Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #8

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Who wants to help start a timeline? I have some info here that maybe we can start with.

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joran_van_der_Sloot[/ame]
 
epiphany said:
HLN Live:

MikeB: The supermarket doesn't open until 9 AM. Wasn't open then.
JeanC: Saying it was convenience store next door (gas station) that he went to.
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However, Jane originally reported this morning that Joran went to the supermarket to get the coffee and Jane found out that the supermarket didn't open until 9:00 AM. I posted that video earlier today and when I heard the story about now it was the convenience store next to the gas station, I basically called Jane a few choice words. :banghead:
 
How will you keep the timeline from getting lost on a single thread type discussion? Could it be a daily sticky on the one thread we have?
 
hbone said:
Was trying to understand Joran's "confession" - of course, he says Stephany hit him first, and invaded his personal computer -
After reading the article from the link in post #59 - it now becomes clear -
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Pero si es acusado de homicidio por reacción violenta, la pena podría ser menor a cinco años . But if you are charged with manslaughter for backlash, the sentence could be below five years."

Joran's "confession" fits the manslaughter for backlash sentence in Peru - which "could be below five years."

Personally, I believe Joran is incapable of telling the truth.

He murdered this sweet Stephany and we will never know the truth about it.

Peru has handled this case well, so far. Keep it up, Peru.

Shame on Aruba and his real life, living "Godfather" who made sure, along with his father, that Joran was never prosecuted in Aruba. IDK his name, but we should find it - and he should have to answer as to why Joran was never charge in NH's disappearance.
Evidently, he was the "powers that be" at that time.
If "Godfather" and Aruba had done their part 5 years ago - we would not be here today and Stephany would still be with us.
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bolded by me.

What is "manslaughter for backlash"?
 
Patty G said:
I always wondered why no one was discussing this when I posted about it on Friday. I thought it was such an important piece of information because, IMO, this money funded Joran's trip to Peru.
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I believe there was some discussion...but if you take it a step further...look where the sting started.
 
Patty G said:
True, the extortion (sting) cetainly didn't drive him to kill, however the money made it easier to get to Peru!
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I found BH's lack of comment after the murder rather curious. Sadly this explained it. She must feel just terrible and partially responsible. I know I would feel that way. This is not a criticism of BH. I have nothing but admiration for her dogged pursuit of this monster and justice for her daughter.
 
I am not 100% convinced now that Joran's confession is because of the computer. Now that it has come out that Beth's attorney set up this sting, and Joran found out about it, it's very possible that the murder of Stephany was pay back for "screwing" with Joran.

Joran was in Peru since May 14th and then on the 5th anniversay, another murder.
 
Ok I'm confused. Can someone catch me up here. WHY were there negotiations going on between Joran and the Halloways now after all this time. What happened to start these negotiations at this time??
 
I think the laptop is the key as to motive/reason to the murder of Stephany and why she entered his room.
Both love gambling and the tables closed at 5.00 am at the casino.
They continued gambling online on Joran's laptop in his room. No sex, that would have happened shortly after they entered the room and there was no such evidence on Stephany.
Laptop was on when Joran went for coffee. If we ever see the video of that and he is wearing the same cloths, the murder had not occurred yet IMO.
Stephany got bored while waiting and started checking his personal stuff. By the time, she got to the scary stuff, he was already back and she had no time to escape. Maybe she did not believe the stuff and wanted to question him about it.
Another possibility is that he lost big time with the poker online and wanted her to cough up her credit card to finance more online gambling. She refused and he went into a rage. I do think Joran took her to his room to shake some money out of her, but not necessarily murder.
I do believe , she was murdered after he came back with coffee.
As to The Netherlands making some noises about the Peruvian treatment of Joran, well, kind of "the mouse that roared". Will have no effect of the case IMO.Just the necessary diplomatic customary BS to appease certain do-gooders in The Netherlands..
 
Roze said:
I found BH's lack of comment after the murder rather curious. Sadly this explained it. She must feel just terrible and partially responsible. I know I would feel that way. This is not a criticism of BH. I have nothing but admiration for her dogged pursuit of this monster and justice for her daughter.
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I felt the same way Roze. Everyone else in her family spoke...but not her.
 
Flow said:
As long as I'm making comments that are likely to be unpopular -

If he murdered SF, is it not equally likely that the extortion sting operation drove him to such desperate action as did the failure of Aruban officials to arrest him?
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He didn't even know about the FBI sting operation until after he had killed Stephany.
 
Patty G said:
I am not 100% convinced now that Joran's confession is because of the computer. Now that it has come out that Beth's attorney set up this sting, and Joran found out about it, it's very possible that the murder of Stephany was pay back for "screwing" with Joran.

Joran was in Peru since May 14th and then on the 5th anniversay, another murder.
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I can see your point. The FBI didn't know how sick this puppy is.
 
Patty G said:
True, the extortion (sting) cetainly didn't drive him to kill, however the money made it easier to get to Peru!
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I'm sorry I missed your post about this or just didn't "get it" at the time.

I don't think anything would justify murdering somebody, but I do wonder if the extortion sting was bungled [by citizens trying to play cops or detectives or something] and JVS got wise to it. Then he went on the run. Then SF figured out who he was and he panicked.

If some are going to blame others [FBI, Aruba, etc] for this death, there might be plenty to go [back] around. What's that old saying about three fingers pointing back at you?
 
Flow said:
I'm sorry I missed your post about this or just didn't "get it" at the time.

I don't think anything would justify murdering somebody, but I do wonder if the extortion sting was bungled [by citizens trying to play cops or detectives or something] and JVS got wise to it. Then he went on the run. Then SF figured out who he was and he panicked.

If some are going to blame others [FBI, Aruba, etc] for this death, there might be plenty to go [back] around. What's that old saying about three fingers pointing back at you?
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It's just a sad turn of events. The only one to blame is JVS.
 
RR0004 said:
I can see your point. The FBI didn't know how sick this puppy is.
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WHAT? Shall we go back over all of Joran's stories about what happened to Natalie? I would think that is enough to know Joran wasn't working with a full deck. Another thought, Natalie last seen with Joran never to be seen again. BINGO!

Beth, John Q. Kelly, the FBI and even my dog knows Joran lied in all forms. Was everyone so stupid to think Joran was going to give them information regarding Natalie? Even though Joran basically lost because he murdered Stephany, he won the other way around as he got $25,000.00 and he didn't have to lift a pinky or utter a word.
 
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