Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #3

[time]

I guess it was never said what alerted Adam... we're assuming he woke up and walked out of the guest house, I guess?

At first, I assumed it just happened and she was barely alive or just died from the hanging, but I guess we have no confirmation on when she died?

It's possible Adam found her much sooner and called Jonah? Hope they've checked out all those phone records. When was Jonah last in touch with Rebecca or Adam?

I really am not sure that is a scarf on her neck, but it is probable. If so, I think there are a limited number of possibilities as to why it's there (I can't tell if it is just beside her or around her neck though).

1. it was used as a gag
2. it was used to initially strangle her whether that resulted in death or not or was just to control/threaten her
3. she had it on already and someone just didn't bother removing it

It still seems to me she must have been previous hogtied, just a thought. An no one said she was found hanging by her neck did they, not LE, not Adam?

Ok, one more thought ... maybe Rebecca wasn't allowed to go to the hospital (but Dina's sister was there, right?). What if Rebecca found out late Tues night that Jonah wasn't even at the hospital? That wouldn't look very good if you are grieving and telling everyone you are holding vigil, if you wouldn't let the woman in your life come to the hospital when she really could have - doesn't mean she had to be in ICU.

 

[jstwondering]

"Danielle Steel, the best-selling writer who owns the other Spreckels mansion, the one built by Adolph Spreckels in San Francisco, would be hard-pressed to conjure up a meatier hook for a mystery novel."

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/jul/24/aftermath-coronado-mansion-deaths-some-it-noir/

Thanks for finding this. I had forgotten about this.

I apologize in advance if this has been mentioned already as I am behind but wanted to comment on the link above. Author of link (not you, Curious, because your find was fascinating to me) was poorly informed or unitentionally insensitve to not mention that Danielle Steele's son OD'd on heroine after being severely depressed. I would think deaths of sons in Spreckles mansions would be hard on that author. JMO

http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=1514

 

[time]

Some valid points, Time!

I guess, then, that this could be a PR conundrum for JS if others perceive this as you do.

Yeah, but then again, maybe I'm tainted! :wink:

 

[Julessleuther]

I read through all the posts and did not see this mentioned....

Perhaps the sister, who was at the house (and then whisked away) did something on purpose to the boy, and he was killed. Perhaps Rebecca did not want to remain quiet about the incident, and was killed to silence her. That is the only reason I can think of to have the sister removed from the situation so quickly and sent away.

The airport is about 20-25 minutes from the Spreckels mansion, depending on bridge traffic.

We were in Coronado for the week when this was all going on, and honestly, other than outside of the Spreckel's Mansion, you would not know there was a crime. We did not stay at the Dell, so did not watch the comings and goings all the time, but the village seemed the same as usual.

 

[pferrin]

I believe others came up with this scenario very early..but here goes. I believe Maxie and GS were playing at the top of the staircase..I think Maxie was owling..perhaps shown how by big sis. She was teasing with him..perhaps tickling him and he fell. He hit the chandalier on the way tothe floor.

Perhaps when GS told JS she said RN did something and JS wanted to make someone repondisible for beloved son's injury. Or maybe GS told DS that RN was respondsible. So IMO this could all be about a 13 year old lying. Often parents would rather believe their child than any adult.

I am still a bit Hinky about AS coming in town to help his brother. If they were not that close then this makes no sense. How was he helpful..she is a tugboat operator..he cant run medicis..what was his purpose there...how did he help.

 

[scorekeeper]

So would that balcony area be the opened area at the top of the stairs and just off the master bedroom?

I don't think she was found in the master bedroom; the balcony was over one of the bedrooms over the kitchen/dining.....if you overlay the second floor on top of the main floor. there were pictures of the remodel showing the balcony. the new window picture is for the dining room, i think

http://www.dndb.info/featured18-1-2.htm



sorry if someone already posted this

 

[Dum-Dum Sucker]

I wonder if Rebecca was murdered to shut her up, so she wouldn't tell what she knew about Maxie's death.

And perhaps Rebecca's murder was done in such a horrendous fashion in order to shut up anybody to whom she may have divulged the real story of Maxie's death.

jmo

ETA: sorry, Julessleuther - I had just jumped on the thread - hadn't seen your post

 

[peace9274]

I don't think she was found in the master bedroom; the balcony was over one of the bedrooms over the kitchen/dining.....if you overlay the second floor on top of the main floor. there were pictures of the remodel showing the balcony. the new window picture is for the dining room, i think

http://www.dndb.info/featured18-1-2.htm



sorry if someone already posted this

I agree.

