk]

IMHO, Joran knew what the offer was before he went to court. I have no idea what he thinks he's doing by delaying things, except he wants to FEEL he's in control or give the public that impression. He LOVES all this attention.

This reminds me of a few days after he was arrested for Natalee in Aruba. He confessed to LE and told them he'd lead them to Natalee's body the next day. The Prime Minister of Aruba went on the radio the night before and said 'this would be bad for Aruba's tourism.' ALE advised the FBI Natalee was dead, the FBI told the Twittys, the next day Joran and a caravan of ALE and media drove all over the island and voila!.............It was a 'misunderstanding,' a 'mis-communication.' He didn't confess after all...................

Get it? He is pulling his Joran games. Lie, manipulate, withdraw, throw a tantrum, smile and act like everything is under control and everyone else is an idiot.

In the meantime, he'll get loaded tonite in his cell and relish in the power and draw his person makes. Knowing full well, the media will once again be at his court appearance in 5 days, and the internet will be going wild with speculation throughout the world, typing the words Joran Van der Sloot. :banghead:

I can't wait for the day he's sentenced for his most recent crime of murder. He may be talked about for a few days but then he'll be but a distant memory in most people's minds. In the meantime, he'll be living in he!! on earth in a prison cell in Peru. Doing whatever one does behind those walls merely to survive and breathe another day on this earth. Not knowing if that day could be his last. After all, he's a foreigner to that country, and murdered the child of a muched loved public figure. The prisoners in whatever prison he eventually gets assigned to, welllllll...............let's say, MANY of them won't like him, just for what he did to one of their beloved countryman's daughters.


It's only a matter of time before he's where he belongs. :behindbar

pfffttt
fran

BRAVO, fran! This bears re-posting and I agree with every. single. word.

I think there's a very good possibility he was high on drugs while in court today. Yawning, nodding off and fidgeting the way he was. Drugs are rampant there. No doubt JVS has access and is most likely paying for them with MH's money.

I believe the only way he'll leave prison is in a box. And I think he knows it. So why not play games? He really doesn't have much to lose.

 

[otto]

I get the impression that this is part of the bargaining process that happens in Peru. I doubt that Joran cooked up this strategy on his own and that the judges just went along with it. My understanding is that Joran will plead to the lesser charges and spare the family a trial. If the prosecution wishes to pursue the full extent of the charges, then there will be a trial ... which the victim's family doesn't favor. My understanding is that each party has until Jan 11 to come to a decision and that if the charges are reduced, then a sentence will be delivered 48 hours after the confession.

"Prosecutors are seeking a 30-year prison sentence on murder and theft charges, arguing the killing was premeditated and that Van der Sloot attempted to cover it up, fleeing to Chile, where he was captured days later.

Jimenez contends his client was in a state of emotional distress when he killed Flores and would "seek to reduce the charge from first-degree murder to simple homicide," which carries a prison sentence of from eight to 20 years.

...

I think it's good for the family if this concludes rapidly," Ricardo Flores, a circus promoter and former race car driver, told the AP."

http://www.boston.com/news/world/la...n_der_sloot_may_plead_guilty_in_peru_killing/

 

[annalia]

I get the impression that this is part of the bargaining process that happens in Peru. I doubt that Joran cooked up this strategy on his own and that the judges just went along with it. My understanding is that Joran will plead to the lesser charges and spare the family a trial. If the prosecution wishes to pursue the full extent of the charges, then there will be a trial ... which the victim's family doesn't favor. My understanding is that each party has until Jan 11 to come to a decision and that if the charges are reduced, then a sentence will be delivered 48 hours after the confession.

"Prosecutors are seeking a 30-year prison sentence on murder and theft charges, arguing the killing was premeditated and that Van der Sloot attempted to cover it up, fleeing to Chile, where he was captured days later.

Jimenez contends his client was in a state of emotional distress when he killed Flores and would "seek to reduce the charge from first-degree murder to simple homicide," which carries a prison sentence of from eight to 20 years.

...

I think it's good for the family if this concludes rapidly," Ricardo Flores, a circus promoter and former race car driver, told the AP."

http://www.boston.com/news/world/la...n_der_sloot_may_plead_guilty_in_peru_killing/

No, that isn't accurate. The accepting the plea was supposed to happen today in court. The surprise was him asking for more time at the end.

I've never seen it said that JVDS was doing this to spare the family from having to go to trial. Where did it say this? The family has been fighting to get the charges increased, I haven't seen it said they don't want a trial. Mr Flores was upset at what happened today with the trial being suspended.

It was said that he decided to make the plea to show a *sincere confession* which would get him a reduced sentence, not to spare the family a trial.

JMHO

 

[suzihawk]

No, that isn't accurate. That is what he was supposed to do in court today. The surprise was him asking for more time at the end.

I've never seen it said that JVDS was doing this to spare the family from having to go to trial. Where did it say this?

