Poll: Did Casey Really Keep Caylee in the Trunk Before Caylee Died?

[Tuffy]

The question that still has me wondering is:

Where did Casey (and Caylee) go during those two years that Casey had a faux job and a faux nanny? I know she claimed that she did some work from home, but weren't there days when she appeared to be leaving for work?

Is is possible that they spent most of their time at the house and that the Anthonys didn't notice the condition of the house when they came home from work? Is it possible that they went out and bounced from friend's house to friend's house despite the fact that most of her friends were working or going to school and would likely notice that Casey seemed to hang around an awful lot? Did she spend her days at the park or shopping? It's mind-boggling.

Whatever Casey was doing during all those "work" days, it would have become tricky to maintain a low profile during those times so that people wouldn't become suspicious of her employment status. And how the heck do you achieve that with a very young child? A kid is not like a mini chihuahua you can pop into your handbag on a whim - they need supervision, toys, food, entertainment. What was happening during those two years leading up to June 2008?

I had previously thought that maybe she regularly "knocked out" little Caylee via some means (meds, chloroform) and hid her in the trunk, since a child left in the passenger area of a parked car would be noticed by passersby. With the baby asleep and out of sight, Casey would have had much more freedom to do her own thing, whatever that was, during the daytimes when she was supposedly at work. But considering the Florida heat and the possibility of over-dosing the child, that solution doesn't seem realistic over a period of years. So I am stumped as to where Caylee really was when she was "with Zanny/the babysitter/the nanny" all those years, when Casey had no income to pay for a sitter and no job in the first place.

Casey had people that watched Caylee. I think that's why she kept up the premise of having a job for so long. People were willing to watch Caylee so Casey could continue to work.

She had the Grunds for a while, and then Lauren, and George and Cindy. I think it was very seldom that Casey was "stuck" with Caylee. I believe it was only those last few months that I think she needed to pretend she had a nanny. I think she was spending a lot of time away from home (at Ricardo's) and told Cindy about Zanny, so that Cindy wouldn't know about Ricardo.

 

[Chewy]

This is a bit frustrating because we are continually seeing a long debate as to whether KC left Caylee in the car as a "babysitting" device on a regular basis. However I'm not sure why so many people need it to be a long term thing or not at all. Plenty of women have left their children in their cars while they went to work, went drinking, went to casinos or went shopping. Some of them seemed to think that if it was at night it wouldn't be that big of a deal. And the kids died.

If Caylee fell asleep and was doped out by KC and KC was drunk, it is not unreasonable for her to have thought she could get away with putting her in the trunk and coming back later. If she came back and Caylee was dead KC could have been concerned about getting in major trouble and looking like a vile human being in front of her friends. If she called the cops about it they would know that she did it to go out and get drunk and party. So she concocts this story about the baby sitter and plans to have it look like a kidnapping.

Some of the assumptions that have been made in this forum and in commentary on other sites are baffling to me. That NO ONE puts duct tape over the mouth of a dead body. So because it has never been done before it means KC 100 percent didn't do it? Please! She obviously wanted it to look like an abduction and slapped on the duct tape.

 

[darkpassenger]

Till now it baffles me that people can't seem to grasp this simple concept!:banghead:

It's definitely not that I cannot grasp a simple concept. Just like I do not rely on Megan's law maps to "keep my child safe", every offender has a first offense, and my child might be my nice next door neighbor who isn't a sex offender's first offense if I only rely on that map.

Casey could have done months of research on how to use chloroform and never needed to use it, until she wanted to go to blockbuster and have secks with TL.

However, what other people can't "seem to grasp" is that you don't "babysit" a child with "neck breaking" and "household weapons", so I don't think she was looking for chloroform as a mechanism to "babysit" her child, I think she is a cold-blooded murderer and was not planning to get rid of her child TEMPORARILY, she was looking for a PERMANENT solution.

