Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #9

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Here is another cut of the casino video. Some of the frames are time-stamped (00:37, 00:49), which show that Stephany arrived 50 minutes after VDS. There are also some additional frames which aren't in the original video which was posted earlier.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMHWpPRZ1vw&feature=channel[/ame]
 
I wonder if he made an amended confession. This time telling the truth with the crime scene and forensics backing it up.

Doubt he will tell the truth. He learned with the NH case that changing your story over and over can let you get away with murder. In fact he admitted years ago that he lies 60% of the time. The difference now and I hope he realizes it that there is a body. Papa Sloot taught him "no body, no crime" but everything is different now.

Actually I see now why everyone in Aruba (with the exception of Jossy Mansur) was afraid to speak out against him. Hopefully now that he is in custody that will change and we can find out the truth about NH.
 
Okay, time for the alternate view. I know it's painful to reason, but please try.

First off, everything about this case is ridiculous. The "coincidences" alone are mind- boggling; exact five year anniversary of Natalee's disappearance, the convenient breaking news of Joran's "extortion" attempt the exact day he was apprehended, the curious timing that coincides with the important Kalpoe-Dr. Phil trial, set to start June 1, the day after the murder, everything apparently captured (at least the selected video snippets they show us) on a camera positioned perfectly outside Joran's room.

Then we have the relentlessly changing crime scene: no murder weapon found to baseball bat ("bombshell!" Nancy Grace exclaimed for an entire show about this) to tennis racket (really, has any murder ever been commited with a tennis racket?); body found face down, wrapped in a bloody sheet to body found face up, with arms folded; body fully clothed to body clad in t-shirt and red panties to body found face down.

There is the background of Stephany's father, an influential political figure and "circus empressario" (with a lot of unsundry connections). Flores was curiously unfettered by his daughter's murder from the outset, preferring to concentrate all his attention on the suspect, much as Beth Twitty initially focused solely on Joran. His constant references to the Holloways, even to the point of minimizing his own daughter's life by suggesting she was "sacrificed" to give the Holloways closure, were bizarre.

Stephany's brother identified the body, and graphically gave the bloody details to t.v. cameras, even to the point of detailing his sister's missing eye. The problem with that, of course, is that the new, "official" medical report seemed not to report any kind of mutilation to the face, beyond a trickle of blood from the nose (and perhaps the ear, again depending upon the source). These "mistakes" are often attributed to leaks from those who don't know the real facts; how can we explain such a gory "mistake" such as this, from the mouth of her own brother?

What happened to the stab wounds? The bloody crime scene? Do you know how hard it is for anyone-even a trained assassin-to break someone's neck?

Stephany was buried in record time- no Catholic family (and no other kind outside perhaps of some Muslims) would ever do that. We went from discovery of the body to burial in barely 24 hours. If anything, the process should have taken longer than normal, due to the unusual, highly publicized circumstances.

The key to this entire set up is the tremendous delay between approximate murder time (early Sunday morning) until discovery of the body (early Wednesday morning). Even a few of the mainstream "journalists" questioned this initially. So, scrambling for a cover story, at first we were told that Joran had instructed the hotel staff not to clean the room, because he'd be back in a few days. There was also said to be a "do not disturb" sign on the door. The video revealed that no such sign was placed on the door, so things evolved again, and we were told that Joran had instructed the hotel staff not to bother "his girl," as he paid the two back days rent he owed. Despite Nancy Grace telling her mindless, loyal viewers that Joran can be seen telling the front desk that as he checks out, a simple look at the video reveals that his lips never move as he walks past the desk on his way out of the hotel. Then, a dramatic late Tuesday night phone call is said to have alerted the staff to finally check the room (which is a lame attempt to explain the very odd, middle of the night time of discovery).

The fact remains- no hotel, or hostel, in the world operates in a such a way that someone can leave for "a few days," and expect the hotel not to clean the room in the meantime. If he returned, and the room was still available, Joran could have had it back. If not, they'd give him another one- it's not like there were any suites in the place- the rooms were very small and unimpressive. My suspicions were raised immediately when I learned the room hadn't been checked for three days.

Now the "confession." The media has bascially been preparing us for Joran's murder in the nightmarish Peru prison system. They have almost been advocating for it. In my view, this "confession" was a prelude to his death- I don't think he will live to go to trial. I hope I'm wrong, but at any rate, I don't for one second believe he legitimately confessed to anything, because I think he was framed.

This is all tied to the Holloway case. Many of those who have studied that closely believe that Beth Twitty twisted the truth repeatedly, and the Mountain Brook friends/classmates who were with Natalee that night at the bar, gave little or no information to anyone about what they saw. What mother of a missing child demands that the people with her when she left the bar not talk about what happened?

