POI: Carman Monaco, Jr.

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shadowraiths said:
I, personally, think the guy is full of it, and was just puffing up for the press. Basically, making stuff up to increase his sense of self-importance to the public. He even states he became suspect #1, claiming he was being tailed by LE ( link ). Yeah, ok. Whatever.

Moreover, as I've previously pointed out, he claims the caller was an "older white guy," yet alleges the caller stated, "I know where you be at." ( link ) That vernacular does not fit a middle aged white man in any way whatsoever.

And finally, the caller, who was using the victim's (Melissa Barthelemy & Maureen Brainard-Barnes) phones, seemed to be targeting the victim's female family members ( link ).

Btw, and aside, for those of you who are certain CPH is our culprit, recall, he not only spoke with Shannan's mother but called her sister, as well. ( link ) Which is arguably consistent with the killer's contact with other victim's family members. What is inconsistent is the lack of taunt.

Nonetheless, focusing purely upon the calls to Melissa's sister, we can infer this guy is someone who is a coward. Someone who tries to use intimidation tactics with what he considers to be the "weaker" of the sexes. And, of course, his taunting the sister, drawing things out, stringing her along, describing what he was doing to Melissa, before finally telling the sister that Melissa was gone, lands him squarely in the category of a sexual sadist.

Within this context, the allegations that he called the pimp, even if only once, is totally out of character, and therefore makes the pimp's story implausible, and likely, imho, a self-aggrandizing fabrication. This, of course, is jmo.

That aside, CM Jr. certainly fits the profile.

Then again, istr another individual who completely fit the profile, to a tee, in the case of drowned male college students. ( link ) Then again Timothy Bindner also fit the profile, to a tee, of the perp abducting young girls in the SF Bay area. So much so, Fairfield LE actually named him as prime suspect, and were subsequently sued for defamation of character. ( link )

All things considered, , CM Jr. may very well be more bark than bite. The biggest strike against him is how blatant he is and has been. Even so, I do hope LE takes a closer look to at the very least, rule him in/out.
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shadowraiths,

I respect your opinion, but I'm not too quick to completely dismiss Johnny Terry's report.

Firstly, I don't think he was just puffing himself up for the press because he said that he reported these calls to police. This leads me to believe that they actually occurred and that these calls are not merely a complete fabrication.

Secondly, you argued that the statement "I know where you be at" is not indicative of the vernacular of a white male. I agree, but realize that Johnny Terry is from the Bronx, and probably is not a white male himself. He probably talks like this, as many in the Bronx would. The way I interpreted this is that the caller probably said "I know where you live" or "I know where to find you", and Johnny Terry, upon recounting the story to the reporter, stated that the caller said "I know where you be at." The reporter took the statement down verbatim, and it is ambiguous whether or not the caller said that or this is just Johnny Terry's vernacular. I think its reasonable to assume that if indeed the caller had said it exactly like that, then Johnny Terry may not have so easily ascertained that it was "a white guy" on the other end of the line.

The whole "I know where you are" concept is strikingly similar to Carman Monaco Jr.'s statements:

On Dec. 4, 2004, he called Campbell, Hashagen and McDade to warn Campbell that if she went to the EAB ceremony, he would be there.

"I will be in the crowd," he said. "I will dump her in Manorville with all the rest of the *advertiser censored*."

As far as age, Johnny Terry didn't say "older" white guy with respect to the caller (he did with respect to the john). Regarding the caller, he just said "white guy". Amanda Barthelemy was the one who stated "older white guy" with respect to the caller. I've discussed on this thread previously that according to studies, people are generally very accurate when guessing age based purely on telephone voice. This is especially so when there are broad age categories to choose from, such as "younger, adult and older". Given that Amanda used the word "older", I think its reasonable to say that the SK is over say 40 years old.

Also, as far as intimidation of what he considers the "weaker" sex, I don't necessarily disagree. But let me point out that Carman Monaco Jr. threatened men, too.