 

[Chewy]

It's definitely not that I cannot grasp a simple concept. Just like I do not rely on Megan's law maps to "keep my child safe", every offender has a first offense, and my child might be my nice next door neighbor who isn't a sex offender's first offense if I only rely on that map.

Casey could have done months of research on how to use chloroform and never needed to use it, until she wanted to go to blockbuster and have secks with TL.

However, what other people can't "seem to grasp" is that you don't "babysit" a child with "neck breaking" and "household weapons", so I don't think she was looking for chloroform as a mechanism to "babysit" her child, I think she is a cold-blooded murderer and was not planning to get rid of her child TEMPORARILY, she was looking for a PERMANENT solution.

If you took my googles over the last year I would look like a full on lunatic based on my searches. I don't think looking up neck breaking is a sign that she wanted to break her neck. That's a little dumb isn't it?


KC had a swimming pool in the back yard. If she wanted to murder her kid she could have done it in less than 10 minutes and freaked out 911 call, hysterical crying, the whole nine yards. People whose kids drown in their pools are not charged with murder. The idea that she'd want to "break her neck" instead is a bit much.


And even if she did want a permanent solution it doesn't change the fact that she put her in the car in the FETAL POSITION as has been pointed out. She obviously put her in the car before she died.

 

[darkpassenger]

If you took my googles over the last year I would look like a full on lunatic based on my searches. I don't think looking up neck breaking is a sign that she wanted to break her neck. That's a little dumb isn't it?


KC had a swimming pool in the back yard. If she wanted to murder her kid she could have done it in less than 10 minutes and freaked out 911 call, hysterical crying, the whole nine yards. People whose kids drown in their pools are not charged with murder. The idea that she'd want to "break her neck" instead is a bit much.


And even if she did want a permanent solution it doesn't change the fact that she put her in the car in the FETAL POSITION as has been pointed out. She obviously put her in the car before she died.

If you put a dead child into a hamper bag, the body would crumple. The way a body naturally collapses is into the fetal position. If it bent the other way, there would be much resistance and it would break the bones. So I don't see how that is proof that the body was put into the trunk while it was alive. If there was little trace evidence in the trunk I believe that suggests the body was in the hamper bag at that point. Once it started leaking she cleaned the trunk, which explains the "grave wax" on the paper towel in the trash. The body may or may not have been in a plastic bag at that point.

I have googled strange things, but I don't think any of the things I google could ever be explained as mechanisms to murder my child. What plausible explanation is there for googling "Neck breaking"? Keep in mind the other searches at this time were: chloroform, chloroform recipes, making chloroform and shovel. It's not like she was googling "Neck Breaking" in succession with "Symptoms of a broken neck", "neck injuries", "Neck Pain", "Treating neck pain", etc. They are part of a pattern, IMO.

And I don't appreciate "That's a little dumb" comments. No, it is not dumb to think that someone that murdered their child was looking for ways to murder their child. It would be dumb if I was talking about a great mother with a living child and no history of abuse. But we aren't, we are talking about a cold and callous woman who murdered her child and then ran around Orlando celebrating for 31 days.

 

[Chewy]

The little dumb comment was aimed at KC not you. Sorry about that.


She didn't break her neck? So it's not relevant.

Back to the swimming pool sitting right there, and even bolstered by her new assertion that Caylee drowned in the pool. I don't think KC is very smart but she's not dumb enough not to realize that she could have dropped her kid in the middle of the pool and let her drown and then call 911 and get away with it right?

I mean how dumb is she to think of breaking her kids neck and think she could get away with all of this when the simplest solution is right there. Kids die in pools every year.


Seems pretty obvious to me that some of her googling was just googling.

Evidence shows that Caylee was in the car. Evidence shows that she lied about her whereabouts.

Either she killed her on purpose with the duct tape or she accidentally killed her and tried to cover it up.


I don't care either way because she needs to go to jail for a long time based on the fact of the number of lives she's destroyed in the process including Zenaida Gonzales. She's pathological and I have no sympathy for her.

But she did not break the kids neck. So the fact that she looked it up on the computer is irrelevant.

