Raven is innocent!

[Timex]

I still go back to how do we know, for sure, she was stabbed three times? To my knowledge, nobody here has posted that from personal knowledge...just that they heard it from somebody. LE hasn't released that info. Unless I missed something?? AND if she was stabbed three times, you are correct, it would have to be someone that knows knives and where to inflict the deadly damage.

Playing devil's advocate here....

What if the intent wasnt so much to kill...but to get away? Meaning, the killer got lucky with the blows.

 

[anneshirley]

anneshirley, everyone is doing this, but the information that Janet was stabbed three times is UNCONFIRMED
We have nothing to support that statement other than rumors at this point.

i'm sorry. I must have misread the post...and taken too much cold medicine...:doh:

 

[golfmom]

Playing devil's advocate here....

What if the intent wasnt so much to kill...but to get away? Meaning, the killer got lucky with the blows.

THe info could be correct with the three stab wounds, but all LE has released is multiple stab wounds. So we again we just don't know other than it wasn't random.

 

[golfmom]

i'm sorry. I must have misread the post...and taken too much cold medicine...:doh:

That just shows how easy it is to misunderstand posts here ... you aren't the only one who assumed it was true. AND it may be true, we just don't know. If it was 15-20 stab wounds would you view the crime differently? Or if it was just one? It does make a difference, and since we don't really know, that is an area that is very hard to speculate. Kind of like the barking dogs ... did they or didn't they? Or the missing laptop ... is it or isn't it?

:bang:

 

[ewwwinteresting]

THe info could be correct with the three stab wounds, but all LE has released is multiple stab wounds. So we again we just don't know other than it wasn't random.

Multiple stab wounds doesn't sound right for a suicide!

Timex possible theory that it wasn't an intended murder is interesting? Maybe a heated debate that got out of control? self defense?

I guess I'm still trying to figure out was a "non-random crime" is? I thought it meant Janet was the target. Can we possibly get LE to define this definition for us?

 

[Timex]

Multiple stab wounds doesn't sound right for a suicide!

Timex possible theory that it wasn't an intended murder is interesting? Maybe a heated debate that got out of control? self defense?

I guess I'm still trying to figure out was a "non-random crime" is? I thought it meant Janet was the target. Can we possibly get LE to define this definition for us?

To me "not random" means whoever did this knew who the victim was...not necessarily by name etc...but by location. i.e. John Couey did not know Jessica...yet it was NOT a random act. He knew she lived in that house, although he did not "know" her.

 

[SouthEastSleuth]

I guess I'm still trying to figure out was a "non-random crime" is? I thought it meant Janet was the target. Can we possibly get LE to define this definition for us?

That might be helpful. I guess naive ol' me always just thought that a non-random crime meant just that, it wasn't random. Meaning, it was not some random person that did it... or just some random type crime, as in an intruder, etc.

 

[ewwwinteresting]

To me "not random" means whoever did this knew who the victim was...not necessarily by name etc...but by location. i.e. John Couey did not know Jessica...yet it was NOT a random act. He knew she lived in that house, although he did not "know" her.

So, John meant to kill Jessica although he didn't "know" Jessica personally? Jessica was the target? Is this right?

 

[Timex]

So, John meant to kill Jessica although he didn't "know" Jessica personally? Jessica was the target? Is this right?

Exactly. It was NOT a random crime, as he chose her...he knew exactly where she was etc...even though he did not know her.

Same would hold true of any "stalker" type crime. It isnt random, as the stalker has chosen his victim carefully for whatever reason.

 

[ewwwinteresting]

Exactly. It was NOT a random crime, as he chose her...he knew exactly where she was etc...even though he did not know her.

Same would hold true of any "stalker" type crime. It isnt random, as the stalker has chosen his victim carefully for whatever reason.

Thank you, this is helping me understand. Can I assume, with reasonableness, that because LE has stated this is not a random crime, someone intended to hurt or kill Janet that night, whether they knew her personally or not, whether it was an accident or not?

 

[golfmom]

After police interviewed Raven Abaroa earlier on Thursday, they asked a judge for permission to search the vehicle for evidence a second time, the warrant said.

"Information disclosed during that interview has suggested that further scientific testing is needed to determine the relationship of the vehicle to the homicide," the warrant said.

So what could Raven have revealed to make LE think it wasn't random and that the vehicle needed to be searched a 2nd time to determine the relationship to the murder?

 

[ewwwinteresting]

After police interviewed Raven Abaroa earlier on Thursday, they asked a judge for permission to search the vehicle for evidence a second time, the warrant said.

"Information disclosed during that interview has suggested that further scientific testing is needed to determine the relationship of the vehicle to the homicide," the warrant said.

So what could Raven have revealed to make LE think it wasn't random and that the vehicle needed to be searched a 2nd time to determine the relationship to the murder?

This was my question numerous days ago!!!:slap:

What stuck out in my mind was that they wrote "to determine the relationship of the vehicle to the homicide.".......not "if" the vehicle was related to the homicide....but maybe I'm reading into this too much.

 

[Timex]

Thank you, this is helping me understand. Can I assume, with reasonableness, that because LE has stated this is not a random crime, someone intended to hurt or kill Janet that night, whether they knew her personally or not, whether it was an accident or not?

Did they intend to hurt or kill her? I dunno. Could have been a robbery gone bad or whatever. I dont have enough information from any reliable source to know just what the situation was.

 

[Timex]

After police interviewed Raven Abaroa earlier on Thursday, they asked a judge for permission to search the vehicle for evidence a second time, the warrant said.

"Information disclosed during that interview has suggested that further scientific testing is needed to determine the relationship of the vehicle to the homicide," the warrant said.

So what could Raven have revealed to make LE think it wasn't random and that the vehicle needed to be searched a 2nd time to determine the relationship to the murder?

Is that the warrant where they took all the soil samples etc?

 

[ewwwinteresting]

Did they intend to hurt or kill her? I dunno. Could have been a robbery gone bad or whatever. I dont have enough information from any reliable source to know just what the situation was.

I feel like I'm going in circles.......if there was no intent to hurt or kill Janet, how can her murder not be random?

 

[Timex]

I feel like I'm going in circles.......if there was no intent to hurt or kill Janet, how can her murder not be random?

The target could have been the home, and Janet just happened to be there. Personally, I dont think that's the case, but technically, it would still not be a random crime if so.

 

[Jenifred]

What stuck out in my mind was that they wrote "to determine the relationship of the vehicle to the homicide.".......not "if" the vehicle was related to the homicide....but maybe I'm reading into this too much.

The relationship could still be as simple as Raven drove it home from where ever he was to the scene of the crime. Or it could be as complex as lets look to see if there are any indications that the perp got into this car after killing Janet.

 

[ewwwinteresting]

The target could have been the home, and Janet just happened to be there. Personally, I dont think that's the case, but technically, it would still not be a random crime if so.

Gotcha!

 

[golfmom]

Is that the warrant where they took all the soil samples etc?

No. They did not release what they actually took in the 2nd search warrant. Just that they requested one and were good to go back.

 

[ewwwinteresting]

The relationship could still be as simple as Raven drove it home from where ever he was to the scene of the crime. Or it could be as complex as lets look to see if there are any indications that the perp got into this car after killing Janet.

If that's the case, is that the way they would word it?