"On Feb. 16, 2004, Monaco called News 12 anchor Doug Geed and warned him, "Stay off 'Long Island Extra.' I want Danielle Campbell to do 'Long Island Extra.' " He then threatened to "cut off" Campbell's breasts."

As far as the police follow-up with Johnny Terry on his offer to show him some john's house, I think its reasonable to assume that police were already aware of her regular customer on LI. They had probably already interviewed the john and decided he was just that - a regular customer or sugar daddy. It is very common for erotic dancers to have sugar daddies that have good relationships with them and take care of them financially, and I assume the same is true for online escorts. There was no need for police to follow-up on that particular "lead" since they already had ruled the guy out for one reason or another.

I also disagree that the SG "rehab" call somehow may provide any insight into the SK. First of all, there's a serious debate about whether or not Shannan even died from a homicide at all - a debate we do not have with respect to Melissa Barthelemy. Since this thread isn't meant to discuss SG, let me just refer to post #403 over here regarding the rehab call you mentioned:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157685&page=17

In the end, I just don't think there's enough to completely dismiss this report by Terry as false or useless. While I agree that taking the word of a person who was described by law enforcement as a pimp cannot and should not be blindly relied upon, I feel that there is enough credibility to this report to discuss them in the context of the calls to Amanda as well as the calls placed by Carman Monaco Jr.
 
TruthSpider, and anybody else:

Can someone make their way to the Bronx?

I'd like to get the documents from the civil court case in the Bronx.

Note: "The Civil Court of the City of New York is a court of record. This means that it maintains records of civil actions and proceedings. Any member of the public, whether he or she is involved in an action or not, has the right to examine or copy a record, if it has not been sealed."

You'll need this Index#: TS-300302-07/BX

It was a 12th Judicial District case. You can find the case by searching for the defendant Carman Monaco here: http://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/webcivilLocal/LCSearch

Here's the address that you'll need to get to in the Bronx:
http://www.nycourts.gov/courts/nyc/civil/locations_civil.shtml#bronx

Here's the reports page that describes the info available: http://www.nycourts.gov/courts/nyc/civil/creditreports.shtml

You'll probably want to go to Basement Window #6:
http://www.nycourts.gov/courts/nyc/civil/locations_civil.shtml#bronx

Documents of interest are:
1) Initial complaint (or whatever that's called in Civil Court) filed by the plaintiff against Carman Monaco Jr.
2) Motions filed by either party
3) Any discovery motions or documents
4) Anything else you can find


I'm really trying to get a confirmation on where Carman worked in 2007-2009, and what his job was.
 
OK, so a fellow sleuther (TruthSpider) decided to go over and visit Carman Monaco Jr. I'm providing the links to those discussions here since they were posted on a separate thread.

Beginning with post# 148 on this page:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134804&page=6

And then continuing:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134804&page=7
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134804&page=8


Unfortunately this poster has so far provided no information about what was said.
 
Everyone, Please try and be respectful and keep in mind the reason we are all here.
This forum is victim friendly. We have 10 bodies disposed of on LI. We are all trying to get to the bottom of this mystery.

This bickering is NOT cool! Geesh!! We are above this y'all! Please refer to TOS regarding sleuthing WS members.

BIG MOO

wm

Rant over....wm shakes head and walks away...good heavens.
 
To my knowledge, LE has never said that Jane Doe 9098 is the perp's first victim.

If somebody can find a MSM article that states otherwise, please post the link.
 
Speaking of confusion, some people insist on calling Meaghan Waterman's mother Ela Waterman.

Her name is Lorraine Ela.
 
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Sue
 
WhiteLilly said:
Speaking of confusion, some people insist on calling Meaghan Waterman's mother Ela Waterman.

Her name is Lorraine Ela.
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I've seen many news articles refer to her as just Ela, so I assume she goes by that name.

Here's an example. Here's another example.