 

[Ssejors]

My wonder is if ICA had used the trunk EVEN JUST ONCE prior to Caylee dying, possibly in the spring when it wasnt as hot.

Then, her big BB night with TL comes rolling around and again she has no one to watch Caylee and tries it again. This time with Caylee dying. She puts her in the trunk, heads out to blockbuster with TL and then spends the night with him. Her anger with Caylee and Cindy and her need to be with TL are enough for her to leave Caylee in the trunk all night this time as opposed to just a few hours. Those few hours in mid june are enough to kill Caylee.

Perhaps when ICA was in Blockbuster, her assumtion was caylee was going to be just fine and she would spend the night with TL and take her out of the trunk in the morning and no harm no foul. Except she finds her dead. So there is nearl 24hours in the trunk already. Then almost 2 more days go by while ICA has to figure out how to handle it. Tell her folks? Call the cops? Frame someone? Fake a kidnapping? Maybe she took her BACK to tha A's yard and TRIED to make it look like she drown, but with Rigimortis... and the pool.. Try getting a body out of the bottom of a swimming pool once rigor has set in. Maybe she ATTEMPTED the drowning COVER UP only to realize it was futile. Back in the trunk she goes.

But it would only have take one successful night of trunksitting for ICA to try the trunk out again. This time it was deadly.

 

[LinasK]

She didn't break her neck? So it's not relevant.

Back to the swimming pool sitting right there, and even bolstered by her new assertion that Caylee drowned in the pool. I don't think KC is very smart but she's not dumb enough not to realize that she could have dropped her kid in the middle of the pool and let her drown and then call 911 and get away with it right?

I mean how dumb is she to think of breaking her kids neck and think she could get away with all of this when the simplest solution is right there. Kids die in pools every year.


Seems pretty obvious to me that some of her googling was just googling.

Evidence shows that Caylee was in the car. Evidence shows that she lied about her whereabouts.

Either she killed her on purpose with the duct tape or she accidentally killed her and tried to cover it up.


I don't care either way because she needs to go to jail for a long time based on the fact of the number of lives she's destroyed in the process including Zenaida Gonzales. She's pathological and I have no sympathy for her.

But she did not break the kids neck. So the fact that she looked it up on the computer is irrelevant.

Perhaps not, because if you delve further into this case, it was hypothesized that George & Cindy were her intended victims. She told Amy that she could move into the house with just her, and was texting similar things to Tony just days before the big weekend that Caylee died.

 

[Chewy]

My wonder is if ICA had used the trunk EVEN JUST ONCE prior to Caylee dying, possibly in the spring when it wasnt as hot.

Then, her big BB night with TL comes rolling around and again she has no one to watch Caylee and tries it again. This time with Caylee dying. She puts her in the trunk, heads out to blockbuster with TL and then spends the night with him. Her anger with Caylee and Cindy and her need to be with TL are enough for her to leave Caylee in the trunk all night this time as opposed to just a few hours. Those few hours in mid june are enough to kill Caylee.

Perhaps when ICA was in Blockbuster, her assumtion was caylee was going to be just fine and she would spend the night with TL and take her out of the trunk in the morning and no harm no foul. Except she finds her dead. So there is nearl 24hours in the trunk already. Then almost 2 more days go by while ICA has to figure out how to handle it. Tell her folks? Call the cops? Frame someone? Fake a kidnapping? Maybe she took her BACK to tha A's yard and TRIED to make it look like she drown, but with Rigimortis... and the pool.. Try getting a body out of the bottom of a swimming pool once rigor has set in. Maybe she ATTEMPTED the drowning only to realize it was futile. Back in the trunk she goes.

But it would only have take one successful night of trunksitting for ICA to try the trunk out again. This time it was deadly.

I think this is an excellent observation and I didn't think of the fact that she may have tried it during a time when the weather was better.


I totally get this vibe from the whole thing. Those that suggest she was planning to kill her have me baffled. What kind of murder plan includes not reporting your kid missing for 31 days and hiding the body in the trunk where the smell grows.

