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[bearschick]

I don't think, there are much chances with metal detectors for gold. Aren't they working on magnetic fields?

RSBM~Metal detectors are searching for metal, gold, silver, aluminum, steel and whatever else that is a type of metal. A cell phone can be located with one. As could an implant made of surgical steel or whatever. I really am surprised that there hasn't been more searches done with them on that stretch of land.

 

[Redbird]

I have to agree with Hawkshaw's comment that they don't want to find any more bodies.They have spent a lot of money and I think they probably know who the SK is. The whole affair is probably entangled in so much LE and political corruption, it would ruin careers, people would go to jail, reputations would be destroyed. I imagine all they want is for the SK is to leave the state and become someone else's problem.

 

[Peter Brendt]

I have to agree with Hawkshaw's comment that they don't want to find any more bodies.They have spent a lot of money and I think they probably know who the SK is. The whole affair is probably entangled in so much LE and political corruption, it would ruin careers, people would go to jail, reputations would be destroyed. I imagine all they want is for the SK is to leave the state and become someone else's problem.

Well, that's a pretty big claim. A conspiracy going up into the highest level of politics if possible. The very stuff, novels are made from. Still, while I as a writer love to write such stories in novels, in reality one would need more than anecdotes and stories to make that claim stick. Reality demands for evidence.

 

[hawkshaw]

Well, that's a pretty big claim. A conspiracy going up into the highest level of politics if possible. The very stuff, novels are made from. Still, while I as a writer love to write such stories in novels, in reality one would need more than anecdotes and stories to make that claim stick. Reality demands for evidence.

Why don't you read "Scandal at the Oak Beach Inn", which happens to be a non-fiction book about corruption in NYS, centered at Suffolk County. For a bonus you will note the Oak Beach Inn was located not far from where the bodies were found.

 

[Peter Brendt]

Why don't you read "Scandal at the Oak Beach Inn", which happens to be a non-fiction book about corruption in NYS, centered at Suffolk County. For a bonus you will note the Oak Beach Inn was located not far from where the bodies were found.

Because I have currently no time, so I got me kind of the Cliff-notes. Point is, there is no connection visible yet between the GB4, SG and the story in "Scandal'". Which maybe is because the "scandal" story was long over before MBB was killed.
Get me right here, I don't doubt, there is something fishy in Suffolk Co. I doubt, it is connected to the case, we're working here. SKs rarely give a damn about their local officials unless said local official would be on their kill list. And they are hard to integrate in any bigger conspiracies because they're driven by their psychopathology, which means, they have always their own agenda and that makes them kind of a lose canon on deck. Aside of that, the psychopathic part of the spectrum doesn't play well with others and especially other psychopaths and since most politicians show some psychopathic behavior (pathological lying, sense of entitlement, recklessness), they also don't play well with politicians.
And SG? The only case, which isn't connected to an SK? Well, it's a long stretch to construct a big conspiracy to kill a single Craigslist escort, isn't it? Especially, since the one man in the center, JB, doesn't appear to be too connected at all.

 

[Just K]

The assumption that this is a Serial Killer, as opposed to a Disposal Guy or guys, who happens to take pleasure in torturing some of those he is directed to dispose of, makes it difficult to consider that the motivation for killing all these people might have been to prevent a possible political scandal or the arrest of kingpins and powerful players in some organized crime scheme.

If you look at the dates for the BIG Drug Busts, in Suffolk & Nassau Counties, as well as those with Brooklyn and Bronx connections, then note the number of times that LE personnel are among those arrested or affiliated, it is hard to eliminate the possibility that here is widespread corruption in all corners of NY politics and LE. It follows that those involved might turn a blind eye to the disposal of those who could possibly expose them and in turn bring them down.

 

[BKS]

I have to agree with Hawkshaw's comment that they don't want to find any more bodies.They have spent a lot of money and I think they probably know who the SK is. The whole affair is probably entangled in so much LE and political corruption, it would ruin careers, people would go to jail, reputations would be destroyed. I imagine all they want is for the SK is to leave the state and become someone else's problem.

