Possible Victim: Shannan Gilbert

[LR1]

Or we could start with the fact that only two people know what happen inside that house to scare the crap out of SG and one of them is dead now.

If she had a history of flipping out then she would have flipped out and been fine the next day, she wouldn't of been found dead.
Not only that but you don't really believe what JB or MP say.....do you?

IDK guess it's pretty much common sense for me that if a woman is running down the street screaming "they are going to kill me" that she is either talking about a homicidal maniac or she was talking about aliens. She sure the hell wasn't beamed up so we're gonna have to go with homicidal maniac.

OK lets start with that fact. Only 2 people know what happened inside that house, in other words MP wasn't in the house and wouldn't know what happened and wouldn't have been a part of anything that might have happened. So why would she run from him if only hours before she trusted him enough to get in the car with him and willingly let him take her out to this area she wasn't familiar with? And what about that old codger GC, now here we have a witness as solid they come. He wouldn't have been a part of any of it but yet she runs from that location as well. I guess he is not to be trusted either?

The difference in her not surviving the episode she might have been going through at this location and another is that at the others she most likely didn't have to traverse a marsh. A marsh she wouldn't even have known was there until she was stuck in the middle of it.

 

[giagreen]

OK lets start with that fact. Only 2 people know what happened inside that house, in other words MP wasn't in the house and wouldn't know what happened and wouldn't have been a part of anything that might have happened. So why would she run from him if only hours before she trusted him enough to get in the car with him and willingly let him take her out to this area she wasn't familiar with? And what about that old codger GC, now here we have a witness as solid they come. He wouldn't have been a part of any of it but yet she runs from that location as well. I guess he is not to be trusted either?

The difference in her not surviving the episode she might have been going through at this location and another is that at the others she most likely didn't have to traverse a marsh. A marsh she wouldn't even have known was there until she was stuck in the middle of it.

I understand why she ran from GC house. I really don't feel like explaining it again because if you don't want to understand what the fight-or-flight response is then your never going to. But the fight-or-flight response isn't something made up. It's actually very real.
I mean if you understand fully what bipolar disorder is and have read up on it enough that you can be so sure that she was having a mental break from it. Then you should know what fight or flight response is. Here is a very good link explaining the fight or flight response.
Just because I understand what the fight or flight response is doesn't mean that I am calling GC a liar. That is an assumption on your part.

http://psychology.about.com/od/findex/g/fight-or-flight-response.htm

As for why she ran from MP once again it could be due to the fight or flight response. Or it could be for other reasons. I personally have my own reason for why I think she ran from MP but I really don't feel like explaining that again either.

You are entitled to think, feel, or believe what ever you would like. My goal is not to change your opinion. But I know what I know. And I really wish people would read up a little about bipolar disorder and fight or flight response before making assumptions. Especially when it comes to making assumptions that sense I disagree with you that I must then think that some poor old innocent man is a liar. Get real.
I think it's sad that if a girl is bipolar or has had problems in the past is held against her.

http://www.webmd.com/bipolar-disorder/features/8-myths-about-bipolar-disorder

http://www.webmd.com/bipolar-disorder/guide/bipolar-disorder-overview-facts

http://www.thebodysoulconnection.com/EducationCenter/fight.html

 

[gypsy gal]

The fact that she had bipolar is not being "held against her" It is a FACT that could have a lot to do with what happened to her. law enforcement agrees...I understand your fight or flight theory. It could be, but the evidence points to a paranoid/delusional state. The John even says she went into the bathroom for a very long time and exited acting crazy. I think she did cocaine or some other narcotic and it sent her into a state that contributed to her running into the marsh.

 

[giagreen]

~ Why didn't Coletti ever mention that Shannan was on her cell phone when she ran to his house? Why did HE have to call the police when she was already on the phone with them? Maybe he didn't know that's who she was on the phone with, but still...he never mentioned once that she was on her cell phone, to the best of my knowledge.

I think your right. I've never once seen anything where GC said SG was on the phone when she came to his door.
And I've watched some of his interviews a few times. IDK maybe he didn't see she was on the phone. Maybe she didn't hang the phone up and was in her pocket, maybe he just didn't realize she was on the phone because there was so much going on. Or maybe LE asked him not to say anything about it. Don't see why they would tell him that. Who knows.

But I'm pretty sure your right he has never said anything about her being on the phone with 911.

 

[LINative13]

~ Why didn't Coletti ever mention that Shannan was on her cell phone when she ran to his house? Why did HE have to call the police when she was already on the phone with them? Maybe he didn't know that's who she was on the phone with, but still...he never mentioned once that she was on her cell phone, to the best of my knowledge.