I also believe its spelled Megan, not "Meaghan."
 
http://www.funtrivia.com/en/subtopics/New-York-State-Parkway-System-280217.html
Ocean Parkway allows trucks along its entire length which is unique to the roads of the NY parkway system. Some parkways do allow trucks, but only over limited lengths, such as the last section upon entering a park (parkways are often the only access to some parks).




It may be possible that the Nassau County police detectives that arrested Carman in 2004 could place Carman at Ocean Parkway as he drove his delivery route. The only other options to get to Brooklyn, Queens and Manhattan are the Long Island Expressway (LIE) or Sunrise Highway. Southern State Pkwy. and Northern State Pkwy. don't allow commercial traffic.

Of the two East/West roads that commercial traffic might take, Sunrise Highway is heavy stop and go traffic, and LIE is on the north shore and turns into a parking lot at rush hour.

Ocean Parkway would have extremely light traffic and might make the most sense for a Suffolk County truck driver making local deliveries in Manhattan, Queens and Brooklyn.

Taking Ocean Parkway to Long Beach to Cross Bay Blvd. in Brooklyn would make the most sense in the world.

If police detectives observed him traveling this route, it could place him passing the Gilgo Beach dump site in 2003 when Jessica Taylor's torso was found in Manorville.
 
inspctrgadget said:
http://www.funtrivia.com/en/subtopics/New-York-State-Parkway-System-280217.html
Ocean Parkway allows trucks along its entire length which is unique to the roads of the NY parkway system. Some parkways do allow trucks, but only over limited lengths, such as the last section upon entering a park (parkways are often the only access to some parks).




It may be possible that the Nassau County police detectives that arrested Carman in 2004 could place Carman at Ocean Parkway as he drove his delivery route. The only other options to get to Brooklyn, Queens and Manhattan are the Long Island Expressway (LIE) or Sunrise Highway. Southern State Pkwy. and Northern State Pkwy. don't allow commercial traffic.

Of the two East/West roads that commercial traffic might take, Sunrise Highway is heavy stop and go traffic, and LIE is on the north shore and turns into a parking lot at rush hour.

Ocean Parkway would have extremely light traffic and might make the most sense for a Suffolk County truck driver making local deliveries in Manhattan, Queens and Brooklyn.

Taking Ocean Parkway to Long Beach to Cross Bay Blvd. in Brooklyn would make the most sense in the world.

If police detectives observed him traveling this route, it could place him passing the Gilgo Beach dump site in 2003 when Jessica Taylor's torso was found in Manorville.
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I don't think that's correct. I'm pretty sure that you are only allowed on OP if you are making local deliveries


https://www.dot.ny.gov/programs/repository/Parkways brochure text.txt

NO COMMERCIAL VEHICLES, INCLUDING TRACTOR TRAILERS, ARE PERMITTED ON THESE DOWNSTATE NEW YORK PARKWAYS:

Long Island
- Bethpage State Parkway (Nassau County)
- Heckscher Parkway (Suffolk County)
- Loop Parkway (Nassau County)
- Meadowbrook State Parkway (Nassau County)
- Northern State Parkway (Nassau and Suffolk counties)
- Ocean Parkway (Nassau and Suffolk counties)
- Robert Moses Causeway (Suffolk County)
- Sagtikos Parkway (Suffolk County)
- Sunken Meadow Parkway (Suffolk County)
- Southern State Parkway (Nassau and Suffolk counties)
- Wantagh State Parkway (Nassau County)
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dcgrumpy said:
I don't think that's correct. I'm pretty sure that you are only allowed on OP if you are making local deliveries
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I think you're right. It looks like there's an exemption by law for parkways south of Sunrise Highway that allows commercial traffic, but there appears to be a subsequent requirement for "local deliveries only". I wonder when this "local delivery only" rule kicked in, or if its always been like that since the parkway was built. I also wonder if you were coming from Suffolk and had a delivery to make in Long Beach or Far Rockaway, would that allow you to use the parkway?

