Protesters could be hindering conclusion.

[Seranade]

I have a hard time wrapping my mind around the assumption that LE is lying, but someone currently charged with neglect, false statements, forgery, theft etc is not....

Just because Casey is a liar and a thief doesn't mean LE wouldn't use a tactic LE has used countless times before, in many cases and for many different reasons.

 

[unsaid]

Let's put aside the decomp and scientific evidence for a sec... Real, credible sightings! Some part of Casey's story turning out to be true! Someone being able to cooberate Casey's story or even saying, "You know, she was acting very weird and stressed, and leaving Tony's apt at weird times, she could have been looking for her child.... Any of those would be a great start to disproving her death

Good point. Thanks for looking at it from both sides! (not to imply that you weren't before!) In this particular post you looked at it from both sides is what I mean!

 

[yolorado]

The way I see it, it's not up to us on the outside to unlock Casey and get her to tell the truth, which may not be possible anyway. It would be nice if her parents, or her lawyer or the police could crack this nut, but there should be no blame if they can't because it may be impossible. Personally, I think tact is to stick her back in jail without hope of getting out...although that now that may not occur until after conviction and appeal. I wish she'd stayed in jail 'til now. I think that might have done the trick. Unfortunately LP and her parents got her out so we'll never know.

 

[jbar]

Just because Casey is a liar and a thief doesn't mean LE wouldn't use a tactic LE has used countless times before, in many cases and for many different reasons.

That has nothing to do with what I said.

The person I quoted seems to think that LE is lying about everything, their evidence etc. It's all make believe, or "hocus pocus" I guess. Add to that, the poster I quoted also seems to believe they have no problem making all this up, to implicate Casey and Casey only. That, and other comments said poster has made, indicates he or she thinks Casey is innocent, and doesn't believe LE.... that's all I was addressing.

I was not addressing LE's strategy, or tactics they may or may not be using with Casey.

 

[SUR]

Double standard??

But what would surprise and even shock most jury members is the extent to which police officers lie on the stand to reinforce the prosecution and not jeopardize their own standing within their own particular law enforcement community. The words of one twenty-five-year veteran senior officer of a northern New Jersey police force still ring in my ears: "...... I don't know one of my fellow officers who hasn't lied under oath." Not too long ago a prominent Ncw York judge, when asked if perjury by police was a problem, responded, "Oh, sure, cops often lie on the stand."
http://www.geocities.com/mobaster/criminals.htm

 

[Seranade]

Let's put aside the decomp and scientific evidence for a sec... Real, credible sightings! Some part of Casey's story turning out to be true! Someone being able to cooberate Casey's story or even saying, "You know, she was acting very weird and stressed, and leaving Tony's apt at weird times, she could have been looking for her child.... Any of those would be a great start to disproving her death

I think there is evidence of stress. I haven't seen any evidence that Casey was stealing before the time of Caylee's disappearance. I'm not saying there isn't such evidence, just that I haven't seen it. It seems tho, that this behaviour escalated around the time Caylee went missing.

 

[yolorado]

Just because Casey is a liar and a thief doesn't mean LE wouldn't use a tactic LE has used countless times before, in many cases and for many different reasons.

Fine with me. If LE has a woman who says her child was kidnapped but tells them nothing to help them find her baby, who makes up kidnappers who don't exist, let cops use whatever tactics they feel like using to take her down. (I don't mean perjury.) SHE WON'T HELP THEM FIND HER BABY!! She should go down for life for that alone.

 

[jbar]

I think there is evidence of stress.

Really? Was the stealing from Amy to go shopping at Target a form of retail therapy? Not to be flip, but come on....

I haven't seen any evidence that Casey was stealing before the time of Caylee's disappearance. I'm not saying there isn't such evidence, just that I haven't seen it.

Her friends said she has long been known as a liar and thief. Wasn't the stealing from her grandparents account PRIOR to the disappearance... hence the "Drammmmma" post on FB, the fight the neighbors heard, and her needing to get out of the house?

 

[SUR]

I think there is evidence of stress. I haven't seen any evidence that Casey was stealing before the time of Caylee's disappearance. I'm not saying there isn't such evidence, just that I haven't seen it. It seems tho, that this behaviour escalated around the time Caylee went missing.

Yes and no one knows why. Maybe it will come out at trial?

 

[Seranade]

That has nothing to do with what I said.

The person I quoted seems to think that LE is lying about everything, their evidence etc. It's all make believe, or "hocus pocus" I guess. Add to that, the poster I quoted also seems to believe they have no problem making all this up, to implicate Casey and Casey only. That, and other comments said poster has made, indicates he or she thinks Casey is innocent, and doesn't believe LE.... that's all I was addressing.

I was not addressing LE's strategy, or tactics they may or may not be using with Casey.

Alright, sorry I misunderstood you. I happen to believe LE is using lying as a tactic in this case, but probably not for the reasons you would think they are doing it.

But let's not fool ourselves that no LE entity in this country has ever lied for corrupt reasons.