I have always felt that the answers to the Holloway case lie in Mountain Brook, not Aruba. This awfully convenient murder in Peru is an obvious attempt to finally put Joran behind bars (as Beth, Nancy Grace, Greta, Jane Velez Mitchell and everyone else in the mainstream media has long been frothing at the mouth for). There are evidently powerful interests that wish to cover up what really happened in Aruba.

This was, imho, an obvious frame up.
 
Perhaps the original document will be posted since the "Interpol Document is filtering out to the media. Could the "Interpol Document" be a supporting document to the complaint?

The supporting document is the affidavit. Generally, an affidavit is a sworn statement of events, so it's probably a blow by blow of how the sting came about and all the particulars of what occurred, when and how, who was involved.... all the really juicy bits. It was probably sworn to by whoever it was that headed the investigation. In support of the Complaint it would explain the particulars of why the charges were brought.

Unfortunately, we'll never see it since it would be the evidence used against Joran at trial... and at best such a trial isn't going to happen for a very long long time if ever.

The Interpol document is likely just a report of why it was necessary for them to be involved seeing as Joran left Aruba and was popping in and out of a number of countries. Of course, none of that matters now that he's in custody in Peru. This case is going to have to wait until Joran gets out of prison in Peru.

You know, he was really stupid to have tied the Stephany case to the Natalee case in his confession also because it would bring in this extortion and wire fraud case... all that can probably be considered at sentencing.
 
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(theres more than a few "facts" there which are not facts, ie...plenty of hotels don't clean rooms every day. )




i'm having a hard time understanding why she went to the hotel room

post 628 says the casino hand shake looks like a drug transfer, he wanted it. shes local. she gets it, gives it to him ...then they go back to the hotel to try some. tables closed. he seems like a good guy...shes gonna do a little something then head home. (she thinks)....course he doesn't care what shes got going on, he wants to play, and she doesn't. he kills her, plus shes got money. another reason to kill her.

now...hes out of there, on the run for hours. and has hours to think of an answer to the question he knows the cops will ask, why? well...its gotta be a GOOD reason, something people will understand, I mean shes dead! what could be that important to Juron? what could she possibly do that would justify a powerful reaction? what else...she invaded JURONs space.

and that makes sense to him. in part because what was the biggest event in Jurons life? Natalie Holloway.

so....... he concocts the story that sounds best to him because it features him. but its all normal Juron bs...total crap.

and it explains why she went with him, and why she just docilely followed him...good poker buds, he knows her preferences, he's charming and cool, and she averts her eyes from the desk because shes going in to do the drugs, which she isn't exactly proud of in the first place.

we're not talkin heroin here, just pot, things a great % of youths do, so I really don't think its an aspersion on her at all. don't get me wrong. I'm just trying to find something that makes sense. cause all this Juron inspired computer talk doesn't.

imo.
 
I keep pausing that video b/c the handshake looks like a handoff to me but then I watch Joran place his hand on top of his chips and don't ever see him put anything in his pocket or mouth. :waitasec:
 
I keep pausing that video b/c the handshake looks like a handoff to me but then I watch Joran place his hand on top of his chips and don't ever see him put anything in his pocket or mouth. :waitasec:

even if its not...that story makes more sense to me than, come look at my computer. and then go killer when she does it.
 
I think there must be something beyond just Beth, and her own personal reasons, for covering up what really happened to Natalee. I can ony speculate about that, but the drug trade in Aruba probably is connected in some way.

As for the Kalpoe-Dr. Phil tape, the publicity surrounding that trial should have given Beth (who maintained the Skeeters tape was legitimate, even after an independent firm had revealed it to be altered so as to implicate Deepak), the FBI (ex-agent Harold Copus was there, lied about the tape on t.v. and is still somehow a "respected" talking head on the usual suspect shows) and Dr. Phil himself (imho, his career should be over after being involved in the tampering of evidence like that) a real black eye.

I just don't accept that Joran happened to flip out (over "incriminating" evidence on his lap top- the Arubans tore up every computer associated with his family for years- what could be on there?) on the EXACT five year anniversary of Natalee's disappearance. That a supposedly long-brewing "extortion" sting happened to burst into the news on the EXACT day Joran was apprehended just makes it all the more unbelivable.

Joran obviously has issues. But this is all way too pat- imho, he was framed.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,594303,00.html

gvs transcripts from 6/9 show....
nothing we havent heard...except the mention of the "re-enactment" being cancelled because jvds's confession was so "thorough" and convincing.... this worries me a bit...

That is what I have read in several articles as well. Cancelled because the confession is so thorough and convincing (matching the wounds inflicted on her body).

I think it comes down to this, he wasn't planning to kill her when they went in the room, something that we will never know for sure set him off, and he did beat her to death in a fit of rage.

