Questions I Have Not Found Answers To

[Mama2JML]

Not that I have ever seen publicly.

If Meyer was known to employ such practices (I.e. the use of non-sterile instruments), it would have been "dealt with", and I imagine we would know. ...especially considering all the attention this case receives.

As far as I am concerned, it would have been cause to have him removed. In some places, a coroner is an elected position, in others it is an appointed position. If Mayer was elected, there may have had to be a recall, but either way, his sloppiness was such a breach of his duty that it is unthinkable that he received no reprimand.

Is it possible ST was wrong? I have not come across a reliable source supporting his assertion.

I would have hoped that had this case gone to trial that his disregard for proper procedure would have been addressed on the witness stand. But then again, the person who would be questioning him would be the DA, AH. And his back-door deals and breach of protocol and outright lies cost this little girl her justice. The coroner and the DA were the two worst things to happen to this case.

Back door deals, can you elaborate, please?...

 

[DeeDee249]

If Meyer was known to employ such practices (I.e. the use of non-sterile instruments), it would have been "dealt with", and I imagine we would know. ...especially considering all the attention this case receives. Is it possible ST was wrong? I have not come across a reliable source supporting his assertion.
Back door deals, can you elaborate, please?...

Well for one, I'd say LYING to the public about whether the GJ issued an indictment was a big one. Wonder why that was done. Remember that AH was in some real estate partnerships as well as personal relationships with some of the defense team, so right off the bat he should never have been allowed to prosecute this case. He also made the defense privy to much of the evidence, which is also unheard of unless an indictment/arrest has been made. Before that, and until that, there should be no disclosure. And he refused to obtain warrants for the most basic things, like phone records. Under any other jurisdiction, this would have been done.

 

[questfortrue]

I often find myself wondering about BR. For 17 years we've learned little to nothing about him. Does anyone else think that's odd?

Does anyone ever speak or write about him? Is BR so well liked and respected that his friends support and protect him? Maybe he has no friendships and is an introvert and an isolationist? What about business associates?

How could he keep such a low profile?

All I really know for sure about BR is that he graduated from Purdue in 2010. He supposedly has a girlfriend and a job in the high-tech industry. On FB, he appears youthful.

Though can agree with EileenHawkeye, BR appears normal and friends wouldn’t be friends if they revealed much, I also join you in thinking it somewhat odd how little information about the adult BR is available. Moo Assuredly, BR knows there’s speculation about him and his parents in the context of the crime, especially after the True Bill. And, of course, it’d be anyone’s logical conclusion he’d like to keep his privacy as much as possible.

Here’s the rest of what one can easily read or currently know about him.
He is almost 27.
Likes aviation (pilots license,?idk), likes skateboarding.
His past/present? girlfriend lives in the Atlanta area, BR lives in Indianapolis, only a 570 mile distance.
He works in the technology sector.
He refused, through an attorney, to speak to detectives in 2010.
He has never publicly defended his mother or father.

The question I’ve never seen answered: From PR’s and JR’s public statements, why did they choose the age of 40 when BR might have a meltdown? (That was one of the central reasons they gave for hiring a psychiatrist for him.) Did the age of 40 have anything to do with PTSD? Just wondering out loud. And jmo.

 

[Meara]

BBM:floorlaugh:
Is JR delusional? Hmmm. He did have to review the RN on his hands and knees in his underwear. There was a story he told about having to take off his suit (down to his skivvies?) and break the basement window to get in the home since he didn’t have a key and PR was gone. Then there’s the Atlanta break-in on ACR. This was from JR’s interview with the police:

-snip-
“I tried to take one of the bags form him. He would not release it. I told him I was going to call the police. I turned around to go to the phone. He grabbed me from behind around the neck. He said "Are you going to let me go". We scuffled for four to five minutes. I was trying to get free and get out of the front door, because we were in front of the house. I did get the door opened, but was unable to break free to get out.