Right, because in December 2011, they claimed homicides were down 20% in Suffolk County! ha

 

[fred&edna]

What's the likelihood the perp is a law enforcement wanna-be (applied and was denied), with a history of impersonating a police officer? I don't know if this man knew/had contact with any other victims but he did know SG and he has ties to the drug trade. He falls within the age range of the LISK profile. His home address is in a neighboring state. Should I keep working on this possible POI? Accepting all input, TIA

 

[Peter Brendt]

The assumption that this is a Serial Killer, as opposed to a Disposal Guy or guys, who happens to take pleasure in torturing some of those he is directed to dispose of, makes it difficult to consider that the motivation for killing all these people might have been to prevent a possible political scandal or the arrest of kingpins and powerful players in some organized crime scheme.

If you look at the dates for the BIG Drug Busts, in Suffolk & Nassau Counties, as well as those with Brooklyn and Bronx connections, then note the number of times that LE personnel are among those arrested or affiliated, it is hard to eliminate the possibility that here is widespread corruption in all corners of NY politics and LE. It follows that those involved might turn a blind eye to the disposal of those who could possibly expose them and in turn bring them down.

Again, I don't doubt, things are fishy in LI. Your drug bust list is a nice start to look into that. But to combine an SK with that part is a little bit far fetched, since such a conspiracy wouldn't be able to control a psychopath. They can't be used because they follow their own weird stars.

 

[Peter Brendt]

What's the likelihood the perp is a law enforcement wanna-be (applied and was denied), with a history of impersonating a police officer? I don't know if this man knew/had contact with any other victims but he did know SG and he has ties to the drug trade. He falls within the age range of the LISK profile. His home address is in a neighboring state. Should I keep working on this possible POI? Accepting all input, TIA

LE-reject sounds good to me. Age range of which of the many LISK profiles?

 

[LINative13]

This is entangled in politcal and police corruption?

Don't you think that Mr. Bellone would want to close the case from his hometown if evidence was there? He don't answer to anyone. It would probably set him up for a run at Governor. But there must be somekind of undertow pulling him back......like a couple guys going out on a boat to go fishing, or a bunch of guys playing golf to raise money for charity.
So everyone knows about this except the repubs? Because if they knew; they would be plastering it everywhere....especially since they are still bitter because their control was destroyed by well planned, and executed campaigns. Sore losers are the worst.

 

[Just K]

Again, I don't doubt, things are fishy in LI. Your drug bust list is a nice start to look into that. But to combine an SK with that part is a little bit far fetched, since such a conspiracy wouldn't be able to control a psychopath. They can't be used because they follow their own weird stars.

Maybe he is dead now, too...because he was a loose cannon?

 

[Just K]

PB, I am saying that maybe he/she (the killer) was not seen as a serial killer but someone responsible for the disposal of problem employees or outside threats to an organized gang, mob, ring, whatever...And, that once his work was exposed as being creative as opposed to technical that he too became a liability to his employer.

Let's say a crime ring has some influential or LE personnel and or clients (we have seen this in several of the recent BUSTS,) it would be to their business advantage to protect both their personnel and their clients as well as the operation of their business. In order to do that, anyone seen as a real threat to their organization might be dealt with accordingly and presumably by someone from within the organization.

None of this is far-fetched...nor is it conspiracy theory...it is well documented procedure in re: to many crime organizations...Russian, Italian, Mexican, Vietnamese...the list goes on & on.

 

[Peter Brendt]

Maybe he is dead now, too...because he was a loose cannon?

If he is dead, and I don't trust in that before I see the body, it's either because he had a real life accident or his colleague from Manorville got him. But then we would know, because his torso would be staged near Gilgo Beach in the middle of the road. But, despite all my creative imagination, a bunch of politicians would get to him. He is careful and he wouldn't hesitate a second so some hypothetical desk-jockey conspirators couldn't pull off such a thing without casualties on their own side. So ... if Ballone goes missing, or Spota or whoever else would be in that hypothetical circle, we can discuss that, but earlier, it doesn't make sense for me.

 

[Peter Brendt]

PB, I am saying that maybe he/she (the killer) was not seen as a serial killer but someone responsible for the disposal of problem employees or outside threats to an organized gang, mob, ring, whatever...And, that once his work was exposed as being creative as opposed to technical that he too became a liability to his employer.

Let's say a crime ring has some influential or LE personnel and or clients (we have seen this in several of the recent BUSTS,) it would be to their business advantage to protect both their personnel and their clients as well as the operation of their business. In order to do that, anyone seen as a real threat to their organization might be dealt with accordingly and presumably by someone from within the organization.

None of this is far-fetched...nor is it conspiracy theory...it is well documented procedure in re: to many crime organizations...Russian, Italian, Mexican, Vietnamese...the list goes on & on.