Anybody willing to inquire about the restrictions might contact the following:

New York State
Department of Transportation
Region 10
Long Island
In Nassau and
Suffolk Counties
Phone: (631) 952-6022
 
Please remember to add your MSM, LE Links and timelines here, so they are all in one place: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6322925#post6322925"]NY-LI- MSM and Timeline Here NO DISCUSSION - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

Thanks!

Salem
 
inspctrgadget said:
dcgrumpy said:
I don't think that's correct. I'm pretty sure that you are only allowed on OP if you are making local deliveries.
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I think you're right. It looks like there's an exemption by law for parkways south of Sunrise Highway that allows commercial traffic, but there appears to be a subsequent requirement for "local deliveries only". I wonder when this "local delivery only" rule kicked in, or if its always been like that since the parkway was built. I also wonder if you were coming from Suffolk and had a delivery to make in Long Beach or Far Rockaway, would that allow you to use the parkway?

Anybody willing to inquire about the restrictions might contact the following:

New York State
Department of Transportation
Region 10
Long Island
In Nassau and
Suffolk Counties
Phone: (631) 952-6022
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AFAIK local deliveries means that you have no choice but to use that road. Using it as a shortcut would get you a ticket.

I've seen those signs for at least 20 years. I don't recall ever seeing trucks on OP.
 
Is anyone willing to work with this company to try and get a photocopy of the Nassau County court file from Carman Monaco Jr.'s arrest and conviction?

http://primetimeprocessors.com/


Also, is anyone willing to work with this group to get the court file for his Bronx NY civil court case?

http://www.dlsny.com/services.asp



I would expect each would cost about $100-$150. Probably $50 for the initial retrieval plus $0.50 per page for copying/scanning. My guess is that you can set a budget.

Let me know and I can assemble the court info you'll need.
 
Since Carman Monaco is not a POI in this case, I don't understand why we are allowed to sleuth him. I am completely satisfied by now that he is not involved in this case and that continuing along these lines is causing a lot of bickering. It is stopping the flow of productive discussion IMO.
 
Redbird said:
Since Carman Monaco is not a POI in this case, I don't understand why we are allowed to sleuth him. I am completely satisfied by now that he is not involved in this case and that continuing along these lines is causing a lot of bickering. It is stopping the flow of productive discussion IMO.
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He was mentioned by MSM as being related to this case. Please see post #1 of this thread. He was questioned by Suffolk police in relation to the Manorville murders.

You are entitled to your opinion about whether or not Mr. Monaco is a person worthy of sleuthing, or whether you think its a waste of time. I personally believe all posts about SG are a waste of time, but I still participate in them.

I do not believe that discussing Mr. Monaco in any way stops the flow of productive discussion. I also don't believe we know enough about Mr. Monaco to become satisfied that he is not involved. In fact, the little that we do know about him leads me to believe that he should be a prime suspect.

Please, if anyone can get the court file I asked for in the above posts, please let me know.
 
inspctrgadget said:
He was mentioned by MSM as being related to this case. Please see post #1 of this thread. He was questioned by Suffolk police in relation to the Manorville murders.

You are entitled to your opinion about whether or not Mr. Monaco is a person worthy of sleuthing, or whether you think its a waste of time. I personally believe all posts about SG are a waste of time, but I still participate in them.

I do not believe that discussing Mr. Monaco in any way stops the flow of productive discussion. I also don't believe we know enough about Mr. Monaco to become satisfied that he is not involved. In fact, the little that we do know about him leads me to believe that he should be a prime suspect.

Please, if anyone can get the court file I asked for in the above posts, please let me know.
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Hi Inspector,
I'm not able to help with the court file, alas...I do think you have a legit POI in cmj - Do we know where he is now? or where he has been? I would hope that LE is watching him since they questioned him about Manorville, but you never know... tia
btw, I thought you were great on W/S radio!
 
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