I think your right. I've never once seen anything where GC said SG was on the phone when she came to his door.
And I've watched some of his interviews a few times. IDK maybe he didn't see she was on the phone. Maybe she didn't hang the phone up and was in her pocket, maybe he just didn't realize she was on the phone because there was so much going on. Or maybe LE asked him not to say anything about it. Don't see why they would tell him that. Who knows.

But I'm pretty sure your right he has never said anything about her being on the phone with 911.

You guys are coming up with some far out stuff.
You guys are REALLY questioning why GC used his own phone?

 

[giagreen]

You guys are coming up with some far out stuff.
You guys are REALLY questioning why GC used his own phone?

I'm not questioning him as in I think he has involvement at all. I think he was just trying to simply help. It's just that he never said that she was on her phone so that is new info to me that she was still on the phone when she was at his house. I was always under the assumption that her 911 phone call had ended as she left JB's house. That's all. At least for me. I can't speak for the other poster and what they are getting at.

I'm pretty sure there was a reason for it. He prob didn't see the phone or know who she was on the phone with. Or something.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I'm not questioning him as in I think he has involvement at all. I think he was just trying to simply help. It's just that he never said that she was on her phone so that is new info to me that she was still on the phone when she was at his house. I was always under the assumption that her 911 phone call had ended as she left JB's house. That's all. At least for me. I can't speak for the other poster and what they are getting at.

I'm pretty sure there was a reason for it. He prob didn't see the phone or know who she was on the phone with. Or something.

That quote is from a post by LINative, not me.

 

[giagreen]

That quote is from a post by LINative, not me.

Which quote? I am so confused right now! lol

 

[sleuthinforfun]

The fact that she had bipolar is not being "held against her" It is a FACT that could have a lot to do with what happened to her. law enforcement agrees...I understand your fight or flight theory. It could be, but the evidence points to a paranoid/delusional state. The John even says she went into the bathroom for a very long time and exited acting crazy. I think she did cocaine or some other narcotic and it sent her into a state that contributed to her running into the marsh.

You realize fight or flight and paranoid/delusional can look identical to someone NOT in a fear state? Any witness not understanding the CAUSE of her fear could easily assume there was something wrong with her or drugs were involved. If you look at the symptoms of date rape drugs, they also sound familiar as the description of SG's reaction.

 

[mayankoza]

Hey guys,
I am wondering why after the 911 call Shannon Gilbert made, after her belongings were found far from her body, after her neck bone was found missing from her neck, and finally after her body was found in close proximity within the other murder victims does L.E. downplay her death and it seems like it is basically swept under the rug. Or is it on purpose the L.E. is doing this, or making it seem that way, while they are behind the scenes doing an intense investigation and trailing a suspect? Remember, there was never any explanation as to why her neck bone was missing, or why her belongings were found the way they were. I really see all this as a ray of light, as it makes me think they are about to catch this guy and are hot on his trail. Too many things are kept on the down low, like the phone calls LISK made, if there were any recordings made, what specifically he said (details), and the common denominator they found when searching the all the dead girls computers and email/ad correspondence. Finally, the FBI not getting involved or held back from being involved almost certainly suggests that this case is about to be solved, and L.E. is just dotting their I's and crossing the T's as they did with BTK and a few other maniacs.

 

[giagreen]

There was no recordings made in the phone calls to MB's sister.

When escorts post an ad they put the ad up with a phone number. There would have been no need for them to email and correspond with the perp via email. So that's another dead end.

And it took LE 31 years to catch the BTK. They are far from catching this perp just like they were the BTK. Let's just hope that like BTK this perp will make a mistake and be caught.

 

[mayankoza]

There was no recordings made in the phone calls to MB's sister.

When escorts post an ad they put the ad up with a phone number. There would have been no need for them to email and correspond with the perp via email. So that's another dead end.

And it took LE 31 years to catch the BTK. They are far from catching this perp just like they were the BTK. Let's just hope that like BTK this perp will make a mistake and be caught.

I believe there were recording made, as the lawyer for MB's family stated "From the information I have, the guy is a white male in his 30's to 40's, well spoken, etc."

Also, I believe not all the ads posted by the girls contained a phone number, maybe I am wrong on this. They did trace the calls made to all of the girls phones and it came from burner phones registered under the name "Mickey Mouse."

I think just like BTK this guy has left enough evidence behind to catch him, and they might be closer to getting him than we think.

 

[giagreen]

Yes but it was later discovered that "the information" that he had had was based off of what Amanda had said the man calling sounded like. Johnny Terry also described him as a white guy.