I don't even know where to start. A hitmen with that attitude would have been recognized as what he is, years ago. Then, we talk about Oak Beach here. While I don't doubt that some are corrupt there, I doubt seriously, they would be as gangsters more skilful or in anyway better organized than in other aspects of their life. Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar and a usage disabled boss-cop is just a usage-disabled boss-cop.
If they would be, what you say and would have an interest in the case, nobody would have ever found SG. Her remains would rest on the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean or drifting out with the gulf stream. And if JB would be that connected to be protected by a mob including police, then the search fo his house wouldn't have occurred in the first place. LISK wouldn't have seen the need to play phone games, but opposite refrained from it (because latest at that point, those "mobsters" would have made the connection). And if he would be the hitman for a big mob organization, why are only four in his graveyard? Only four Craigslist escorts without any mob connection at all! So yes, given the facts, it still sounds far far far stretched to me.

 

[hawkshaw]

<modsnip>

I believe that in a case such as the GB4 and SG, that sooner or later they will in some way be connected to those murders in such a way that it would come back to bite them in the butt should ALL the facts come out.

I propose my theories with an explanation of who I am and why I focus on the investigation. The reader is free to decide if I have a bias that is strong enough to render my opinions worthless.

One Webmaster is from Utah. Another is from Texas. At least they are open to suggestion from someone that was in law enforcement that lives in the area. A former LeO who has seen a royal frame job and after a couple of years looking for the truth came to the inescapable conclusion that an innocent man was framed to protect themselves from the eyes of the media and from prosecution, if a DA was willing to pursue a case against his own cohorts.

 

[Sillybilly]

Not the forum police here, but just a reminder to peeps to please not respond to posts that you think are offensive or too angsty ... just flag it and let a Mod deal with it. Otherwise we run the risk of the forum being closed AGAIN, and that is counter-productive to why we are all here.

 

[hawkshaw]

This is entangled in politcal and police corruption?

Don't you think that Mr. Bellone would want to close the case from his hometown if evidence was there? He don't answer to anyone. It would probably set him up for a run at Governor. But there must be somekind of undertow pulling him back......like a couple guys going out on a boat to go fishing, or a bunch of guys playing golf to raise money for charity.
So everyone knows about this except the repubs? Because if they knew; they would be plastering it everywhere....especially since they are still bitter because their control was destroyed by well planned, and executed campaigns. Sore losers are the worst.

Of course Mr.Bellone would want to close this case. It would be a huge feather in his cap. But would he want to see it solved if some of his own people are even indirectly involved in the investigation? I don't think so, or even the chance it would come out.

NO CE, mayor, governor, or some such person wants a SCANDAL of this magnitude.

John Lindsay had a police corruption scandal to deal with when he was the mayor. He attempted a scam to make the public think he was going to do something about it. He hires on Philly PC Howard Leary. Phiily cops make NYPD look like the Vatican Guard in comparison. All the JVL did was to bring in a PC from a far worse corrupt PD, and that caused the Knapp Commission because Leary refused to cooperate.

The story that I got from a very credible source is that Philly cops caught <modsnip> in a very compromising situation. Leary got picked because he knew how to keep a secret.

There is always a story behind a story, a story you will never hear.

You just don't pick a PC from a PD more corrupt than your own Department and make him the PC.

I remember we went to Camden, NY, or just across the bridge from Philly. We picked up a murder suspect. We asked to use Camdem's room to talk to our guy. In a few minutes two Camdem detectives came in and said you guys better not pull that crap those Philly cops do when they come over here. And that was 15 years after Leary was our PC.

 

[hawkshaw]

I am not suggesting that LE killed any of the gals. However, I am not ruling it out. It is just very unlikely. What I am suggesting is someone that has used the services of these gals and their operators may be someone very well connected, or a LE. That is all I am saying. You ask too many questions and you may get too many answers you don't want to hear.

We know there is a NYS Trooper in Buffalo that ran a sex ring. We know one of the gals came from there. A poster put up some information placing the gal and the trooper in an area very close to each other. The Webmaster, as I recall, said there wasn't enough information to support that information and removed it.

How are we common folks going to get corroborating evidence to support our claims and suggestions?

 

[Just K]

Hawk, here is a link to what is left re: Titus Taggart...NYS Trooper/Pimp/G

http://websleuths.com/forums/showth...Buffalo+State+Trooper+Long+Island#post8049105