(They sure did a beautiful remodeling job on the kitchen, especially by putting the big window in.)

 

[Wendy101]

I wonder if Rebecca was murdered to shut her up, so she wouldn't tell what she knew about Maxie's death.

And perhaps Rebecca's murder was done in such a horrendous fashion in order to shut up anybody to whom she may have divulged the real story of Maxie's death.

jmo

IMO the only person JS would protect is his daughter GS. If GS intentionally harmed lil Max and Rebecca new it - I think JS would protect his daughter and want Rebecca to shut up about the cause of Maxies death... for what it's worth, I don't think this is what happened.....

 

[Paladine]

I really think she was very conscious when this happened to her - this was revenge - an eye for an eye - in my opinion.

I have 2 scenarios. 1 is the one you mentioned above. Very reasonable, imo.

The 2nd revolves around the 911 caller and the quick absence from the scene. I wonder if Rebecca saw something related to Maxies death and needed to be quieted? Hence, the quick return to SC and a criminal defense attorney who cannot talk to their client. I'm not saying the 911 caller did anything to Rebecca...I'm thinking someone who loves the 911 caller, and blamed Rebecca for the 'accident' in the first place, righttfully or not, took retribution for the death, and also made sure Rebecca would never tell what really happened to Maxie.

 

[i.b.nora]

I don't think she was found in the master bedroom; the balcony was over one of the bedrooms over the kitchen/dining.....if you overlay the second floor on top of the main floor. there were pictures of the remodel showing the balcony. the new window picture is for the dining room, i think

http://www.dndb.info/featured18-1-2.htm



sorry if someone already posted this

Thank you for finding and posting the link for that remodel which was done in 1982, almost 30 years ago.

From the description:
* The added space gave the room a much different feel.
o It created room for a breakfast area overlooking the back courtyard
o The window brought in much needed natural light that turned a dungeon into a bright and cheerful space.
o The new window was designed to look so similar to an existing adjoining window that it looks much more like an original part of the home than the original windows that it replaced.

It does help to understand the layout of that part of the house.

 

[time]

I believe others came up with this scenario very early..but here goes. I believe Maxie and GS were playing at the top of the staircase..I think Maxie was owling..perhaps shown how by big sis. She was teasing with him..perhaps tickling him and he fell. He hit the chandalier on the way tothe floor.

Perhaps when GS told JS she said RN did something and JS wanted to make someone repondisible for beloved son's injury. Or maybe GS told DS that RN was respondsible. So IMO this could all be about a 13 year old lying. Often parents would rather believe their child than any adult.

I am still a bit Hinky about AS coming in town to help his brother. If they were not that close then this makes no sense. How was he helpful..she is a tugboat operator..he cant run medicis..what was his purpose there...how did he help.

There's definitely something amiss with the girl and the time frame. It could be that nothing happened involved her or Rebecca, just that they somehow thought they could get her out quick and no one would know it was JS's daughter? I'm just going through all possible explanations. What bothers me the most is if someone is interfering with her being questioned? Or else, she just went to stay over at Dina house, was questioned and someone is changing the story. It's like someone is trying very hard to erase her presence, but maybe it was a faux pas in trying to manipulate media coverage and your image as you are accustomed to. Except no one is buying it this time.

No matter what, there's something hinky about what has been reported. We have two accounts of what happened

1. GS's teenage friend (we don't know if he is relaying first hand knowledge that she left before help arrived or GS told him that?)

2. The Dog Guy, Ted Greenburg, who says

“She asked us to come get the dog, because she wanted to get to the hospital to see her child,” Greenberg said. “I understand it’s (her boyfriend’s) son, but I guess she thought of him as hers.”

“She called about 4:40 pm,” he said. “She told me about the accident and said that her daughter was also injured.”

http://deathby1000papercuts.com/201...h-authorities-seal-records-push-suicide-meme/


I tend to believe Rebecca was trying to get to the hospital and boarded the dog for that reason. I also believe she never went to the hospital or we probably would know that. I'm suspecting she was told she wasn't going to get to see Max at all before they buried him and that possibly this was Dina's doing? Possibly it was so the media would only see the former couple together at the hospital.

They probably knew right away there was no hope for Max, but that they could delay taking the machines off almost indefinitely so they were not really sitting vigil as has been stated in the media?