Anyone who has ever watched a crime show knows they can trace where a dead body was. AND her father was a cop.

I just think it's way too much of a stretch. Either KC is the dumbest person on the planet or she didn't do it that way.


Your version makes much more sense, especially with the inclusion of her doing it another time when the weather was not as hot.

Her actions look like someone who got blind sided with a dead body. She freezes and doesn't have to do anything right away because Caylee is so little her absence is not picked up by anyone. So she creates the story of the kidnapping Nanny, she duct tapes the mouth to make it look like a kidnapping.

I agree that she took her home to make it seem like she drowned in the pool. But realized she wouldn't get away with it because the rigamortis had set in and she was pretty much hopeless.

The whole story reeks of someone trying to figure out what to do with an unexpected dead body.

Not a premeditated murder. (Not that I would put it passed her to do that, I just don't think the facts add up.)

 

[Chewy]

Perhaps not, because if you delve further into this case, it was hypothesized that George & Cindy were her intended victims. She told Amy that she could move into the house with just her, and was texting similar things to Tony just days before the big weekend that Caylee died.

Again, George and Cindy were not murdered and Caylee didn't have her neck broken. I'm not a fan of hypothetical arguments, I like things based on what the evidence actually shows.


IMHO the evidence shows exactly what happened. There's no confusion in my mind at all. All the other stuff seems just gossip spun out.

She killed her kid, accidentally or not, and she spent a month trying to figure out how to get away with it.

 

[darkpassenger]

The chats she had with AR were in May and talking about how little he had seen her in the previous weeks. I think this might have been the first time she was confronted with someone who wasn't willing to accommodate her schedule and the needs she had as a single mother. From all accounts it seems that JG and RM were both very open to Caylee and even enjoyed her presence. So, I think maybe the idea of disposing of Caylee first crossed her mind then. I think that she was casually searching for different ways to get rid of her problem.

I agree with you about her letting Caylee drown in the pool, or any way that would make it seem like it was a legitimate accident. I think she didn't want the wrath Cindy and George would have brought on her for being so negligent. She already resented that they thought she wasn't a very responsible parent and didn't want to give them more ammunition.

Also, I don't think she was much of a planner. I think she was very impulsive and didn't really think of the negative consequences to her actions. I think she honestly thought she was such a great liar that CA would never figure out that Caylee was missing, they would never find the body, and she could go along with her life like nothing happened.

I think good evidence of this is how she so blatantly lied to YM and JA about ZFG and working at Universal. Any normal person would have thought "They will eventually find out I'm making this up", but I don't think that thought occurred to her.

I think she was just so narcissistic that she only thought of how an accidental death would have made her look, and not how it would be easier to get away with.

All of her other lies made her look better as well, it made her look responsible to her parents and cool to her friends.

 

[Ssejors]

I think this is an excellent observation and I didn't think of the fact that she may have tried it during a time when the weather was better.


I totally get this vibe from the whole thing. Those that suggest she was planning to kill her have me baffled. What kind of murder plan includes not reporting your kid missing for 31 days and hiding the body in the trunk where the smell grows.

Anyone who has ever watched a crime show knows they can trace where a dead body was. AND her father was a cop.

I just think it's way too much of a stretch. Either KC is the dumbest person on the planet or she didn't do it that way.


Your version makes much more sense, especially with the inclusion of her doing it another time when the weather was not as h
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Her actions look like someone who got blind sided with a dead body. She freezes and doesn't have to do anything right away because Caylee is so little her absence is not picked up by anyone. So she creates the story of the kidnapping Nanny, she duct tapes the mouth to make it look like a kidnapping.

I agree that she took her home to make it seem like she drowned in the pool. But realized she wouldn't get away with it because the rigamortis had set in and she was pretty much hopeless.

The whole story reeks of someone trying to figure out what to do with an unexpected dead body.

Not a premeditated murder. (Not that I would put it passed her to do that, I just don't think the facts add up.)