They can go to the room and he can start his story from I walked in the door, it is a tiny room, only so many places the struggle started, he can be honest about the physical part and be lying about what set the events in motion. There is no way to prove what set them in motion.

That being high is a benefit to the accused is baffling to me, that responding to a *perceived* slight by the victim reduces the sentence to a possible five years is baffling to me.

Hopefully his reputation and world spotlight will lead the judge to sentence him to the longer sentence.
 
i still just think that she didnt/wasnt going along with his program of funding either his future poker tour endeavors or for the the hotel room balance or just plain handing her cash over to him... thats what she resisted...imho... oh, and she was a better poker player - and this mad him mad, mad , mad....he wasnt able to play her like he could usually play some of the other girls in the past...again just more imho...LOL... must get coffee NOW!
 
me too. but somebody pointed out he loses the nod at leniency

still. i didnt like the explanation,

i sure hope you are right... this is the first i had read the gvs....so, you have read that this is not true? do you have a link? i just dont have time to read much more before i get myself to work...im having a hard time keeping up! :)
 
He said his credit cards were in Santiago, Chile hotel room. Correct? If you google map it, Aruba is located at the far Northern point of the map South America. Santiago, Chile is way below Lima, Peru and terribly far south from Aruba. It just didn't appear to me as if he was planning on going back to Aruba at all. Rather it seemed quite the opposite, that he was RUNNING SOUTH which speaks strongly to his guilt, IMHO. He knew that they would be looking for him for the murder and that they would expect him to go toward Aruba. So he went the opposite direction... For what reason would he have gone the opposite direction other than to escape law enforcement looking for him and why would LE be looking for him if he had no connections with and knew nothing of the murder????

Reminds me an awful lot of Scott Peterson and his red haired trip to Mexico that was really just a trip in the same 'direction' to play golf!

Very true. I don't believe he would have wanted to go to either Aruba or the Netherlands... with daddy dead he wouldn't be getting any help there, and considering all the trouble he caused Aruban officials I would think they'd be more than happy to hand him over... they have major egg on their face because of this new murder and would probably love a chance to try to redeem themselves by sending him back to face the music.

There was some speculation in one of the earlier threads that he seemed to be headed toward Argentina... I would think they would have an extradition treaty with Peru though. I'm guessing he was headed toward the sea to whatever port he thought it would be likely that he could escape to anywhere by that route to any country that he wouldn't be extradited from. Lots of last minute jobs available on freighters and other vessels to replace missing workers where no questions would be asked, and they'd probably be looking for a big strong type of guy like him.
 
Okay, time for the alternate view. I know it's painful to reason, but please try.

First off, everything about this case is ridiculous. The "coincidences" alone are mind- boggling; exact five year anniversary of Natalee's disappearance, the convenient breaking news of Joran's "extortion" attempt the exact day he was apprehended, the curious timing that coincides with the important Kalpoe-Dr. Phil trial, set to start June 1, the day after the murder, everything apparently captured (at least the selected video snippets they show us) on a camera positioned perfectly outside Joran's room.

Then we have the relentlessly changing crime scene: no murder weapon found to baseball bat ("bombshell!" Nancy Disgrace exclaimed for an entire show about this) to tennis racket (really, has any murder ever been commited with a tennis racket?); body found face down, wrapped in a bloody sheet to body found face up, with arms folded; body fully clothed to body clad in t-shirt and red panties to body found face down.

There is the background of Stephany's father, an influential political figure and "circus empressario" (with a lot of unsundry connections). Flores was curiously unfettered by his daughter's murder from the outset, preferring to concentrate all his attention on the suspect, much as Beth Twitty initially focused solely on Joran. His constant references to the Holloways, even to the point of minimizing his own daughter's life by suggesting she was "sacrificed" to give the Holloways closure, were bizarre.

Stephany's brother identified the body, and graphically gave the bloody details to t.v. cameras, even to the point of detailing his sister's missing eye. The problem with that, of course, is that the new, "official" medical report seemed not to report any kind of mutilation to the face, beyond a trickle of blood from the nose (and perhaps the ear, again depending upon the source). These "mistakes" are often attributed to leaks from those who don't know the real facts; how can we explain such a gory "mistake" such as this, from the mouth of her own brother?

What happened to the stab wounds? The bloody crime scene? Do you know how hard it is for anyone-even a trained assassin-to break someone's neck?

Stephany was buried in record time- no Catholic family (and no other kind outside perhaps of some Muslims) would ever do that. We went from discovery of the body to burial in barely 24 hours. If anything, the process should have taken longer than normal, due to the unusual, highly publicized circumstances.