 

[Paladine]

I believe others came up with this scenario very early..but here goes. I believe Maxie and GS were playing at the top of the staircase..I think Maxie was owling..perhaps shown how by big sis. She was teasing with him..perhaps tickling him and he fell. He hit the chandalier on the way tothe floor.

Perhaps when GS told JS she said RN did something and JS wanted to make someone repondisible for beloved son's injury. Or maybe GS told DS that RN was respondsible. So IMO this could all be about a 13 year old lying. Often parents would rather believe their child than any adult.

I am still a bit Hinky about AS coming in town to help his brother. If they were not that close then this makes no sense. How was he helpful..she is a tugboat operator..he cant run medicis..what was his purpose there...how did he help.

Out on a limb I go ....we also do not know if this sibling relationship was amicable. Step-sibs can be great relationships...or filled with jealousy. Especially, where money and a parents approval are concerned.

 

[Carpe Pacem]

Two thoughts, with all due respect:

If the PR firm reads here, we'll soon see a statement of sorrow/bereavement.

If a 13-year-old of mine called to tell me about a horrendous accident in her father's household, I'd want her to return home immediately to remove her from the accompanying trauma.

A call to Coronado Livery would get her over the bridge and to the airport very quickly.
A flight could be obtained there.

 

[Wendy101]

Well now you guys have me seriously thinking about the possibility of GS involvement - - couple posts up regarding to possibility of GS lying and saying it was Rebeccas fault....very interesting thought IMO

 

[scorekeeper]

A police source told Radar Online: 'Investigators want to confirm details of what Jonah, Adam, and Dina [Jonah's second wife, and Max's mother], have revealed to them. 'Jonah maintains that he was at the hospital when Rebecca's body was found. This is a very fluid investigation.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...death-lover-Rebecca-Nalepa.html#ixzz1T8jKkAyM

BBM

Seems they are reviewing hospital tapes to verify all three of them - their comings and goings......

 

[time]

A police source told Radar Online: 'Investigators want to confirm details of what Jonah, Adam, and Dina [Jonah's second wife, and Max's mother], have revealed to them. 'Jonah maintains that he was at the hospital when Rebecca's body was found. This is a very fluid investigation.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...death-lover-Rebecca-Nalepa.html#ixzz1T8jKkAyM

BBM

Seems they are reviewing hospital tapes to verify all three of them - their comings and goings......

scorekeeper ... what was said about John being in San Diego? Remember that?

 

[Paladine]

I read through all the posts and did not see this mentioned....

Perhaps the sister, who was at the house (and then whisked away) did something on purpose to the boy, and he was killed. Perhaps Rebecca did not want to remain quiet about the incident, and was killed to silence her. That is the only reason I can think of to have the sister removed from the situation so quickly and sent away. The airport is about 20-25 minutes from the Spreckels mansion, depending on bridge traffic.We were in Coronado for the week when this was all going on, and honestly, other than outside of the Spreckel's Mansion, you would not know there was a crime. We did not stay at the Dell, so did not watch the comings and goings all the time, but the village seemed the same as usual.

RBBM

I've been wondering about this from the beginning...and it is still where my gut leads me.

 

[Wendy101]

A police source told Radar Online: 'Investigators want to confirm details of what Jonah, Adam, and Dina [Jonah's second wife, and Max's mother], have revealed to them. 'Jonah maintains that he was at the hospital when Rebecca's body was found. This is a very fluid investigation.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...death-lover-Rebecca-Nalepa.html#ixzz1T8jKkAyM

BBM

Seems they are reviewing hospital tapes to verify all three of them - their comings and goings......

Who cares where Jonah was when Rebeccas body was found?? Don't they want to know where he was when the body was hung?

 

[defense101]

BBM

I thought the same thing and then remembered that "owling" and "planking", among young people,
had been mentioned several times in the threads here, with questions about whether either one played
a part in MS' fall.

Since I wasn't aware of either, I googled both. Apparently, a person has him/herself photo'd in a "plank"
or "owl" position in an unusual place & then places it on their Facebook page.

One of the photos at the site where I googled, showed a girl "perched" on a stair or balcony railing in an
owl/birl-like position. She was smiling, but to me it looked scary & dangerous. Other photos showed planking
being done on actual stairs.. and other areas that looked more dangerous.

When mentioned in one of the comments, the person had wondered if possibly the 13 yr old & MS were
involved in staging themselves on the balcony railing above the foyer, in either position when the fall took place.

Or it could have been simply as a 6 year old sliding down the banister and going over, as well with it being the sister who phoned 911 I would say she was with him at the time of the accident. IMO