I agree with you 100%

She is evil, cold, callous, vengefull and a sociopath. But I dont think she INTENDED to kill the child. I dont think it really IMPACTED her, and I dont think she really thought too much through. It LOOKs, imho, to be an accident that she covered up. Not an intentional DEATH that she covered up. If she WANTED caylee dead, she simply could have hucked her in the pool, let her drown then called 911, as others have suggested. If she really wanted her out of the way and didnt want to get in trouble for it...

But instead, she EFFED up. She left the child in the trunk, she died, and ICA had a dead body to deal with... And those 2.6 days, were when ICA was scrambling to figure out what to do. She spends 24 hours in the trunk.. ICA spends the morning of the 16th in bed with TL. She most likely didnt go check on her at any point, if she had she would not have gone back to BED with TL. She STAYED in bed with TL. She didnt get up in the morning and go check on her. She figured she was fine. so 24 hours goes by, rigor sets in, baby starts decomposing, ICA takes the car and Caylee home, thinks to herself that an accidental drowning is likely, hauls Caylee out of the trunk, sets her down in the yard, and in the struggle to get the child into the pool, realizes that she will have to get her OUT of the pool. Realizes that a baby who JUST drown wont be in rigor mortis, and would have WATER in her lungs. Realizes that its not plausible. Borrows a shovel... Thinks she will bury her in the back yard and just hide her.. Realizes THAT isnt plausible.. mom and dads dogs will dig her up and how stupid is it to bury the kid in the back yard. might as well put an I DID IT sign on her forehead. Decides the best way to take care of business is some duct tape from the garage, and stage a kidnapping.

THIS IS WHY I THINK SHE PLACED THAT HEART STICKER THERE. It was an accident.. An accident caused by hiding Caylee in the trunk. NOT an accidental drowning. But an accident none the less. But then we have ICA who is completely cold and covering her own butt. Trying her best to ensure that SHE is not the one responsible. I think she loved that child, but i think she loved herself more than she loved Caylee.


Riddle me this batman..

If ICA and CA got into a fight on the 15th, why would she wait till the 16th to kill Caylee. Her rage and anger and hater would have subsided by then. She would have had time to calm down from the fight. You dont WAIT to kill someone out of rage. You do it right then and there when you are at your most angriest. I could see her killing Caylee within minutes of getting into a fight with her mom, leaving the house and then having a fit and taking it out on Caylee, but not the next morning.


Im all over the place. I have too many theories and I have previously thought that she did indeed kill Caylee to get back at her mother. But I dont know anymore.

I'm more leaning towards an accident than an intentional murder.
But that in no way excuses her lies, and her behavior. If she had any brains, she would have called 911 IMMEDIATELY after feining the kidnapping. Right after the duct tape and dumping her in the swamp. Then atleast it would have been plausible that she was kidnapped. Instead she thought, for some screwy reason, that she could lie her way out of it...


Either way, this is consuming me and I dont care whether it was intentional or not, I think she needs the dp.

My gf asked me what good that would serve. I told her it would only serve to make me happy, knowing that she and I were not breathing the same air, knowing she wasnt allowed the luxury of life.

I think i would have a completely different opinion if she had called the cops as soon as she discovered the accident. If she found Caylee dead in her trunk (or pool) and called the cops, and admitted that she Effed up.. then i might have sympathy. but instead, SHE, ICA and her freedom, and getting away with it, was and is more important. I couldnt live with my self if anything happened to one of my kids which resulted in death. I would rather suffer for eternity in jail, having admitted my own fault, than let that babies life go disrespected and ignored.


rant done

 

[Chewy]

The other evidence adds up to this as well. She left her car in a parking lot. She might have thought that someone would steal the car and then she could blame the dead body in the trunk on the person who stole it. The person would have already have committed a crime by stealing the car. She could then stage it as a car jacking and claim that the baby was in the car when they took it. But she needed to wait for it to be stolen.