“At that point I realized that I needed to let him have his way so that he would leave. During the struggle, the socks that he was wearing on his hands, came off, but he was quick to put them back on.** He put my arm behind my back, grabbed my collar and pushed me into the first floor bath and told me he would not hurt me if I stayed in there.

“He tied the door closed with one of my coats which was lying near by. He questioned me about when my wife was coming back. Asked me where there was more money and jewelry in the house. I told him there was none. He asked me that a couple more times. During the struggle he had taken my wallet. . .”
-snip-

Not meaning to put out there any exceptionally picturesque images from JR’s life. I always think, hey, ya couldn’t make this stuff up. . .wait a minute. . . .? moo

** Was JR just standing there waiting for the burglar to put the socks back on his hands?

qft, :floorlaugh: right back to you!

It's been a long while since I read the account of the Atlanta break-in, and I'd forgotten just how crazy it was! At least that time he had on more than his skivvies....but he hadn't learned to use his security system. Oh well, one out of two.

I recall thinking at the time that the story was so bizarre that even people inlcined to believe the Rams about the murder might wish to re-evaluate.

Sorry for the late reply. Christmas, you know. :angel:

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Though can agree with EileenHawkeye, BR appears normal and friends wouldn’t be friends if they revealed much, I also join you in thinking it somewhat odd how little information about the adult BR is available. Moo Assuredly, BR knows there’s speculation about him and his parents in the context of the crime, especially after the True Bill. And, of course, it’d be anyone’s logical conclusion he’d like to keep his privacy as much as possible.

Here’s the rest of what one can easily read or currently know about him.
He is almost 27.
Likes aviation (pilots license,?idk), likes skateboarding.
His past/present? girlfriend lives in the Atlanta area, BR lives in Indianapolis, only a 570 mile distance.
He works in the technology sector.
He refused, through an attorney, to speak to detectives in 2010.
He has never publicly defended his mother or father.

The question I’ve never seen answered: From PR’s and JR’s public statements, why did they choose the age of 40 when BR might have a meltdown? (That was one of the central reasons they gave for hiring a psychiatrist for him.) Did the age of 40 have anything to do with PTSD? Just wondering out loud. And jmo.

Which girlfriend? He had a girlfriend whose name started with A, who lives in Atlanta. They dated around 2006. We are not sure, but we think he might be dating this new girl ("R") who does live in Indiana.

Maybe the fact that Patsy was turning 40 only a few days after JonBenet was killed has something to do with it?

 

[Meara]

Boy does this open up a :worms:for me! IMO, the most glaring problem with messing up the investigation of JBR's murder was the fact that both parents were not asked to go to the police station immediately, then separated and questioned. :facepalm: By homicide detectives imported from Denver, if necessary, since we know that several of the Boulder LE officers were tied up in a meeting that day with AH, and perhaps others were not available due to holiday leave.

By the time JR sat down in interviews, he had gathered a vicious team of legal watchdogs and had them at his elbow. So had Patsy. Any time there was an attempt to really dig into anything specific, as soon as the question was fielded, if one of the R's didn't respond with some indignant retort, one of the watchdogs ran interference and shut things down. Without an arrest, LE had to tread very carefully in posing anything that the attorneys could have used later to get the charges dropped or thrown out of court by claiming the cops were badgering or coercing their clients, or considering them "guilty" before being proven innocent.

If you want to see how clever JR is at making himself the picture of perfection in everything related to the time between the Ramseys leaving the White's house on Dec. 25 until they laid JB to rest....(and even after that), grit your teeth and read his book, "The Other Side of Suffering". If you get through it to the end when he relates his humble (gag, choke) experience as a missionary at the child prostitution teaching compound in India, AND you keep in mind that there was no evidence whatsoever of an Intruder killing JBR, I have to believe you will have read several clues straight from him about his true state of mind regarding his "beautiful girls". His quote.