It was said that he decided to make the plea to show a *sincere confession* which would get him a reduced sentence, not to spare the family a trial. Mr Flores was upset at what happened today with the trial being suspended.

JMHO

The only reference I found to this was from that whack job, Mary Hamer. And, of course, we all know how credible she is, right? If there's another reference, I'd like to see it as well.

 

[Hazel]

I get the impression that this is part of the bargaining process that happens in Peru. I doubt that Joran cooked up this strategy on his own and that the judges just went along with it. My understanding is that Joran will plead to the lesser charges and spare the family a trial. If the prosecution wishes to pursue the full extent of the charges, then there will be a trial ... which the victim's family doesn't favor. My understanding is that each party has until Jan 11 to come to a decision and that if the charges are reduced, then a sentence will be delivered 48 hours after the confession.

"Prosecutors are seeking a 30-year prison sentence on murder and theft charges, arguing the killing was premeditated and that Van der Sloot attempted to cover it up, fleeing to Chile, where he was captured days later.

Jimenez contends his client was in a state of emotional distress when he killed Flores and would "seek to reduce the charge from first-degree murder to simple homicide," which carries a prison sentence of from eight to 20 years.

...

I think it's good for the family if this concludes rapidly," Ricardo Flores, a circus promoter and former race car driver, told the AP."

http://www.boston.com/news/world/la...n_der_sloot_may_plead_guilty_in_peru_killing/

No otto, that's not it...what is accurate is that IF he confesses, a sentence will be delivered after 48 hours.

I've posted links to the most reliable source for information, not only reliable but complete. Google translate might help, though we know many times the translation is a bit confusing.

Bottom line of what happened today in court: JvDS said he was willing to give a 'sincere confession', but he did not agree with the aggravating factors of "ferocity" and "cruelty", and requested more time to think about what was offered.

hope this helps

VIDEO and article (J's lawyer explains): http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1357511/noticia-van-der-sloot-se-considera-responsable-crimen-stephany-flores

 

[annalia]

The Flores family wants JVDS to get life, the family attorney is still fighting to get the charges increased.

http://content.usatoday.com/communi...n-der-sloot-to-plead-guilty-in-peru-killing/1

Van der Sloot murder trial postponed in Peru

Flores' father, Ricardo Flores, tells the AP today that the family would participate in the trial in hopes of ensuring that Van der Sloot is also accused of robbery in connection with the killing.

Prosecutors are seeking a 30-year prison sentence on murder and theft charges.

Jimenez has said he would seekto get a reduced charge by arguing that his client was in a state of emotional distress when he killed Flores. A lesser sentence would be from eight to 20 years in prison.

Police and Flores' family dispute Van der Sloot's version of her death. They say he was hard up for cash and knew the Peruvian business student had been winning at the casino.

"We hope that throughout this process our attorneys can demonstrate the true motives for the killing of my daughter," Ricardo Flores says, the AP reports.

 

[otto]

No, that isn't accurate. The accepting the plea was supposed to happen today in court. The surprise was him asking for more time at the end.

I've never seen it said that JVDS was doing this to spare the family from having to go to trial. Where did it say this? The family has been fighting to get the charges increased, I haven't seen it said they don't want a trial. Mr Flores was upset at what happened today with the trial being suspended.

It was said that he decided to make the plea to show a *sincere confession* which would get him a reduced sentence, not to spare the family a trial.

JMHO

BBM

What I wrote: "My understanding is that Joran will plead to the lesser charges and spare the family a trial."

Why I wrote it: "I think it's good for the family if this concludes rapidly," Ricardo Flores, a circus promoter and former race car driver, told the AP." (link up thread)

What I'm saying: By pleading to the lesser charges, the family will be spared the trial.


¿QUÉ SUCEDERÁ EN LA PRIMERA AUDIENCIA?
En la audiencia del viernes, que marca el comienzo del juicio oral, ambas partes, la agraviada y la de Van der Sloot, presentarán las nuevas pruebas que posean y luego la sala pondrá en conocimiento del acusado los cargos que se le imputan preguntándole si los acepta o no.

Si los asume, el Poder Judicial emitirá sentencia en aproximadamente 48 horas, pero si el holandés niega la acusación, se dará pasó a la etapa de presentación de fólderes, testigos y los alegatos, todo esto se desarrollará en diferentes sesiones.

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1356970/n...ot-deudos-insistiran-cadena-perpetua-holandes

Translation:

WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE FIRST HEARING?

At the hearing on Friday, marking the beginning of the trial, both parties, the aggrieved and the Van der Sloot, present new evidence in their possession and then the court will inform the accused of the charges against him. He will be asked whether he accepts or pleads guilty to the charges.

If Joran pleads guilty, the judiciary ruling will be issued in about 48 hours, but if the Dutchman denies the charge, the trial will go forward to the second stage with witnesses, arguments and allegations, all which will be developed in different stages.

