Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #5

[krowdkat]

I could have sworn the early reports said the hotel had a COPY of his passport-not the original, but with the mixed up reporting, who knows.

I thought it was the casino who had the COPY of passport. I really think we are losing a whole lot in translation. But, it it's true that the hostel requires a hold of the passport, and Joran told the front desk to not disturb his girl or worry about cleaning up the room, and he prepaid another 14 days...then it would make sense that he wouldn't retrieve his passport from them, because they don't seem to have a clue that he was planning of fleeing Peru that fateful Sunday, May 30th.

 

[karma-girl]

He says he was absolutely not a friend of Joran, just someone he met there. Then he goes on to say he was worried that they were both kidnapped and asks the Casino owner to call Joran's room? WTH. Who does that for someone you just met, and what on earth made him assume they were both kidnapped. I didn't want to have any doubts about JVDS and this situation but there's something about this story that just doesn't make sense.


I think we are reading too much into this guy.

Joran stood this guy up twice.

This guy finds out girl seen with Joran MAY HAVE been kidnapped.

Guy thinks Joran was kidnapped with her.

Asks management to please check his room

The guy did what any one of us websleuths would have done.

BBM-lol, hmmm, this is part of our self-appointed job description...leave no stone unturned!:crazy:

 

[Patty G]

I could have sworn the early reports said the hotel had a COPY of his passport-not the original, but with the mixed up reporting, who knows.

I heard that the hotel held his passport, that is why he didn't stop at the desk to check-out. If he took his passport, then they would have gone to his room to get it ready for the next visitor. Holding the passport would assure that a foreigner would pay the hotel bill.

 

[nervous_nellie]

who knows...maybe the guy doesnt have anything to do with her murder per se, but i just have the feeling that his statement that he is NOT friends with joran is less than truthful, but maybe i would have that feeling about anyone that would associate with jvds...lol. kwim?

 

[SoCalSleuth]

Huh? My post was offensive? I do not understand why you would say that at all. I am always very careful to not be rude or offensive. All I did was tell a poster I liked the way she thinks.

I believe fransch was referring to my post. I reposted it and asked what exactly was offensive about it--but as yet no reply.

 

[md89]

I have been to Spain 3 times & each time the hotel held my passport. I was told that they have to report it to the police to check on your criminal history. Don't know if this is true; all I know is that they held my passport.

A little OT but I've also been to Spain a couple of times. They always hold your passport for some reason. Last time I forgot that they took it so on the last evening of my holiday I realised it was gone and I panicked. I thought someone had stole my passport! Eventually I wanted to report it at the lobby and the guy laughed very hard and pulled my passport out of his desk. I was so ashamed. :doh: When I told him I was so happy that I could've kissed him he laughed even harder.

 

[butterfly7]

He says he was absolutely not a friend of Joran, just someone he met there. Then he goes on to say he was worried that they were both kidnapped and asks the Casino owner to call Joran's room? WTH. Who does that for someone you just met, and what on earth made him assume they were both kidnapped. I didn't want to have any doubts about JVDS and this situation but there's something about this story that just doesn't make sense.


I think we are reading too much into this guy.

Joran stood this guy up twice.

This guy finds out girl seen with Joran MAY HAVE been kidnapped.

Guy thinks Joran was kidnapped with her.

Asks management to please check his room

The guy did what any one of us websleuths would have done.

I think the guy DOES need to be looked at. If staying at same hotel, why not just leave a message with the hotel clerk after he was stood up the first time??? If stood up twice - did they have a social planner for the week ahead of time ???

 

[SoCalSleuth]

I don't think the "mysterious poker player" is an issue. People traveling in foreign countries often hook up with other foreigners when traveling to hang out, go to dinner, etc. If someone I was hanging with twice failed to show up I would inquire about it as well.

 

[cat thief]

I believe fransch was referring to my post. I reposted it and asked what exactly was offensive about it--but as yet no reply.

Why doesn't anyone think my posts are offensive? I feel as if I'm not doing enough.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

But would Garcia be in trouble IF he knew JVDS have any type of bad intentions towards Stephany even was just robbery or something else?

I don't think so. Think of how many murders are committed in which the victim has told LE and others that he or she would be killed by a particular person. LE does not act on potential crimes, unless they can use potential conspirators in a sting (e.g., the recent case in which a woman enlisted or hired an accomplice and he turned on her and participated in a sting). it's possible that Garcia knew Joran had "bad intentions" but figured he was just out for sex or to con some money out of Stephany. It doesn't seem likely that Joran would tell a relative stranger that he had assault, robbery, rape or murder on his mind. if Garcia is telling the truth about his idea that BOTH were kidnapped, it's not likely, then, that he thought Joran was going to commit what would be a felony here in the US.