The best gathering of interviews with the R's, IMO, is in "Jon Benet, the Police Files". Very affordable as a used book on Amazon, and a good way to see how many times the R's dodged questions by probably all the techniques you mentioned above (BBM) carefully assisted by their legal team.

If ever the Boulder Police department should try to get JR in for questioning again, it is now.....since we know about the GJ, he's written a book "leaking" tells about himself moo and the anniversary of JB's death is upon us once again.

From my heart, I offer this prayer today: Lord, in your grace this season of peace, I pray you guide someone to begin a path of true discovery for the justice deserved by your sweet, beautiful creation - JonBenet Ramsey. Amen.

Hi MM,

Thanks for your very full response + apologies for the holiday hiatus. Your first wo paragraphs are an excellent in-a-nutshell (no pun intended..!) statement of what went wrong at the outset and how it overshadowed all the rest of the case.

Thanks for the tip on the Police Files book. It will be easier than always searching on ACR, wonderful as it is. For The Other Side of Suffering - Can I hold off till Lent so it can count as penance? You've got my curiosity piqued, though, about the tells.

I found your prayer moving. You surely spoke for many hearts.

 

[questfortrue]

Which girlfriend? He had a girlfriend whose name started with A, who lives in Atlanta. They dated around 2006. We are not sure, but we think he might be dating this new girl ("R") who does live in Indiana.

Maybe the fact that Patsy was turning 40 only a few days after JonBenet was killed has something to do with it?

Thank you for the response. I don't know of a local girlfriend. Was thinking of the past one (initial A).

 

[Mama2JML]

Well for one, I'd say LYING to the public about whether the GJ issued an indictment was a big one.

AH didn't lie, and the media acknowledged so @ the time:

"The grand jurors have done their work extraordinarily well, bringing to bear all their legal powers, life experiences and shrewdness,'' Boulder District Attorney Alex Hunter announced at an impromptu news conference about 5 p.m. Wednesday. "Yet I must report to you that I and my prosecution task force believe we do not have sufficient evidence to warrant the filing of charges against anyone who has been investigated at the present time.'' Hunter did not say whether the grand jurors had voted on an indictment - only nine of the 12 jurors need to agree on an indictment - or whether they had written a report on their findings. Hunter did not take questions and said only that the grand jury had completed its work and would not meet again."
Source:http://extras.denverpost.com/news/ram1014a.htm

Wonder why that was done. Remember that AH was in some real estate partnerships as well as personal relationships with some of the defense team, so right off the bat he should never have been allowed to prosecute this case.

Did LE or the DA's office have "partnerships" &/or "personal relationships" with individuals or entities that could have benefitted the prosecution?

He also made the defense privy to much of the evidence, which is also unheard of unless an indictment/arrest has been made. Before that, and until that, there should be no disclosure.

This doesn't seem entirely accurate. Could you share a link to the legalities to which you're referring?

And he refused to obtain warrants for the most basic things, like phone records. Under any other jurisdiction, this would have been done.

...according to? Please elaborate, with your source(s), so I can better follow your interpretation.

 

[Chelly]

AH didn't lie, and the media acknowledged so @ the time:

"The grand jurors have done their work extraordinarily well, bringing to bear all their legal powers, life experiences and shrewdness,'' Boulder District Attorney Alex Hunter announced at an impromptu news conference about 5 p.m. Wednesday. "Yet I must report to you that I and my prosecution task force believe we do not have sufficient evidence to warrant the filing of charges against anyone who has been investigated at the present time.'' Hunter did not say whether the grand jurors had voted on an indictment - only nine of the 12 jurors need to agree on an indictment - or whether they had written a report on their findings. Hunter did not take questions and said only that the grand jury had completed its work and would not meet again."
Source:http://extras.denverpost.com/news/ram1014a.htm

Did LE or the DA's office have "partnerships" &/or "personal relationships" with individuals or entities that could have benefitted the prosecution?