Instead she was towed and they called her father. So now that's out. But when the car is picked up the body is in the trunk. What does she do now?

She can't take the body out and the smell is so strong.


She screwed up big time. However she was willing to let an innocent person go to jail for her crime, possibly for life, possibly the death penalty.

I also agree it doesn't seem like an act of rage. It seems like an act of total negligence. She should have just given her daughter to her parents.

The thing is if she was honest about the way it played out it would like a dumb young woman who did a dumb thing. It would be tragic. She'd probably get parole. Now she's toast.

 

[Themis]

I think this is an excellent observation and I didn't think of the fact that she may have tried it during a time when the weather was better.


I totally get this vibe from the whole thing. Those that suggest she was planning to kill her have me baffled. What kind of murder plan includes not reporting your kid missing for 31 days and hiding the body in the trunk where the smell grows.

Anyone who has ever watched a crime show knows they can trace where a dead body was. AND her father was a cop.

I just think it's way too much of a stretch. Either KC is the dumbest person on the planet or she didn't do it that way.


Your version makes much more sense, especially with the inclusion of her doing it another time when the weather was not as hot.

Her actions look like someone who got blind sided with a dead body. She freezes and doesn't have to do anything right away because Caylee is so little her absence is not picked up by anyone. So she creates the story of the kidnapping Nanny, she duct tapes the mouth to make it look like a kidnapping.

I agree that she took her home to make it seem like she drowned in the pool. But realized she wouldn't get away with it because the rigamortis had set in and she was pretty much hopeless.

The whole story reeks of someone trying to figure out what to do with an unexpected dead body.

Not a premeditated murder. (Not that I would put it passed her to do that, I just don't think the facts add up.)

Chewy, I recognize that you are talking about premeditated murder like a layman. However, I just caution here that the premeditation that the law requires can happen in just an instant.

 

[Miaa]

It's definitely not that I cannot grasp a simple concept. Just like I do not rely on Megan's law maps to "keep my child safe", every offender has a first offense, and my child might be my nice next door neighbor who isn't a sex offender's first offense if I only rely on that map.

Casey could have done months of research on how to use chloroform and never needed to use it, until she wanted to go to blockbuster and have secks with TL.

However, what other people can't "seem to grasp" is that you don't "babysit" a child with "neck breaking" and "household weapons", so I don't think she was looking for chloroform as a mechanism to "babysit" her child, I think she is a cold-blooded murderer and was not planning to get rid of her child TEMPORARILY, she was looking for a PERMANENT solution.

:toastred: Congrats for saying what I was thinking. It's been obvious to me for many months that ica didn't what a short term solution to daughter's putting a crimp in her style. Casey wanted a permanent solution..................she found one when she murdered her child. IMOO

bbm/imo

 

[Chewy]

Chewy, I recognize that you are talking about premeditated murder like a layman. However, I just caution here that the premeditation that the law requires can happen in just an instant. Just administering chloroform once to a toddler is enough to constitute premeditation to support premeditated murder. She didn't have to have the specific intent to kill Caylee; just enough intent that she intended to apply the chloroform, because applying chloroform to a toddler is so dangerous that anyone would know that death is very likely to be the result. So, she didn't have to have a plan to dispose of the body. All she had to intend was to apply chloroform to a living toddler -- or that she intended to apply duct tape over the mouth and nose of a toddler. Either way it is premeditated murder.

And your point is? We're talking about whether she left her in the trunk of the car. Neglect that results in murder is the same as premeditated murder to me.

But the idea that she googled neck breaking and did all this research to find a way to kill her daughter and this is the best that she came up with, belies reason.

 

[Themis]

And your point is? We're talking about whether she left her in the trunk of the car. Neglect that results in murder is the same as premeditated murder to me.

But the idea that she googled neck breaking and did all this research to find a way to kill her daughter and this is the best that she came up with, belies reason.