 

[unsaid]

The way I see it, it's not up to us on the outside to unlock Casey and get her to tell the truth, which may not be possible anyway. It would be nice if her parents, or her lawyer or the police could crack this nut, but there should be no blame if they can't because it may be impossible. Personally, I think tact is to stick her back in jail without hope of getting out...although that now that may not occur until after conviction and appeal. I wish she'd stayed in jail 'til now. I think that might have done the trick. Unfortunately LP and her parents got her out so we'll never know.

What if we, the public, were all sympathetic with Casey? What if everyone was saying "poor casey, she lost her daughter, how terrible for her?" Similar to how Susan Smith was treated. What if the protestors were there for support instead?

I'm not encouraging any of this, of course. I'm just thinking that's how things would have to be to get Casey to let her guard down and make a mistake, in words or action. That appeals to her ego and her need for attention. The first jail phone call she was a little upset that "all anyone cares about is caylee". If we didn't care about Caylee and listened to the woe is me stories that would surely follow from Casey, we might get closer to finding Caylee because Casey would be talking and we'd have more lies to pull bits of truth from.

Everything I just said is crazy talk though LOL. I know it's unrealistic! So I think it's unrealistic to think that Casey may ever tell what happened to Caylee.

 

[jbar]

But let's not fool ourselves that no LE entity in this country has ever lied for corrupt reasons.

I don't think that any one here would disagree with that - but I also don't think that has anything to do with where we are today with this case. IMO that's a tactic to get the focus off Casey.

 

[Seranade]

Really? Was the stealing from Amy to go shopping at Target a form of retail therapy? Not to be flip, but come on....



Her friends said she has long been known as a liar and thief. Wasn't the stealing from her grandparents account PRIOR to the disappearance... hence the "Drammmmma" post on FB, the fight the neighbors heard, and her needing to get out of the house?

Not that anecdotal evidence means squat, but I had an aunt who was a cleptomaniac and she only stole when she was under stress. She stole things like stuffed animals, candy bars, etc. Things that gave her comfort. Many, many people shop to relieve stress.

The drammmmmma post mentioned she hadn't been living at the house herself in 9 days. I think it was the 24th.

edited to add: not that the 24th posting date discounts what you say. The date of her post would put the drammmmma at the house at the 15th, which is the last time anyone can say definitively that Caylee was at the Anthony's.

 

[unsaid]

Not that anecdotal evidence means squat, but I had an aunt who was a cleptomaniac and she only stole when she was under stress. She stole things like stuffed animals, candy bars, etc. Things that gave her comfort. Many, many people shop to relieve stress.

The drammmmmma post mentioned she hadn't been living at the house herself in 9 days. I think it was the 24th.

Good point (as if I'm keeping score lol). The stealing could be easily spun and probably WILL be spun by the defense as evidence she was trying to find Caylee by any means necessary.

 

[SUR]

Alright, sorry I misunderstood you. I happen to believe LE is using lying as a tactic in this case, but probably not for the reasons you would think they are doing it.

But let's not fool ourselves that no LE entity in this country has ever lied for corrupt reasons.

NOT true about what he/she said. I said LE can and do lie, never said they ALWAYS lie and NEVER said Casey is innocent. I am being lied about but let him/her put words in mouth. It shows how "logical" he/she is.

 

[MiraclesHappen]

Not that anecdotal evidence means squat, but I had an aunt who was a cleptomaniac and she only stole when she was under stress. She stole things like stuffed animals, candy bars, etc. Things that gave her comfort. Many, many people shop to relieve stress.

The drammmmmma post mentioned she hadn't been living at the house herself in 9 days. I think it was the 24th.

What the heck is anecdotal evidence in criminal law???

 

[Muzikman]

Forget the evidence that LE has released publicly - that is just the icing on the cake, so to speak.

What has convinced most people that Casey is guilty of doing something wrong, or at least covering it up are HER OWN WORDS AND ACTIONS.

I.E. - not telling ANYBODY close to her that her daughter was missing, and coming up with a cockamamie story that nobody believes to explain it. Listening to her tell why? You can tell she's lying.

Not actively doing anything to find her daughter - instead out promoting parties (proof was online, many people here have seen it) partying it up (proof also was online) hanging out and chatting up her friends as if nothing happened.

I could go on and on, but you get the picture - if you have an open mind.

Look at EVERYTHING SHE DID OR SAID after her daughter went missing (plus the week before - the huge fight with family members) and it paints a very disturbing picture of a girl that did not care that her daughter was missing, plus did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to find her.

Throw in the physical evidence, and the picture is very clear to most people.

 

[MiraclesHappen]

Good point (as if I'm keeping score lol). The stealing could be easily spun and probably WILL be spun by the defense as evidence she was trying to find Caylee by any means necessary.

Caylee was not in a dressing room at Target.:furious:

 

[unsaid]

What the heck is anecdotal evidence in criminal law???

They don't have to use specific anecdotes in court but a psychologist would be able to attest to the type of behavior the poster was describing in their anecdotes. I appreciate people grounding their posts in reality through personal experiences.

 

[Seranade]

What the heck is anecdotal evidence in criminal law???

errr,ok.

Not that anecdotal evidence means squat,

:bang: