Poll for the Armchair Psychologists

[shelley921]

IIRC she started lying when she was young. I think she should have been confronted and corrected everytime she was caught lying. Maybe she was and it didn't help. Because of the lying, she undermined her own character development, and was not able to withstand the pressures of a rocky relationship like a person who has a strong character.
speaking for myself, it is easy to lie, but you get stronger emotionally if you practice telling the truth. I think a person can lose their intuition and their judgment when they aren't truthful, and you don't see things clearly. The truth is golden for sure. She got lost by becoming a chameleon.

yes-indeed and the sad thing is when you can not be authentic and truthful with others you are sabotaging your very own SELF most of all.

 

[shelley921]

Lack of physical and hormonal development Related to brain/pituitary abnormalities?

This may bring us back to the biological recognition in men to see women with wider hips/larger breasts as more likely to be a good carrier of their genetic legacy.

I know from Art History studies that as depicted in the artwork of many cultures dating from ancient to modern society, most humans have long depicted the quintessential female as fair and the quintessential male as dark. I do agree that there is a feminine connotation associated with more Fair physical attributes throughout societal history and more of a masculine connotation associated with darker races.

I read recently that waist-to-hip RATIO is what is KEY in attracting men - even more than breast size or face:

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A WHR of 0.7 for women and 0.9 for men has been shown to correlate strongly with general health and fertility. Women within the 0.7 range have optimal levels of estrogen and are less susceptible to major diseases such asdiabetes, cardiovascular disorders and ovarian cancers.[14] Women with high WHR (0.80 or higher) have significantly lower pregnancy rates than women with lower WHRs (0.70–0.79), independent of their BMIs.[9] Men with WHRs around 0.9, similarly, have been shown to be more healthy and fertile with less prostate cancer and testicular cancer.[15]
[ wikipedia ]
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A slim waist has been the hallmark of an attractive woman throughout hundreds of years of history, according to a study led by Dr. Devendra Singh from the University of Texas. He maintains that a woman's waist-to-hip ratio is a key factor in attracting men, even more than breast size or facial appearance.

http://channels.isp.netscape.com/whatsnew/package.jsp?name=fte/slimwaist/slimwaist&floc=wn-nx

 

[SMK]

I read recently that waist-to-hip RATIO is what is KEY in attracting men - even more than breast size or face:

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A WHR of 0.7 for women and 0.9 for men has been shown to correlate strongly with general health and fertility. Women within the 0.7 range have optimal levels of estrogen and are less susceptible to major diseases such asdiabetes, cardiovascular disorders and ovarian cancers.[14] Women with high WHR (0.80 or higher) have significantly lower pregnancy rates than women with lower WHRs (0.70–0.79), independent of their BMIs.[9] Men with WHRs around 0.9, similarly, have been shown to be more healthy and fertile with less prostate cancer and testicular cancer.[15]
[ wikipedia ]
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A slim waist has been the hallmark of an attractive woman throughout hundreds of years of history, according to a study led by Dr. Devendra Singh from the University of Texas. He maintains that a woman's waist-to-hip ratio is a key factor in attracting men, even more than breast size or facial appearance.

http://channels.isp.netscape.com/whatsnew/package.jsp?name=fte/slimwaist/slimwaist&floc=wn-nx

Yes, all of these biologically based studies have shown that everything is about procreation and survival and strengthening of the stock. On some level personality and intelligence must come into play for the same reasons and with the same goal at the crux.

 

[Moonchime]

I believe here in the US the biggest mistake being made is handing baby off to a daycare and strangers for 10 hrs a day. I really don't want to start a debate or argue the point other than to say its far less than ideal. No one is gonna love a child more than family.


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I couldn't agree more. Also, totally love your signature!!:seeya:

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

I read recently that waist-to-hip RATIO is what is KEY in attracting men - even more than breast size or face:

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A WHR of 0.7 for women and 0.9 for men has been shown to correlate strongly with general health and fertility. Women within the 0.7 range have optimal levels of estrogen and are less susceptible to major diseases such asdiabetes, cardiovascular disorders and ovarian cancers.[14] Women with high WHR (0.80 or higher) have significantly lower pregnancy rates than women with lower WHRs (0.70–0.79), independent of their BMIs.[9] Men with WHRs around 0.9, similarly, have been shown to be more healthy and fertile with less prostate cancer and testicular cancer.[15]
[ wikipedia ]
......................

A slim waist has been the hallmark of an attractive woman throughout hundreds of years of history, according to a study led by Dr. Devendra Singh from the University of Texas. He maintains that a woman's waist-to-hip ratio is a key factor in attracting men, even more than breast size or facial appearance.

http://channels.isp.netscape.com/whatsnew/package.jsp?name=fte/slimwaist/slimwaist&floc=wn-nx

Thank you for the factual link to back up our conversation! I do believe breast size plays a part in some respects as the breasts are a source of food/nutrition for the offspring.

I agree though that hip to waist ratio is the most significant factor.

You can due your hair blonde all ya want... You can get fake boobies... But you can't change the feminine structure of your hips no matter how much you can trim down your waist.

It interesting that Jodi wanted to be that marrying type for Travis - the woman to someday "have his children" so to speak.

Maybe deep down Travis and Jodi both figured out that Jodi never could have the ability to nurture a child the way Travis would want his children nurtured. She could never be that nurturing Mormon Madonna. It's just not her.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Yes, all of these biologically based studies have shown that everything is about procreation and survival and strengthening of the stock. On some level personality and intelligence must come into play for the same reasons and with the same goal at the crux.

I agree! So insightful!

I Remember reading that in 1997 Jodi followed an old prophet who said the world was going to end. She got back together with Bobby Juarez to join him for what she literally believed according to this old transient would be the apocalypse.

Jodi seems to gravitate toward cult like belief systems. Whether it be this transient prophet and his crackpot theory, matt mccartney and the occult, or Travis and Mormonism (debatable).

She is very succeptable to "magical" thinking and seems quite gullible - as if she becomes captivated/infatuated with her mentor.

I think Travis unfortunately fulfilled both the romantic role and the mentor role. When he broke off communication, not only was she romantically scorned - she was scorned by her mentor and thrown out of the group.

It's as if she becomes like those she idolizes/admires and then when they don't live up to her expectations and are fake or they reject her - she goes through an identity crisis, not knowing who she is apart from the group and identity she created to fit into the group.

She consistently brings up her reputation to Flores and how important it is to her. Arias connects the idea of how her incarceration will effect her reputation. Why is her reputation so important?

Because her reputation is her mask.

Your reputation is what you do when people are around you, but your character is what you do when no one is looking.

What has Jodi done when she believed no one is looking/judging her ?

This is where her true character/identity lies .... Or lack of character/identity.

"A cult is a group of people who organize around a strong authority figure. Cults, like many other groups, attempt to expand their influence for the purposes of power or money. However, to achieve these ends, destructive cults employ a potent mixture of influence techniques and deception to attain psychological control over members and new recruits. This fundamental level of control is known alternatively as 'brainwashing,' 'thought reform,' or 'mind control.' A successful induction by a destructive cult displaces a person's former identity and replaces it with a new one. That new identity may not be one that the person would have freely chosen under her own volition (Hassan, 1990)."

Also here is the timeline that talks about her meeting the old prophet when working at her parents restaurant in HS.

http://jodi.projectwasabi.com/

(refer down to Sept 1997)

 

[Linda7NJ]

I agree! So insightful!

I Remember reading that in 1997 Jodi followed an old prophet who said the world was going to end. She got back together with Bobby Juarez to join him for what she literally believed according to this old transient would be the apocalypse.

Jodi seems to gravitate toward cult like belief systems. Whether it be this transient prophet and his crackpot theory, matt mccartney and the occult, or Travis and Mormonism (debatable).

She is very succeptable to "magical" thinking and seems quite gullible - as if she becomes captivated/infatuated with her mentor.

I think Travis unfortunately fulfilled both the romantic role and the mentor role. When he broke off communication, not only was she romantically scorned - she was scorned by her mentor and thrown out of the group.

It's as if she becomes like those she idolizes/admires and then when they don't live up to her expectations and are fake or they reject her - she goes through an identity crisis, not knowing who she is apart from the group and identity she created to fit into the group.

She consistently brings up her reputation to Flores and how important it is to her. Arias connects the idea of how her incarceration will effect her reputation. Why is her reputation so important?

Because her reputation is her mask.

Your reputation is what you do when people are around you, but your character is what you do when no one is looking.

What has Jodi done when she believed no one is looking/judging her ?

This is where her true character/identity lies .... Or lack of character/identity.

I disagree. I believe she gravitated and used other people's magical thinking to her benefit they were easier to manipulate.

Bobby, she wanted him back
The dude believed in vampires...pretty easy to manipulate that one.

The Secret

The Mormon faith and their strict beliefs of chastity.


She sensed others weaknesses and exploited them to obtain her own goals.

All IMO

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

I disagree. I believe she gravitated and used other people's magical thinking to her benefit they were easier to manipulate.

Bobby, she wanted him back
The dude believed in vampires...pretty easy to manipulate that one.

The Secret

The Mormon faith and their strict beliefs of chastity.


She sensed others weaknesses and exploited them to obtain her own goals.

All IMO

I agree that she manipulated the magical thinking of her to
Romantic interests and friends as well as exploited weaknesses, but she only began these behaviors when she wasn't being accepted unconditionally which is where the narcissism comes into play.

