PR interview

[Jayelles]

I wonder if this was a trick question?

5 Q. I am not going through, from the
6 minute you walked in the door Christmas
7 coming back from dropping presents off, but
8 what I would like to do, and I don't believe
9 you have been asked this, if you can recall
10 when you got upstairs, had John hung up his
11 clothes that he had worn on the 25th, if you
12 remember?
13 MR. WOOD: Had he hung them up?
14 MR. LEVIN: Yes.
15 THE WITNESS: You mean when I
16 came up to get ready for bed?
17 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Yes. Do you
18 remember if he had just left them laying
19 around or if he had hung them up?
20 A. I don't remember. I mean, my
21 dressing room, bathroom, was this direction
22 and his was that direction. So I didn't, I
23 didn't see it.

Anyone spot anything odd?

 

[Deleted member 278]

It's a Monday...not into thinking today. What's the oddity?

 

[Jayelles]

It's a Monday...not into thinking today. What's the oddity?

I want to see if anyone else can see how this might be a trick question.

 

[Deleted member 278]

To trip her up because of her most likely not going to bed that night?

 

[UKGuy]

Here's another oddity.

In his 1998 interview, John Ramsey was told my Lou Smith that the substance in Jonbenet's digestive system was pineapple - no question. He said this was the big "bugaboo".

Yet in DOI, which was written AFTER those interviews, Patsy Ramsey dismissed the pineapple as an "urban legend" (p 273 DOI HB).

Patsy was questioned about this in the 2000 interviews:-



John Ramsey knew the pineapple was important - Lou Smith emphasised that to him - yet John Ramsey didn't see fit to tell Patsy?

Does this mean JR didn't believe Lou Smit?
Does it mean that John and Patsy didn't discuss important things?
Does it mean that despite the interview with Lou SMit, the Ramseys saw fit to lie about the pineapple in their book? (we know they didn't expect those interviews to be made public)
Other reason?

Jayelles,

Patsy would have been told, she has to know what to answer and what not to. Anyway it may have been Patsy who supervised JonBenet's pineapple snack, making telling her redundant.

The pineapple information is not in their book since it demolishes their assertion that JonBenet was in bed sleeping. Which might place Burke under some scrutiny?


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[why_nutt]

I wonder if this was a trick question?

Anyone spot anything odd?

Contrast it with John's 1998 answer on the same subject.

LOU SMIT: When you normally go to bed, and especially that night, everybody has a way of getting rid of the (INAUDIBLE) they got on. What is your habit of doing that? I mean, what do you remember doing that night?

JOHN RAMSEY: Normally, and I don't mean specifically, normally I would have changed in the bathroom. Sometimes I would hang the clothes on the hook on the back of the door. We had the laundry chute. If the stuff was dirty I would typically take it to the laundry chute.

We have Patsy claiming that she had no idea what John did with his clothing prior to entering the parental bed because her view of his clothing-disposal area was blocked, and so he might have dropped his party clothes on the floor, or he might have hung them up, she has no clue. On the other hand, we have John stating that there are only two options for him: he either hangs them up, or puts them in the laundry chute. Dropping them on the floor is not an option for him.

You might think a wife would have some notion of what her husband's clothing habits are after sixteen years of living in the same house and sharing the same bedroom, but if a wife were on the hot seat and being questioned about the circumstances surrounding a murder in her house, she might want to hedge her bets and claim that she did not know and could not remember. After all, how can an investigator proactively investigate a statement of "I don't know"?

Edited to add: Hmm. Here is another thought. According to the Ramsey family timeline, John spent half an hour on a floor below the top bedroom, playing with Burke. (It has not been quite clear whether they played together in Burke's room on the second floor or in the living room on the first floor.) In any case, during that same time period, Patsy claims she fairly quickly put JonBenet to bed. Obviously, she has claimed no interaction with a wakeful JonBenet, so Patsy's timeline allows time only for taking JonBenet's pants off, putting on the long underwear, saying a quick prayer, and then up to the third floor. This would not take half an hour. So, do tell: how could Patsy, already in the bedroom, not see what John did with his clothes from her position in the bed, which faced directly into both dressing rooms and bathrooms? Or were investigators trying to trip her up by exposing the fact that, with John occupied for half an hour, she would also have to account for having spent half an hour doing unspecified things on the second floor that she chose not to describe, if she wanted to stick to the story about not knowing what John did with his clothes before he went to bed?

 

[UKGuy]

I wonder if this was a trick question?



Anyone spot anything odd?

Jayelles,

I reckon they are trying to lock in the location of John's black woolen shirt. If fibers from that shirt were actually discovered in JonBenet's genital area, then in a court case that is compelling evidence.


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[JMO8778]

Jayelles,

I reckon they are trying to lock in the location of John's black woolen shirt. If fibers from that shirt were actually discovered in JonBenet's genital area, then in a court case that is compelling evidence.


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I agree.
In DOI,JR seems to be trying to account for his clothes and underwear fibers being in JB's room,more specifically,near her bed.

In DOI,JR says PR was already in bed when he got there.(obv. a lie, IMO)

 

[Toltec]

What I've read about the timeline, John and Burke are in the living room putting a toy together while Patsy undresses and changes JonBenet's clothes. Then she goes on to say she is in JAR's room, packing clothes, then she says she is downstairs (basement) wrapping presents.

 

[Ames]

Here's another oddity.

In his 1998 interview, John Ramsey was told my Lou Smith that the substance in Jonbenet's digestive system was pineapple - no question. He said this was the big "bugaboo".

Yet in DOI, which was written AFTER those interviews, Patsy Ramsey dismissed the pineapple as an "urban legend" (p 273 DOI HB).

Patsy was questioned about this in the 2000 interviews:-



John Ramsey knew the pineapple was important - Lou Smith emphasised that to him - yet John Ramsey didn't see fit to tell Patsy?

Does this mean JR didn't believe Lou Smit?
Does it mean that John and Patsy didn't discuss important things?
Does it mean that despite the interview with Lou SMit, the Ramseys saw fit to lie about the pineapple in their book? (we know they didn't expect those interviews to be made public)
Other reason?

That would be MY guess. They are chronic liars...imo.

 

[Jayelles]

Yep - I guessed Why_Nut would nail it

According to their own statements, Patsy went to bed before John.

TT: Okay. What time did John go to bed that night? Do you remember hearing him come upstairs at all.[/font]
PR: Yeah. I remember him coming to bed. I don’t know what time it was. It was shortly after I came to bed.

TT: Okay. You went upstairs and got ready for bed; was Patsy already in bed by the time you went upstairs?[/font]
JR: She was in bed when I went to go to bed, I remember that. Uh, . . .

 

[Cranberry]

from DOI (page 9) JR: "At about 9:30 I led Burke upstairs and got him ready for bed, then tucked him in and turned out the light. I went on up to our room on the third floor, which we had converted from an attic space to a master suite in 1993. Patsy was already in bed. I got ready, took a melatonin tablet..."

PR clarified the question. Why didn't she just say she saw no clothes because he hadn't come up to bed yet?

 

[Jayelles]

from DOI (page 9) JR: "At about 9:30 I led Burke upstairs and got him ready for bed, then tucked him in and turned out the light. I went on up to our room on the third floor, which we had converted from an attic space to a master suite in 1993. Patsy was already in bed. I got ready, took a melatonin tablet..."

PR clarified the question. Why didn't she just say she saw no clothes because he hadn't come up to bed yet?

Well I think that would have been my response!

 

[Jayelles]

Michael Kane's comments about the Ramesey interviews:-

Kane spent many hours questioning John and Patsy Ramsey about their daughter's murder. He said he believes they have yet to give him the straight story.

"When I met with them, I never felt that they were genuine," Kane said. "I always felt like I was talking to a press secretary who was giving responses with a spin.
"I always felt like their answers were very careful and, in some cases, scripted. And that caused me a lot of concern."

SNIP


Reflecting now on his interviews with the Ramseys, Kane said, "I never felt like I was getting a spontaneous response.
"John Ramsey always left me with the impression that he was a very smart man, and he is very careful at answering questions," Kane said. "Whereas, Patsy struck me as somebody that just had an answer in advance of the question, and just kind of resorted to an 'I don't know' if she didn't have an answer in advance."

 

[Nuisanceposter]

And that's exactly how the Ramseys come off in the interviews I've seen. I think the closest glimpse into who the Rs really are came from that LKL interview where Steve Thomas grilled them harder than they've ever been grilled on tv, before or since.

 

[Solace]

from DOI (page 9) JR: "At about 9:30 I led Burke upstairs and got him ready for bed, then tucked him in and turned out the light. I went on up to our room on the third floor, which we had converted from an attic space to a master suite in 1993. Patsy was already in bed. I got ready, took a melatonin tablet..."

PR clarified the question. Why didn't she just say she saw no clothes because he hadn't come up to bed yet?

Cranberry, since I believe Patsy and John are involved up to their ears, I think that whenever they are presented with a question that appears to be a leading question that may cause them difficulty, the response is usually "I don't recall, that does look strange, I am not sure, maybe John would know or maybe Patsy would recall", it all happened so fast. HOWEVER, they cannot take back the fact that Patsy said "John screamed for me when he came up from the basement" when she meant to say he was coming down the stairs from the bedroom, but unfortunately for Patsy, she told the truth for once. Thank you Patsy and thank you Rocket for finding that little gem.

They lie all the time, just all the time.

 

[why_nutt]

Reflecting now on his interviews with the Ramseys, Kane said, "I never felt like I was getting a spontaneous response.

"John Ramsey always left me with the impression that he was a very smart man, and he is very careful at answering questions," Kane said. "Whereas, Patsy struck me as somebody that just had an answer in advance of the question, and just kind of resorted to an 'I don't know' if she didn't have an answer in advance."

I think it cannot be emphasized enough on the Patsy end that she spent several of her first adult years being groomed and grooming herself for the role of pageant queen. Her most extensive training was in the arts of Making An Impression and Saying What Would Make Her Look Good. In July of 1977, Patsy was still only 20 years old, yet an article and interview with her (on the occasion of her win of Miss West Virginia) that appeared in the Charleston Daily Mail of that time shows how thoroughly Patsy wanted to veer away from being a simple, honest human being and go in the direction of being an artificial package of a person, a consummate actress saying whatever it took to manipulate an audience, whether it would be pageant judges or police investigators in a murder case:

She realized that being "good" was not "good enough" for an aspiring Miss America. The level of her presentation must be refined and redefined, revised and rehearsed until it was as nearly perfect as possible. After nearly a year of analyzing every inflection, expression and gesture of the characterizations, she continues to search for the smallest glint of an eye or toss of the head that might add dimension to her characterizations.

A certain amount of backstage nervousness is inevitable, says Patsy — even desirable, since it "gets the adrenaline going." But on stage, she says, "I
feel very relaxed about my talent. When I say the first few lines and get everyone else in the palm of my hand, then I go into my own little world. It's
as if I'm completely alone."

Yes, I can just bet Patsy walked into her various investigatory interviews expecting not to tell the simple truth, but to "say the first few lines and get everyone else in the palm of my hand." State simple facts? Facts do not win a pageant title. Facts do not win a potential husband away from his Atlanta girlfriend. Facts do not help a child with dishwater-blond hair win pageants against girls with bright golden locks. And facts do not make a suspect in a murder case look like a genuinely grieving mother. So, best to throw around as many "I don't remember"s as can be gotten away with and risk looking like a flake rather than end up in prison.

 

[JMO8778]

I think it cannot be emphasized enough on the Patsy end that she spent several of her first adult years being groomed and grooming herself for the role of pageant queen. Her most extensive training was in the arts of Making An Impression and Saying What Would Make Her Look Good. In July of 1977, Patsy was still only 20 years old, yet an article and interview with her (on the occasion of her win of Miss West Virginia) that appeared in the Charleston Daily Mail of that time shows how thoroughly Patsy wanted to veer away from being a simple, honest human being and go in the direction of being an artificial package of a person, a consummate actress saying whatever it took to manipulate an audience, whether it would be pageant judges or police investigators in a murder case:



Yes, I can just bet Patsy walked into her various investigatory interviews expecting not to tell the simple truth, but to "say the first few lines and get everyone else in the palm of my hand." State simple facts? Facts do not win a pageant title. Facts do not win a potential husband away from his Atlanta girlfriend. Facts do not help a child with dishwater-blond hair win pageants against girls with bright golden locks. And facts do not make a suspect in a murder case look like a genuinely grieving mother. So, best to throw around as many "I don't remember"s as can be gotten away with and risk looking like a flake rather than end up in prison.

that was so well-said,all of it !! :clap:

 

[why_nutt]

that was so well-said,all of it !! :clap:

I mean, come on. What was her first job out of college? Working for an advertising agency. Talk about playing to one's strengths -- no wonder she was good at convincing people to buy what she was selling, no matter what it was.

 

[Jayelles]

Curiosity got the better of me. I've done a word count of Patsy's 2000 Atlanta interview.

Patsy spoke for 16% of the time.
Lin Wood spoke for 36% of the time
Everyone else (9 others) combined spoke for 48% of the time. The others were:-

11 MICHAEL KANE, Esq.
12 BRUCE LEVIN, Esq.
13 MITCH MORRISSEY, Esq.
14 MARK R. BECKNER
15 TOM WICKMAN
16 TOM TRUJILLO
17 JANE HARMER
20 Ollie Gray
21 John San Agustin



i.e. This was Patsy's interview, but Lin Wood did most of the talking.