Poll for the Armchair Psychologists

[Gecko100]

I do see your point about the feminine version of a white girl.

Thing is I've lived in CA and AZ and the Latino community runs strong here. They aren't really seen negatively. I have a background that is almost identical to Arias (German and Latino) and I actually look a lot like her (lucky for me I know ugh) and I live in almost the same geographic location and can say that it really makes no difference here if you are white or Latino.

I've never experienced racism or sexism based upon my race here in all my life and I have pretty low self esteem.


Also there are studies that indicate/support that Hispanic women have a higher prevalence of Narcissistic Personality Disorder... As a Latina this interests me.

" Prevalence of lifetime NPD was 6.2%, with rates greater for men (7.7%) than for women (4.8%). NPD was significantly more prevalent among black men and women and Hispanic women, younger adults, and separated/divorced/widowed and never married adults. NPD was associated with mental disability among men but not women. "

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/18557663/

IMHO

Which is very much linked to abuse.

 

[Gecko100]

I am interested in that issue of the racism. Never having been to AZ and now boycotting it even though I have a good friend who moved there, the only thing I know is the law where people have to show their ID to prove they are legal.

I live in a cold place and people go there from here in the winter.

I hear many many many negative ugly comments.

It is interesting to hear that people who live in AZ do not think that is true. That there is racism. But all I hear is about the money that should be spent on the border .

Seeing it from a different country entirely opens your eyes wouldn't you agree?

 

[Gecko100]

I think that presupposes a depth that she didn't have. She obviously did whatever she thought would endear her to people. That's how she got by. There was no genuineness to it and no heartfelt quest to discover herself at age 27 imo.

I also think if she wanted to fit in she may have bothered to go to school, work, and become what she admired. She just wanted a shortcut. Why work for all that when you can use sex/sexuality/sexiness to jump to the head of the line?

Well I could argue that you presuppose shallow, I cannot answer why a shallow person would have M Scott Peck amongst her reading possessions. It's really not a shallow read. Not one that would attract too many psychopaths I think.
Searching for meaning is a quest we all undertake, she was trying different ways to search for it through a faith. I didn't go to university until I was 34 not because I consider myself dumb. All life experiences enhance wisdom. Was I not engaged in a heartfelt quest?
Discovering ourselves only really starts in our 30's and it's relative depth is dependent on the person and the successfully completed life stages which are considerably longer (and getting longer) suggested by Erickson.
Six year olds wanting to be 25, and 25 year olds looking and acting like juveniles. Where does the quest begin on that journey?
Brain development is incomplete until aged 25.

 

[SMK]

But she didn't suddenly dye her hair in June, she has been seen to be dying her hair darker since May, a whole dyeing of her hair to dark brown could have taken quite a bit longer.
Is the DSM a culturally appropriate way of diagnosing a native person?
Does it equally apply in Japan or Indonesia or Papua New Guinea?
Is it an equal measure and is it even fair?
The return of the lost and found.

You are asking the wrong person about DSM, as I was a member of a philosophical society which thought DSM was evil. :floorlaugh:

 

[Gecko100]

Lack of physical and hormonal development Related to brain/pituitary abnormalities?

This may bring us back to the biological recognition in men to see women with wider hips/larger breasts as more likely to be a good carrier of their genetic legacy.

I know from Art History studies that as depicted in the artwork of many cultures dating from ancient to modern society, most humans have long depicted the quintessential female as fair and the quintessential male as dark. I do agree that there is a feminine connotation associated with more Fair physical attributes throughout societal history and more of a masculine connotation associated with darker races.

I guess that is dependent on where you come from. It would not be seen that way in Japan or Africa, and beauty is a very subjective experience. Notions of 'beauty' are different in every culture and society.
I doubt that people from Arizona would like neck extensions in Burma, or initiations in Aboriginal culture where the mail loses a front tooth, or scarification rituals practised by some societies. These are thought to be exceedingly beautiful in some cultures.