This doesn't seem entirely accurate. Could you share a link to the legalities to which you're referring?

...according to? Please elaborate, with your source(s), so I can better follow your interpretation.

Are your questions really thinly disguised challenges to RDI theory?

This thread is for discussion. Posters here should not to have to defend their RDI theories to IDI's.

 

[Mama2JML]

Are your questions really thinly disguised challenges to RDI theory?

This thread is for discussion. Posters here should not to have to defend their RDI theories to IDI's.

I'm not asking anyone to defend their theories. I requested sources to better understand the assertions made. My research hasn't led me to the same conclusions, but I have only been studying this case for a couple of years. I am seeking clarity & common ground. It's difficult (if not impossible) to arrive at either without information beyond one's opinion. No one is obligated to answer my questions, obviously... :dunno:

 

[DeeDee249]

AH didn't lie, and the media acknowledged so @ the time:

"The grand jurors have done their work extraordinarily well, bringing to bear all their legal powers, life experiences and shrewdness,'' Boulder District Attorney Alex Hunter announced at an impromptu news conference about 5 p.m. Wednesday. "Yet I must report to you that I and my prosecution task force believe we do not have sufficient evidence to warrant the filing of charges against anyone who has been investigated at the present time.'' Hunter did not say whether the grand jurors had voted on an indictment - only nine of the 12 jurors need to agree on an indictment - or whether they had written a report on their findings. Hunter did not take questions and said only that the grand jury had completed its work and would not meet again."
Source:http://extras.denverpost.com/news/ram1014a.htm

Did LE or the DA's office have "partnerships" &/or "personal relationships" with individuals or entities that could have benefitted the prosecution?

This doesn't seem entirely accurate. Could you share a link to the legalities to which you're referring?

...according to? Please elaborate, with your source(s), so I can better follow your interpretation.

AH said there was NO indictment - there was. So that is a lie in my book.
His relationships, personal or business, with members of the defense team, were a conflict of interest as far as this case was concerned. Hunter never admitted publicly that the GJ did, in FACT, return indictments against BOTH parents. And I believe he has still declined to say anything about it, despite the recent disclosure that indictments were returned.
I will offer no link. All my sources are from several of the books on the case, as well as the archives on ACR. You can find them yourself. Anyone should be able to understand the concept of conflict of interest. It isn't unheard of for special prosecutors to be requested in these circumstances. I have the right, as does anyone here, to post MY OPINIONS on whatever I have read. But I will not baited by you or anyone else into leaving this forum. If you don't like what I have to say, scroll on by.
If you have a problem with my posts, put me on "ignore". I'll do the same.

 

[Junebug99]

Ugh, asking for sources to back up your accusations is not unheard of, it's actually quite common on debate boards. I always try to link my information, that way we know it's not a rumor or hearsay. Baited into leaving this forum, WTF???????

 

[Chelly]

Most of us do our own research. ACandyRose is a good place to start.

 

[dazeerae]

Most of us do our own research. ACandyRose is a good place to start.

Chelly, I checked out ACandyRose after lurking this forum, before joining WS. I love all the info, but find it difficult to navigate. Do any of you have tips on how to best navigate the ACR site?

 

[Mama2JML]

AH said there was NO indictment - there was. So that is a lie in my book.
His relationships, personal or business, with members of the defense team, were a conflict of interest as far as this case was concerned. Hunter never admitted publicly that the GJ did, in FACT, return indictments against BOTH parents. And I believe he has still declined to say anything about it, despite the recent disclosure that indictments were returned.
I will offer no link. All my sources are from several of the books on the case, as well as the archives on ACR. You can find them yourself. Anyone should be able to understand the concept of conflict of interest. It isn't unheard of for special prosecutors to be requested in these circumstances. I have the right, as does anyone here, to post MY OPINIONS on whatever I have read. But I will not baited by you or anyone else into leaving this forum. If you don't like what I have to say, scroll on by.
If you have a problem with my posts, put me on "ignore". I'll do the same.