The key to this entire set up is the tremendous delay between approximate murder time (early Sunday morning) until discovery of the body (early Wednesday morning). Even a few of the idiotic "journalists" questioned this initially. So, scrambling for a cover story, at first we were told that Joran had instructed the hotel staff not to clean the room, because he'd be back in a few days. There was also said to be a "do not disturb" sign on the door. The video revealed that no such sign was placed on the door, so things evolved again, and we were told that Joran had instructed the hotel staff not to bother "his girl," as he paid the two back days rent he owed. Despite Nancy Grace telling her mindless, loyal viewers that Joran can be seen telling the front desk that as he checks out, a simple look at the video reveals that his lips never move as he walks past the desk on his way out of the hotel. Then, a dramatic late Tuesday night phone call is said to have alerted the staff to finally check the room (which is a lame attempt to explain the very odd, middle of the night time of discovery).

The fact remains- no hotel, or hostel, in the world operates in a such a way that someone can leave for "a few days," and expect the hotel not to clean the room in the meantime. If he returned, and the room was still available, Joran could have had it back. If not, they'd give him another one- it's not like there were any suites in the place- the rooms were very small and unimpressive. My suspicions were raised immediately when I learned the room hadn't been checked for three days.

Now the "confession." The media has bascially been preparing us for Joran's murder in the nightmarish Peru prison system. They have almost been advocating for it. In my view, this "confession" was a prelude to his death- I don't think he will live to go to trial. I hope I'm wrong, but at any rate, I don't for one second believe he legitimately confessed to anything, because I think he was framed.

This is all tied to the Holloway case. Those who have studied that closely know that Beth Twitty lied repeatedly, and the Mountain Brook friends/classmates who were with Natalee that night at the bar, gave little or no information to anyone about what they saw. They were, in fact, coached not to by Beth and her entourage. What mother of a missing child demands that the people with her when she left the bar not talk about what happened?

I have always felt that the answers to the Holloway case lie in Mountain Brook, not Aruba. This awfully convenient murder in Peru is an obvious attempt to finally put Joran behind bars (as Beth, Nancy Grace, Greta, Jane Velez Mitchell and everyone else in the mainstream media has long been frothing at the mouth for). There are evidently powerful interests that wish to cover up what really happened in Aruba.

This was an obvious frame up.


welcome to ws!

while i can see the connections that you are making and have no way to ultimately prove/disprove them.... i have to say that jvds has never just up and does the "right" thing for the sake of others, so for him to "confess" to this story - then he was made an offer that he couldnt refuse... a really sweet deal and he took it. and not the kind of deal like they threatened him or forced him to confess... but overall i do not think this is a set up. nope. sorry.
 
I find this article interesting. The story of the two men in room was apparently initially told to the Chilean LE. Also JVDS had no clue that there were video cameras documenting his arrival and departure in the hotel. I have a feeling other versions will follow after those two to date so far. All lies ofcourse.

http://translate.google.com/transla...refox-a&hs=wlu&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official


one of the reporters (mf?) said the video screens were evident behind the desk and that J. had to know he was on TV
 
i sure hope you are right... this is the first i had read the gvs....so, you have read that this is not true? do you have a link? i just dont have time to read much more before i get myself to work...im having a hard time keeping up! :)

they reported on the NG show that the government dropped the request for a re-enactment because they "didn't need to do it." and then the TH's gave their opinions why. but i've read several places that doing the re- enactment might help in the sentencing phase.
 
I think there must be something beyond just Beth, and her own personal reasons, for covering up what really happened to Natalee. I can ony speculate about that, but the drug trade in Aruba probably is connected in some way.

As for the Kalpoe-Dr. Phil tape, the publicity surrounding that trial should have given Beth (who maintained the Skeeters tape was legitimate, even after an independent firm had revealed it to be altered so as to implicate Deepak), the FBI (ex-agent Harold Copus was there, lied about the tape on t.v. and is still somehow a "respected" talking head on the usual suspect shows) and Dr. Phil himself (this clown's career should be over after being involved in the tampering of evidence like that) a real black eye.

I just don't accept that Joran happened to flip out (over "incriminating" evidence on his lap top- the Arubans tore up every computer associated with his family for years- what could be on there?) on the EXACT five year anniversary of Natalee's disappearance. That a supposedly long-brewing "extortion" sting happened to burst into the news on the EXACT day Joran was apprehended just makes it all the more unbelivable.

Joran obviously has issues. But this is all way too pat- he was framed.


i thought that the unfortunate sf murder and jvds possible involvement sort of forced the fbi's hand in the whole extortion sting as it was going to come to light anyway with all of the commotion and prying eyes investigating the peru murder.... i think the complaint that was filed on 6/3 said that on or about 5/10 he received the money or part of it... then it was filed on 6/3???? i may not have a clear understanding of how all that went down - if so, sorry in advance... :/
 
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