What we saw was that in the First Hearing, Joran wanted to plead to some of the charges, but not all. He requested addtional time to consider the additional charges and was granted five additional days. I'm thinking that it must be part of the normal process for the accused to request a couple of extra days to consider the full extent of the charges laid at the First Hearing.

 

[otto]

No otto, that's not it...what is accurate is that IF he confesses, a sentence will be delivered after 48 hours.

I've posted links to the most reliable source for information, not only reliable but complete. Google translate might help, though we know many times the translation is a bit confusing.

Bottom line of what happened today in court: JvDS said he was willing to give a 'sincere confession', but he did not agree with the aggravated factors of "ferocity" and "cruelty", and requested more time to think about what was offered.

hope this helps

VIDEO and article (J's lawyer explains): http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1357511/noticia-van-der-sloot-se-considera-responsable-crimen-stephany-flores

Exactly ... if the charges are reduced, he will confess and then a sentence will be delivered in 48 hours. If the charges are not reduced, it could go either way.

The Telegraf describes his future home:

"De beruchte Challapalcagevangenis ligt in een onherbergzaam, nauwelijks te bereiken gebied dicht bij de grens met Bolivia. De gevangenis staat naast een militaire basis, op een hoogte van 4500 meter, en wordt om het ijskoude klimaat wel het ’Siberië van Peru’ genoemd."

The infamous Challapalcage Prison lies in a desolate, barely accessible area near the border with Bolivia. The prison is next to a military base at an altitude of 4500 meters, located in the icy climate of the socalled "Siberia of Peru".

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/11240786/__Joran_naar_gevreesde_inrichting__.html?sn=binnenland

 

[annalia]

No otto, you said that the victim's family doesn't favor a trial and took a quote of Mr Flores to make it appear that it was in reference to the family not favoring a trial.

That is not accurate.

And it is also not accurate that what JVDS said at the end was just part of their bargaining process.

 

[otto]

No otto, you said that the victim's family doesn't favor a trial and took a quote of Mr Flores to make it appear that it was in reference to the family not favoring a trial.

That is not accurate.

And it is also not accurate that what JVDS said at the end was just part of their bargaining process.

I want to clearly state that when I post regarding this topic, I am posting my opinion. I'm a little concerned that this is not clear.

"I think it's good for the family if this concludes rapidly," Ricardo Flores, a circus promoter and former race car driver, told the AP." (link)

From that statement, I understand that the family would like this to conclude rapidly. A plea will result in a rapid conclusion. I hope this answers your question. I did not read anything stating that Joran would plead guilty to spare the family a trial. I concluded (my opinion) that if Joran pleads guilty, the family will see this "conclude rapidly".

According to the what I've read about the trial process (see previous post regarding "First Hearing"), there is a first hearing where the accused can plead guilty to all charges. If a guilty plea is entered, then a sentence is delivered in 48 hours. If a guilty plea is not entered, then a full trial occurs.

During the first hearing, new evidence can be introduced and new charges can be added based on that new evidence. I do not think it's a stretch to believe that it is part of the process for the accused to be given a few days to formally consider whether to plead guilty to all charges.

 

[annalia]

The Flores family and their attorney have never wavered in anything they've said that they wanted, even today. They said that want nothing less than life for JVDS for what JVDS did to their child. They've said that they don't buy any of his excuses and they don't agree with the 30 year sentence.

They've said that they'll continue to fight to make sure that JVDS gets life. They've said that they want the charges increased to life in prison and are willing to argue in court for it. Mr Flores wants the process to move forward so that JVDS gets life.

Mr Flores said today that they will take part in the trial if it ensures JVDS will get life.

After all the times that they said they want the charges increased to ensure JVDS gets life, the last thing it would imply is that the Flores family wants to see him get a plea for a lesser sentence in order to get a rapid conclusion.

This is from their own heartbroken words.

JMHO

 

[otto]

The Flores family and their attorney have never wavered in anything they've said that they wanted, even today. They said that want nothing less than life for JVDS for what JVDS did to their child. They've said that they don't buy any of his excuses and they don't agree with the 30 year sentence.

They've said that they'll continue to fight to make sure that JVDS gets life. They've said that they want the charges increased to life in prison and are willing to argue in court for it. Mr Flores wants the process to move forward so that JVDS gets life.

Mr Flores said today that they will take part in the trial if it ensures JVDS will get life.

After all the times that they said they want the charges increased to ensure JVDS gets life, the last thing it would imply is that the Flores family wants to see him get a plea for a lesser sentence in order to get a rapid conclusion.

This is from their own heartbroken words.

JMHO

The link I posted quotes the family stating that they would like this to "conclude rapidly". It will be interesting to see whether the prosecution relaxes the charges to allow this to conclude rapidly or whether they will stay with the original charges, which could mean a lengthy trial.