Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #9

[jilly]

:waitasec: Let me check my price list.

:floorlaugh:

 

[KR2tonenow]

Probably lost the 25k in a couple of days in Peru with Gambling!~

 

[Melanie]

I saw that too, I think these 2 met up earlier. She lied to her friends to go back to to the casino. Maybe JVDS knew she was coming back and put the GHB in the drink. I find it odd how he barely said anything and she put the drink in front of herself.

I watched the tape a couple of times. She moves the drink to the side, then it shifts to them leaving. He holds a drink in his hands, but I never see her take a drink, but leaves it on the table.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Mel

 

[Lexington]

We know that Joran was given $10,000 in cash in Aruba. An additional $15,000 was wired to his bank account in the Netherlands. I wonder if he withdrew the $15,000 so that he had $25,000 total in his possession or is the $15,000 still in the Netherlands account? Be it $10,000 or $25,000, he still has a serious gambling addiction and feeding that addiction is probably what led to the murder of Stephany.

 

[rotterdam]

I love the term "gobsmacked"! Great word for how myself, and maybe many others, felt when they turned the tv on and heard JVDS was wanted for a murder in Lima, Peru. The day this story broke I did not check my computer until late in the day, after I heard it on the tv. Gobsmacked - Yep - that is exactly what I was! Thanks for the new word!

First time I heard gobsmacked was when Susan Boyle used it. Have since added it to my vocabulary.
I bet when JVDS told Chilean LE that Peruvian LE was responsible for the murder, it resulted in a very expeditious return to Peru. LE tend to stick together when falsely accused ,even in a different country.

 

[KR2tonenow]

I watched the tape a couple of times. She moves the drink to the side, then it shifts to them leaving. He holds a drink in his hands, but I never see her take a drink, but leaves it on the table.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Mel

Right, based on the video (we really don't see the whole thing because at one point SF hair is down then when they leave, SF's hair is in a bun). I just found it weird that she moved the drink in front of herself.

Unless of course, JVDS says - here have a drink, I haven't touched it (right!).

 

[Solomisskitty]

We know that Joran was given $10,000 in cash in Aruba. An additional $15,000 was wired to his bank account in the Netherlands. I wonder if he withdrew the $15,000 so that he had $25,000 total in his possession or is the $15,000 still in the Netherlands account? Be it $10,000 or $25,000, he still has a serious gambling addiction and feeding that addiction is probably what led to the murder of Stephany.

Good point regarding the money. Not sure how wire fraud works...would the bank be wise to what was going down? Possibly a hold put on the money.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

All this drug talk. I really don't think it was him that was doing any "selling". Hard to travel throughout different countries carrying "drugs" (even if it was just a joint).

Now, he could have made a connection once he was there - so he told her "look I got a joint - wanna go somewhere?" As for the coke I guess it could have been either one of them with it. Yes, her tox tests will be interesting.

All we heard was the "wrappers" were found in her car. I looked up GHB and it usually is in liquid form - no wrappers. But you can get it in powder form. Coke is usually sold in those tiny little "ziploc" bags (1" x 2") - maybe it was those they found.

Drugs could possibly play into this - her demeanor in the lobby (head down, etc.) could be explained if they were going to his room to partake in some contraband - KWIM?

 

[Melanie]

What's cocaine going for these days?

IMHO - a completely lost sole. A life of lies leads to nowhere. Just look at Scott Peterson and Christopher Coleman. Both leading double lives.

Joran extorting money, spending it on God knows what (cocaine, hotel room, gambling).

IMHO he saw Stephany and that zip purse - and there's the answer to his money probs. Then he went ape ****e and killed her, just like the other 2 maniacs above.

MOO

Mel

 

[Patticake]

If these texts are true, then Joran went through Beth's $25,000.00 in ~2 weeks?

One of the articles on the site has Joran saying on May 25th, that his wallet had been stolen the day before with all of his credit cards and cash. He does not say how much cash.

http://tinyurl.com/24hrfbo

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[KR2tonenow]

One of the articles on the site has Joran saying on May 25th, that his wallet had been stolen the day before with all of his credit cards and cash. He does not say how much cash.

http://tinyurl.com/24hrfbo

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I know I read that. But is it true...

 

[Lexington]

I heard that Joran will now not be doing a reenactment of the murder because the Peruvian police already have enough information. I thought that a reenactment is usually done (but can be refused) in Peru and results in the perpetrator being looked at in a more favorable light as cooperating more fully, with possible reduction of jail sentence. I hope this is not the start of Joran getting special treatment.

 

[LaLaw2000]

With the sticky residue from pot, there could be remnants of it anywhere in that room....or on SFR.

Wonder if JVDS knew enough about peruvian law to shave his head- not to change his appearance, but so that hair testing would not be as accurate.
IOW, if his hair was longer, the test could show how long he had been using it, but he wants them to believe he was high that ONE night....and 'the drugs made him do it'.

Just JMO, but I think Joran changed his hair color to change his appearance, not to obscure drug use. There is still enough hair to pluck and test for drugs, IMO.

For approximately 6 years, casino employees have had the hair strand test done for employment. It does not matter if the hair is dyed and peroxide is in the dye. My sister was a pit boss at a major casino and that casino does the hair strand drug test. She has dyed her hair forever, LOL, and I have teased her about it.

OTOH, I have worked at a jail/detention center and had to be certified to drug test employees. That was done with urine drug test kits, tho. They are reliable as well. If Joran wanted to bring his drug use into the murder, then that give the Peruvian LE leeway to do a drug test, IMO.

Just as a side note, I think the Peruvian LE has done a great job. BUT, there needs to be much more value placed on a human life in that country. I wish Peru had at least LWOP.