In that vein, the family's assertion that she wasn't raped is interesting. Was she resisting him when he killed her? Did he feel he had a willing partner when he went to the room, either by her implied consent in coming to the room or through a drug? Or was this one all about money?

 

[cat thief]

I don't think the "mysterious poker player" is an issue. People traveling in foreign countries often hook up with other foreigners when traveling to hang out, go to dinner, etc. If someone I was hanging with twice failed to show up I would inquire about it as well.

Especially if a girl he was hanging with was feared kidnapped.

 

[marmar]

I don't think the "mysterious poker player" is an issue. People traveling in foreign countries often hook up with other foreigners when traveling to hang out, go to dinner, etc. If someone I was hanging with twice failed to show up I would inquire about it as well.

The only part that doesn't make sense to me, is that he allegedly asked the casino owner to call Joran's room? If they were staying at the same hotel, I could see asking the front desk, or going and knocking on his door, but the casino owner? Wonder if it's one of those things that got lost in translation.

I'm going to google and see what articles I can find, maybe I mis-read.

 

[froginTtown]

I don't see why he asked the cousino owner to call either...He had VDS phone #.. Why not call himself. This is where the kidnapping sinereo starts to take form, and also mentioning that they "both" might have been kidnapped.. Why say something like that.??? How did he EVEN know what Stephanys plans were...???

 

[Nana46]

Mark Fuhrman on Fox news just now says there are bars on the rooms where Joran stayed....that ends speculation that anyone could enter from outside, at least in my opinion,lol

 

[butterfly7]

The only part that doesn't make sense to me, is that he allegedly asked the casino owner to call Joran's room? If they were staying at the same hotel, I could see asking the front desk, or going and knocking on his door, but the casino owner? Wonder if it's one of those things that got lost in translation.

I'm going to google and see what articles I can find, maybe I mis-read.

Exactly, my point. Could've even called himself (he had # on his cell) just to see if anyone answered.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

This Elton Garcia makes me suspicious to say the least...If he and Joran just met, they became very friendly quick...According to Blades, Garcia was asking to go find girls...not women, mind you..It reminds me of the whole human trafficking thing all over again..and they were staying in the same hotel to boot..I would love to know what is on Joran and his cell phone records, and how they match up.. I would also like to know what day he arrived there and how, I hope it was not by his own large boat... I wonder how long these two have REALLY known each other....THIS IS JMO...

Remember the Kalpoe brothers. Joran uses other males all the time in his pursuit of girls /women.

I'm sure both Peruvian LE and the tabloid media (go, Mark Fuhrman) will be all over this individual's history with Joran, just to be sure he isn't an accomplice. But my guess is Joran uses others to get at woman and goes on his own from there. No sign of Garcia, for example, on the released hotel video.

 

[krowdkat]

I don't see why he asked the cousino owner to call either...He had VDS phone #.. Why not call himself. This is where the kidnapping sinereo starts to take form, and also mentioning that they "both" might have been kidnapped.. Why say something like that.??? How did he EVEN know what Stephanys plans were...???

IIRC, the articles I read (posted here) stated that Garcia went to the Casino looking for JVDS and it was the Casino who told him about SR's body being found. That's when he stated they should call the Hostel and expressed concern for JVDS's safety. Then when Garcia returned to the Hostel, Peruvian police showed him surveillance video and Garcia identified Stephany at that point. They showed him pics of her deceased body. This is my understanding of the events reported.

 

[goldie finch]

Has it been established whether or not Garcia knew about Joran's past?

 

[~PrinceSSa~]

Mark Fuhrman on Fox news just now says there are bars on the rooms where Joran stayed....that ends speculation that anyone could enter from outside, at least in my opinion,lol

I don't think that was ever an option. Unless you're spiderman :crosseyed:

 

[krowdkat]

Exactly, my point. Could've even called himself (he had # on his cell) just to see if anyone answered.

There is nothing reported to indicate that he did or didn't call JVDS's cell. That's the problem we are having. Garcia very well could have called it for all we know. I know if I had dinner plans with someone and they didn't show, I would call their cell (if I had their #) to find out where they were.