 

[Gecko100]

You are asking the wrong person about DSM, as I was a member of a philosophical society which thought DSM was evil. :floorlaugh:

Hang on a minute, did you say evil?:scared::floorlaugh:

 

[Night-owl]

Well I could argue that you presuppose shallow, I cannot answer why a shallow person would have M Scott Peck amongst her reading possessions. It's really not a shallow read. Not one that would attract too many psychopaths I think

<Respectfully snipped>

Is the any indication she read it? Or was this a book someone gave her?

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

I guess that is dependent on where you come from. It would not be seen that way in Japan or Africa, and beauty is a very subjective experience. Notions of 'beauty' are different in every culture and society.
I doubt that people from Arizona would like neck extensions in Burma, or initiations in Aboriginal culture where the mail loses a front tooth, or scarification rituals practised by some societies. These are thought to be exceedingly beautiful in some cultures.

I think you are taking much of my conversation out of context. I should have said that I'm speaking from the mindset of Western Civilization as you said you were speaking from a more Non US perspective of your own community.

In fact most of what I was speaking of was in response to your "non US" or foreign standpoint of social equality w Hispanic women where you come from. Arias as a Hispanic female would not be considered as feminine or socially equal in England is it?

I was simply stating that from where Arias is from in AZ, People are rather desensitized to latino physical attributes - especially in cases like Arias since she really does not even appear viscerally to be Hispanic bc she is mixed. She's quite average really as many people in the southwest are mixed Hispanic w other races.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Seeing it from a different country entirely opens your eyes wouldn't you agree?

I tend not to judge a place unless I've lived there and experienced it first hand.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Is the any indication she read it? Or was this a book someone gave her?

Yeah you know those people who have fabulous libraries but have never read but 5 of the books?

They act as if they read all of them, but if you ask them specifically about each book they have no clue. They just want to appear more intelligent than they are. Drives me crazy -

 

[Gecko100]

Is the any indication she read it? Or was this a book someone gave her?

Equally, is there any indication she didn't?

 

[Gecko100]

She dyed her hair right before killing him. I think she did it to avoid being identified by neighbors at Travis's house after killing him.

If there is a psychological element to it, I think she noticed that the new object of TA's interest that he was bringing to Cancun, Mimi, was a brunette. She wanted to appeal to him more physically. IMHO

Why does the Police report from the stolen gun episode say her hair was brown?

 

[jacalyn]

I think that presupposes a depth that she didn't have. She obviously did whatever she thought would endear her to people. That's how she got by. There was no genuineness to it and no heartfelt quest to discover herself at age 27 imo.

I also think if she wanted to fit in she may have bothered to go to school, work, and become what she admired. She just wanted a shortcut. Why work for all that when you can use sex/sexuality/sexiness to jump to the head of the line?

What you wrote was absolutely perfection...flawless BRAVO. Thanks was not enough had to leave you a comment. Short, simple and sweet, thinking you must be a Scorpio, not being sarcastic I'm one, just picked up on it.

 

[Gecko100]

I think you are taking much of my conversation out of context. I should have said that I'm speaking from the mindset of Western Civilization as you said you were speaking from a more Non US perspective of your own community.

In fact most of what I was speaking of was in response to your "non US" or foreign standpoint of social equality w Hispanic women where you come from. Arias as a Hispanic female would not be considered as feminine or socially equal in England is it?

I was simply stating that from where Arias is from in AZ, People are rather desensitized to latino physical attributes - especially in cases like Arias since she really does not even appear viscerally to be Hispanic bc she is mixed. She's quite average really as many people in the southwest are mixed Hispanic w other races.

I speak from a Western civilisation and from the standpoint of many different countries and cultures I have lived in and I'm not English, but I have lived with racism and oppression, including living in the US.
She would be considered to be of Hispanic native roots. I can see racism in a way that you might not be able to see as easily because you live there. How do you explain an over-representation in the prison and welfare systems of black and Hispanic populations?
When you say people are 'desensitised' to Hispanic traits be they physical or psychological, what do you mean?
What is so different that people need to become desensitised to it? Is absolutely everyone desensitised at the same level?
If the photographs are anything to go by, JA stopped looking like a sexy 'blonde bombshell' and actually looked like a pre-pubescent Indian Squaw. (no disrespect intended)
She looked to me like she was returning to her 'self' and less of an ego stroking false persona.
There is no legal evidence entered in this case that she stalked, slashed tyres, or stole a gun. There is a huge mass of conjecture and half truths that seen from a distance look exactly like that. Legally, it has no bearing on the case at all. imo
This trial has been broadcast in a world-wide media and I for one amongst many other world-wide viewers think it reeks of sexism and racism. If a trial goes world-wide, you can expect a world-wide response.
The guy with the privatised prisons is barbaric and an inhumane, yet it is allowed to exist, why might that be?
Is it illegal in Arizona not to have an identification card to prove you didn't escape from Mexico?