JMO, MOO, and IMHO

 

[Patticake]

I know I read that. But is it true...

One NEVER knows with Joran.

But it can happen even with his high propensity for lying. I have known more than a few people robbed while traveling in various parts of the world.

But I am fairly certain the vast majority of it was gambled away and used for drugs. He certainly was not staying in nice hotels.

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[LilJoePinto]

The hotel had his passport and he would only get it back when he checked out. This is why he was not able to get on a plane.

He was probably thinking that instead of checking out and getting his passport, which would probably mean the hotel staff would enter the room shortly after and discover the body, he would instead just leave and go into Chile with the head start.

He couldn't have gotten into Chile without his passport and he had it with him in his belongings when the Peruvian officials were going through all of his things when he was handed over to them.

Chile requires foreigners to have a valid passport to enter the country along with a Tourist Card valid for 90 days...

http://www.chilecontact.com/en/informacion/tramites.php
Passport and obtention of a Visa -

Passport must be valid for at least 6 months. That is requiered for all foreigners who visit Chile.
A Tourist Card of 90 days is necessary for all visitors. It can be renewed for other 90 days at the migration office.

There is no indication that Hotel Tac confiscates one's passport in order to obtain the room key. In fact, in the video where he obtains his room key from the desk as he enters the hotel with Stephany he does not hand over his passport in order to get the key. He had already paid in advance for his stay therefore there is no need for them to confiscate his passport nor to have a copy of it in order to ensure payment.

Though I have read here that it seems to be common practice for hotels to confiscate the passports of their guests to ensure their hotel stay is paid up this is a violation of United Nations regulations for all countries that are members of the UN (ie, a violation of international law). Only certain government officials are permitted to confiscate a visitor's passport and only for very specific reasons like being charged with a crime.

However, confiscation of passports by hotels may be confused with voluntarily securing one's passport in the hotel's safe. It is not recommended that when a visitor in another country to roam about with their passport on their person as it can be lost or stolen creating problems in either getting out of the country or into another until it is replaced. Many guests when leaving the hotel to explore hand over their passport voluntarily for the hotel to put in their safe for safekeeping as it is also not recommened that you leave it in your unoccupied room (again, issue of possible theft) and when returning to the hotel to have their passport given back. Many other guests prefer for their passport to remain in the hotel's safe for their entire stay for safekeeping and take it back when checking out.

Hotels have security to throw out guests if they don't leave when they're paid-up stay ends and and can involve the police to have such a non-paying guest removed if necessary. It is the hotel's responsibility to ensure that no guest overstays the amount of time they paid for, but they are not legally allowed to do it by confiscating one's passport and holding it (and therefore the visitor) hostage as such practices have long been held by the UN to be a serious human rights violation akin to kidnapping for ransom.

It is also a violation of US law for a private entity anywhere in the world whether or not the country in question is a member of the UN to confiscate the passport of any US citizen.

NEVER allow any hotel or any unofficial person to confiscate your passport, and if such a thing occurs immediately contact your embassy. Confiscation of your passport literally holds you as a hostage and is a VERY big deal.

 

[Patty G]

One of the articles on the site has Joran saying on May 25th, that his wallet had been stolen the day before with all of his credit cards and cash. He does not say how much cash.

http://tinyurl.com/24hrfbo

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Yupper, I read the texts earlier at the same link; that is why I commented the way I did.

 

[LadyL]

Man, i'm so glad to be able to finally see that video of them in the casino. Thank you to whoever posted it.

She has a very distinct walk, one that I thought in the hostel video might be due to some 'influence' but now that I've seen the casino video, I think it really may just be the way she walks. I have a friend who has a similar walk and it's due to an injury when she was a child.

I'm thinking that she knew Joran prior or at least had met him at the tables and planned to come back to meet him there. How much time elapsed between her return and departure with Joran? A short period of time would indicate to me she planned to meet him for a specific purpose and not just to gamble. Maybe she loaned him money earlier and he was to repay it; maybe he offered to sell her his laptop; maybe they had a drug deal ... all these theories have already been floated.

Is she the only female in that room? That kind of gave me a creepy feeling. She seems so comfortable being there. I wish we could also see footage of her with her friends to compare & see if her behaviour looks to be any different when she's alone with Joran.

I'm glad we are finally able to see her 'changepurse' and it looked to me like she pulled out quite a wad - can anyone 'zoom' in and see the money closer?

The drink ... gonna go back and have another look at what was going on there.

 

[costalpilot]

I did a google search for Peru Newspapers, I found this, it sounds like the Peruvian police do not think his confession was "sincere".

http://translate.google.com/transla...a/seccion.php?txtSecci_id=4&txtNota_id=368851

snipped from above:


Officers found several aggravating circumstances in the investigation against Van der Sloot and established that he acted with malice and ferocity against their victim to cause death, to thus seize the money she won hours earlier that day at the Atlantic City casino , so it is facing an offense against property with subsequent death, said a source.

Proof of this is that he was not the victim found any valuables in your vehicle and not on the crime scene. And the heavy blows inflicted on his victim were not only to frighten or reduce it, but had every intention of killing her. The version that holds over the circumstances that to act with extreme violence is an alibi for the sole purpose of reducing the crime.

I'll just bet JVDS is thinking of the good old days in uba when Daddy and god Daddy just took care of everything and nobody dared to not believe HIM.

 

[Solomisskitty]

A couple of photos here I had not seen previously.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/joran_van_der_sloot_saga_rZjdM5aCqgVoJRzOcYhWWK

 

[SoCalSleuth]

I think the only truthful statement made by Joran in his confession is that he killed Stephany after she tried to leave/escape. He was in a rage that his meal-ticket was walking out the door, jmho.