I think her motivation initially is based off of emotional/identity dependency as she herself has no true identity/personality. Once she's in, she does fine until she is critisized or rejected. her true exploitative and manipulative nature begin to become apparent to others during these periods of criticism/rejection. Imho

 

[Linda7NJ]

I agree that she manipulated the magical thinking of her to
Romantic interests and friends as well as exploited weaknesses, but she only began these behaviors when she wasn't being accepted unconditionally which is where the narcissism comes into play.

I think her motivation initially is based off of emotional/identity dependency as she herself has no true identity/personality. Once she's in, she does fine until she is critisized or rejected. her true exploitative and manipulative nature begin to become apparent to others during these periods of criticism/rejection. Imho

I don't think she's that self self aware, self reflective or looking for an identity. IMO she operates on a more instinctual reptilian fashion...I think she's capable of suffering narcissistic injuries...but she's primarily goal driven. IMO

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

I don't think she's that self self aware, self reflective or looking for an identity. IMO she operates on a more instinctual reptilian fashion...I think she's capable of suffering narcissistic injuries...but she's primarily goal driven. IMO

But in order to manipulate and assuage those instinctual needs she requires other people and she has to somehow exist in society to meet said people.

She has to meet them somewhere in society or in some social group.

She does seem to gravitate toward people with groupthink or conformist mentalities when she manipulates, people that are very set in certain values/ideals - archetypes or steriotypes. that way she can understand the person easier and know what she is going into before hand by studying the source of their groupthink beliefs.

I agree that she is not consciously seeking an identity. It is a natural subconscious biological necessity to find some sort of identity in order to move about and manipulate society/people easier and gain or sustain oneself. This is a very reptilian trait. So I agree with you from the reptilian aspect.

I do agree she is goal driven, but her goal is narcissistic and is to have unconditional admiration and dependence upon her. She wants to be worshipped and in a high position, but she cannot handle the respnsibility/sincerity that position holds.

She seems to me like the type of woman who would specificly marry an influential preacher and have a high place in the community with him in order to secretly misappropriate funds from his ministry. She would need that money stolen to keep up her church tea parties and cute church wardrobe.

IMO

 

[human]

We all have a need to belong.

 

[SMK]

We all have a need to belong.

Yes, as social creatures - even herd animals, according to Nietzsche - we need some sort of group, even if it is just a group identified with intellectually.

Even people who scorn the mainstream and pride themselves on being rebels or outcasts still will strongly identify with the outcast taste in music, politics, fashion. Arias manipulated but we all do that to some degree.

Or maybe I have been around so many Jodi-like people, she doesn't seem that weird to me, outside of the act of murder.....:waitasec:

 

[Gecko100]

True; indeed this chameleon-like altering of the self to blend in is the root of all fashion. It is prevalent everywhere. (Again, I am extremely puzzled as to why girls don't grow normal-sized breasts. )

I'm perplexed about a fashion that makes women look pre-pubertal too.
No breasts and no hair. Or all breasts and no hair.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I'm perplexed about a fashion that makes women look pre-pubertal too.
No breasts and no hair. Or all breasts and no hair.

How are small breasts a fashion statement?

The zero hair thing... I'm with you on that one! I prefer the landing strip myself and ain't no one waxing there but me!

 

[SMK]

I'm perplexed about a fashion that makes women look pre-pubertal too.
No breasts and no hair. Or all breasts and no hair.

Yes, its all baffling....:crazy:

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

All of the people she looked up to have that ability to stroke peoples egos to gain their trust.

Most cult leaders or motivational speakers flatter and validate their prospects to gain the prospects trust and gain further influence on them.

I believe Jodi is attracted to those cult leaders or motivational speaker types as she would be attracted to anyone who always validated her unconditionally - this constant affirmation of her ego feeds her narcissism and need for constant adoration/validation.

JA identifies so closely with her interest/mentor that, in Travis case specifically, she becomes obsessed with them.

If she is forced away from her interest/mentor, she will do anything to maintain that connection.

IMO

 

[SMK]

Yes, I never doubted that Travis was very practiced and skilled in subtle manipulation: It was his profession. And it made him unwittingly draw in a person like Arias.

 

[Sulamith]

Yes, I never doubted that Travis was very practiced and skilled in subtle manipulation: It was his profession. And it made him unwittingly draw in a person like Arias.

One should never mix business with pleasure!

 

[SMK]

One should never mix business with pleasure!

A very sound maxim, and poor Travis paid dearly for breaking it.

 

[Gecko100]

I would also agree that the pics of her with blonde hair very much point to an alienation of the Latino heritage, and she may have experienced both self-loathing and rage when the whole facade failed. Is this the meaning of her dyeing her hair brown in June prior to the murder? "The return of the repressed".

But she didn't suddenly dye her hair in June, she has been seen to be dying her hair darker since May, a whole dyeing of her hair to dark brown could have taken quite a bit longer.
Is the DSM a culturally appropriate way of diagnosing a native person?
Does it equally apply in Japan or Indonesia or Papua New Guinea?
Is it an equal measure and is it even fair?
The return of the lost and found.