BBM
When, where, & to whom did Hunter make the statement you've attributed to him?

From the Denver Post, 10.14.1999:

"The grand jurors have done their work extraordinarily well, bringing to bear all their legal powers, life experiences and shrewdness,'' Boulder District Attorney Alex Hunter announced at an impromptu news conference about 5 p.m. Wednesday. 'Yet I must report to you that I and my prosecution task force believe we do not have sufficient evidence to warrant the filing of charges against anyone who has been investigated at the present time.'

Hunter did not say whether the grand jurors had voted on an indictment - only nine of the 12 jurors need to agree on an indictment - or whether they had written a report on their findings. Hunter did not take questions and said only that the grand jury had completed its work and would not meet again."

 

[Roy23]

BBM
When, where, & to whom did Hunter make the statement you've attributed to him?

From the Denver Post, 10.14.1999:

"The grand jurors have done their work extraordinarily well, bringing to bear all their legal powers, life experiences and shrewdness,'' Boulder District Attorney Alex Hunter announced at an impromptu news conference about 5 p.m. Wednesday. 'Yet I must report to you that I and my prosecution task force believe we do not have sufficient evidence to warrant the filing of charges against anyone who has been investigated at the present time.'

Hunter did not say whether the grand jurors had voted on an indictment - only nine of the 12 jurors need to agree on an indictment - or whether they had written a report on their findings. Hunter did not take questions and said only that the grand jury had completed its work and would not meet again."

LOL!!! Thanks for clearing up yet more misinformation.

 

[Landonsmom02]

AH said there was NO indictment - there was. So that is a lie in my book.
His relationships, personal or business, with members of the defense team, were a conflict of interest as far as this case was concerned. Hunter never admitted publicly that the GJ did, in FACT, return indictments against BOTH parents. And I believe he has still declined to say anything about it, despite the recent disclosure that indictments were returned.
I will offer no link. All my sources are from several of the books on the case, as well as the archives on ACR. You can find them yourself. Anyone should be able to understand the concept of conflict of interest. It isn't unheard of for special prosecutors to be requested in these circumstances. I have the right, as does anyone here, to post MY OPINIONS on whatever I have read. But I will not baited by you or anyone else into leaving this forum. If you don't like what I have to say, scroll on by.
If you have a problem with my posts, put me on "ignore". I'll do the same.

This in MOO, was a slap in the GJ face. After all the months they spent on this and their time and they come up with charges then the DA decides not to sign the indictment then he is very particular with his wording at the press release. What a wimp he was and still is for not fighting for justice for JBR. It's true money talks and well you know the rest.

 

[Landonsmom02]

LOL!!! Thanks for clearing up yet more misinformation.

How is this misinformation?? He clearly never states that the GJ brought up charges. liar liar

 

[otg]

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If you’re looking for something specific, try a Google Advanced Search. Go here (http://www.google.com/advanced_search) and put “acandyrose.com” in the “site or domain” blank. Then use the search criteria blanks for whatever you want to search for. Pay attention to the exact words you search for and which blank you put them in so you get the results you’re looking for. For example, look at the difference between the results you get when entering the phrase “the worm has turned” in either the “all these words” or “this exact word or phrase” blanks:

https://www.google.ca/search?as_q=t...=any&safe=images&tbs=&as_filetype=&as_rights=

https://www.google.ca/search?as_q=&...=any&safe=images&tbs=&as_filetype=&as_rights=

ETA: When you find something.. bookmark, bookmark, bookmark.

 

[Mama2JML]

Nice.

No worries, dazeerae.

ACR documents a massive amount of case & peripheral information. When I'm googling a topic, I will often include "acandyrose" with my search term(s). For example, a google search for "acandyrose burglaries jonbenet" resulted in 7 different ACR links from the first page of results, alone...