I went back and re-read the Florida Jury instructions and then edited my above post accordingly. Anyway, I now understand what you are saying. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Jolynna]

This is a bit frustrating because we are continually seeing a long debate as to whether KC left Caylee in the car as a "babysitting" device on a regular basis. However I'm not sure why so many people need it to be a long term thing or not at all. Plenty of women have left their children in their cars while they went to work, went drinking, went to casinos or went shopping. Some of them seemed to think that if it was at night it wouldn't be that big of a deal. And the kids died.

If Caylee fell asleep and was doped out by KC and KC was drunk, it is not unreasonable for her to have thought she could get away with putting her in the trunk and coming back later. If she came back and Caylee was dead KC could have been concerned about getting in major trouble and looking like a vile human being in front of her friends. If she called the cops about it they would know that she did it to go out and get drunk and party. So she concocts this story about the baby sitter and plans to have it look like a kidnapping.

Some of the assumptions that have been made in this forum and in commentary on other sites are baffling to me. That NO ONE puts duct tape over the mouth of a dead body. So because it has never been done before it means KC 100 percent didn't do it? Please! She obviously wanted it to look like an abduction and slapped on the duct tape.

BBM

Except that ICA did NOTHING to perpetuate a kidnapping theory.

She didn't call and report Caylee missing. She didn't hint to her friends that she was being followed or that her babysitter was getting too possessive. She didn't even come up with a WHO until trapped by her mother and Lee and with LE on the way. And even then, the best WHO was the same old made-up babysitter she had been saying she was staying with for almost a year (so she could sleep over with Ricardo...she sure couldn't tell Cindy about THAT...the Caylee in the bed part wouldn't have gone over very well).

Linda Drane Burdick stated in her opening statement that ICA only came up with the kidnapper statement when she was trapped and her back was to the wall. I am with LDB on that issue. The very day Cindy (not ICA) reported Caylee was kidnapped ICA was trying to convince people that Caylee had called her, was just fine and that everybody was overreacting. Down to the end ICA was begging for one more day.

As far as the trunk, yes I think Caylee went into the Pontiac...one time. With tape over her mouth and nose to make sure she wouldn't survive. Hopefully Caylee was chloroformed and didn't know.

imo

 

[Beatrice]

The duct tape had to be a once & final effort to "silence" Caylee...
As repeated uses would have left marks.

 

[Chewy]

BBM

Except that ICA did NOTHING to perpetuate a kidnapping theory.

She didn't call and report Caylee missing. She didn't hint to her friends that she was being followed or that her babysitter was getting too possessive. She didn't even come up with a WHO until trapped by her mother and Lee and with LE on the way. And even then, the best WHO was the same old made-up babysitter she had been saying she was staying with for almost a year (so she could sleep over with Ricardo...she sure couldn't tell Cindy about THAT...the Caylee in the bed part wouldn't have gone over very well).

Linda Drane Burdick stated in her opening statement that ICA only came up with the kidnapper statement when she was trapped and her back was to the wall. I am with LDB on that issue. The very day Cindy (not ICA) reported Caylee was kidnapped ICA was trying to convince people that Caylee had called her, was just fine and that everybody was overreacting. Down to the end ICA was begging for one more day.

As far as the trunk, yes I think Caylee went into the Pontiac...one time. With tape over her mouth and nose to make sure she wouldn't survive. Hopefully Caylee was chloroformed and didn't know.

imo

I agree with what you are saying in that she didn't do anything that made it look like a kidnapping.

However I think in her mind she thought she WAS trying to make it look like a kidnapping.

Florida is filled to the gills with illegal immigrants who work as nannies. And recently there have been lots of stories coming out of Mexico about people being abducted down there.

I think she was building a case where it looked like Zenaida was a trusted friend and that she'd leave Caylee there on a regular basis that soon extended to be overnight.

If she had called immediately and said she was abducted then the cops would have jumped all over it.

In my opinion she wanted to get rid of the car so that she could say Zenaida took it and abducted her daughter. Say she "borrowed the car" have the car show up somewhere else and the baby is missing.

But then mom called the cops. This is why she hates her mother. She basic blew her cover.