 

[Linda7NJ]

I speak from a Western civilisation and from the standpoint of many different countries and cultures I have lived in and I'm not English, but I have lived with racism and oppression, including living in the US.
She would be considered to be of Hispanic native roots. I can see racism in a way that you might not be able to see as easily because you live there. How do you explain an over-representation in the prison and welfare systems of black and Hispanic populations?
When you say people are 'desensitised' to Hispanic traits be they physical or psychological, what do you mean?
What is so different that people need to become desensitised to it? Is absolutely everyone desensitised at the same level?
If the photographs are anything to go by, JA stopped looking like a sexy 'blonde bombshell' and actually looked like a pre-pubescent Indian Squaw. (no disrespect intended)
She looked to me like she was returning to her 'self' and less of an ego stroking false persona.
There is no legal evidence entered in this case that she stalked, slashed tyres, or stole a gun. There is a huge mass of conjecture and half truths that seen from a distance look exactly like that. Legally, it has no bearing on the case at all. imo
This trial has been broadcast in a world-wide media and I for one amongst many other world-wide viewers think it reeks of sexism and racism. If a trial goes world-wide, you can expect a world-wide response.
The guy with the privatised prisons is barbaric and an inhumane, yet it is allowed to exist, why might that be?
Is it illegal in Arizona not to have an identification card to prove you didn't escape from Mexico?

You're wrong. The testimony from the stand was evidence. Legal evidence.

You're free to attribute whatever weight you deem fair, as was the jury. But it was indeed evidence. Make no mistake about it.

What is this you have some special ability to see racism and sexism that Jodi was a victim of that no one else sees??? Color me confused.

I'm also a tad amazed, but not surprised, you feel qualified to speak for the rest of the world.

 

[Gecko100]

I tend not to judge a place unless I've lived there and experienced it first hand.

What if I have lived there? How do you feel about Iran or Pakistan?

 

[human]

I live in the US, although I have never been to AZ.

I cannot see, when people talk about the illegals ALL of the time, and the fence or the wall, that people cannot see the blatant racism.

But that is the beauty of it. It is so accepted and institutionalized, that it is invisible, except to those who experience it,

Even where I live and there are hardly any people from Mexico, the racist comments are constant. The illegals. The fence. Yada yada yada.

I go with the Native American view that finds the illegal talk very strange considering the history of the US.

I am sure that the underlying current that Mexicans are not quite up to being worthy of living in the US was experienced by JA. How much it affected her? Who knows. I imagine it depends on what may have been said or done to her.

Other countries do not have to pretend this stuff does not go on in the US. They have their own issues and peoples they persecute that we get all up in arms about.

It is easy to see when you are in another country, as they have their commentators on it, just as we have ours on Iran and Mexico, for instance.

 

[SMK]

Interesting that Blog Talk radio is having a talk on Jodi Arias- Travis Alexander and "the Mexican filly" syndrome tonight......

 

[human]

SMK, will you be listening and give a brief synopsis?

 

[SMK]

SMK, will you be listening and give a brief synopsis?

I will sure as heck try. Its on at 11 pm, if I am up, I will listen and synopsize. If not, they always upload the show for listening later, which I intend to do.

I believe I had pointed out Travis' "mexican filly" comment on MySpace on another thread here: I pretty much grasp his stance and her hidden horror (I am assuming she saw it).

BLOG TALK RADIO: 11 pm Mexican Filly Syndrome:

Pitchforks talks with a Latina from a similar background to Jodi Arias about the ethnicity issues that may have impacted the Jodi Arias - Travis Alexander relationship.