LE never released anything saying that they had traced all the phone calls made to the girls and that it had come back under the name Mickey Mouse.

But they did trace the phone calls that John Terry was receiving and that was linked back to a burner phone under then name "Mickey Mouse".

I personally think that LE has a good idea as of who has done this but I don't think they have single trace of evidence.

 

[mayankoza]

I agree that they do know who the guy is or have a strong suspicion, that's why Dormer earlier on in the investigation said they are very confident the case will be solved, and I think the biggest clue to them having a strong person of interest is them not allowing the FBI into the investigation, and the FBI not taking the authority to force themselves into the investigation.

 

[giagreen]

Didn't Dormer at one point say something like..your going to be surprised once you find out who it is? Or something like that. Kind of makes you wonder.

 

[giagreen]

Hey guys,
I am wondering why after the 911 call Shannon Gilbert made, after her belongings were found far from her body, after her neck bone was found missing from her neck, and finally after her body was found in close proximity within the other murder victims does L.E. downplay her death and it seems like it is basically swept under the rug. Or is it on purpose the L.E. is doing this, or making it seem that way, while they are behind the scenes doing an intense investigation and trailing a suspect? Remember, there was never any explanation as to why her neck bone was missing, or why her belongings were found the way they were. I really see all this as a ray of light, as it makes me think they are about to catch this guy and are hot on his trail. Too many things are kept on the down low, like the phone calls LISK made, if there were any recordings made, what specifically he said (details), and the common denominator they found when searching the all the dead girls computers and email/ad correspondence. Finally, the FBI not getting involved or held back from being involved almost certainly suggests that this case is about to be solved, and L.E. is just dotting their I's and crossing the T's as they did with BTK and a few other maniacs.

I forgot to add the first time that I was going to agree with you that they are down playing the fact that SG could of been murdered.

It's kind of in my little theory that they do think she was murdered but that they don't want the perp to think that. I've always thought that.

 

[ps149]

Hey guys,
Or is it on purpose the L.E. is doing this, or making it seem that way, while they are behind the scenes doing an intense investigation and trailing a suspect?

Wishful thinking. The reality is that the intense multi-agency task force with unlimited overtime/man-hours no longer exists.

There are newer cases to investigate. The SG investigation has been over the moment her death wasn't ruled a homicide. The GB-4 and other Gilgo deaths are now cold cases that are on the back-burner unless some new evidence (or victims) surface.

 

[hawkshaw]

YOU folks just don't get it. IMO the police have a very good idea how the GB4 and SG unfolded. They just don't want to solve it because the trail leads to places they don't want to go.

The now Chief of Department became the Chief AFTER the murders. The very first thing he did was to bring back the supervisors and detectives that had been transferred out of homicide. Since that time there is credible evidence the Chief was involved with a crack head prostitute with 27 arrests. He admits to a 6 month affair with this woman. He misplaced his weapon twice. Once he left it in his car and gave the car to his girlfriend. Internal Affairs did an investigation of this miscreant in 199? It clearly stated he conducted in such misconduct and it was substantiated.

How the heck can anyone trust the work of the SCPD?

Do I have to repeat the many other suspicious circumstances that occurred in this investigation.

The Chief's girlfriend was a common street walker doing the stroll in the precinct he was a sergeant in. He had sex with her in his patrol car. He says he didn't. Trust me the IAB Report was as bad as it can get and I will tell you that isn't even half of the story.

 

[mayankoza]

I highly doubt the cops are in on this or the suspect is some one powerful. I think the reason they have a strong suspect is because he was a regular client of all of the girls at least for a while, and then he decides to kill them. I think they have traced a common person back to all of the girls. This also proves why the women went without their phones or giving other details about the guy to their boyfriends or pimps. I do not think he is LE former or present at all. I am just wondering how SG's neck bone was missing. How can a bone in the neck be missing and it not be reported a homicide or at least suspicious death? This leads me to believe the cops have someone in their sights

 

[giagreen]

206 bones in the human body and LE only found 205 of SG's bones. The only one missing happens to be the one little tiny bone anyone would need to tell if she was strangled. That's weird. That makes me wonder. And it also makes me think someone meant to take that bone.

I don't know anything about this but I was wondering if maybe if she was strangled if that bone would break and make it a little bit easier for it to fall off her or something? Would anyone have any insight to that?

And I've seen bad cops before. I am well a wear that there is corruption in all areas of the world within the police offices. I don't doubt that. But I truly highly doubt that SCPD is coving up for a serial killer.