Rebecca's Death

[*Lash*]

Thanks. So Nina was interviewed and processed but not polygraphed. And Dina and Jonah were not investigated at all.

Nina cancelled her scheduled polygraph and the Special Agents from the DOJ did not follow up.

DAVID GOTFREDSON/CBS8:
Nina Romano did an interview with us. She admitted she was at the house that night. Went by briefly, she said. And she said she was scheduled to take a lie detector exam that Friday but she had to cancel because she was worried about Max. That she was going to take a test but no one ever called her back. A witness put her at the scene the night of the death but she was never given a lie detector test.

GORE:
Again, when we look at the totality of the investigation investigators didn't believe there was a necessity to give Nina a Lie Detector test.

DAVID GOTFREDSON/CBS8:
There was one scheduled for earlier, right? That she cancelled?

GORE:
I couldn’t tell you.

http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/index.html

 

[freespeech]

We know that RZ was still alive during that 12 hrs that Dina was away from the hospital because she talked to her sister on the phone.

And yes, I think it was probably pretty obvious that Max was bordering on death. She may not have accepted it mentally, but it must have been pretty evident. He was in a forced coma and hooked up to all kinds of equipment.

And I really do not know if she took drugs or drank during that time. I am just saying that whatever she did, I am not going to judge her behavior because her child was dying before her eyes.

And imo, <modsnip> who she was with or what she was doing while she was trying to cope with his imminent death. We know she was not in the process of killing RZ because RZ was still alive at the end of that time period, so <modsnip> what she was doing while Max was dying. JMO

The last time Rebecca actually talked on the phone was 9:25 p.m. according to her cell phone records. The cell phone was found in the "hanging room". Dina could have used the phone to text Mary from 9:44 to 9:53 p.m.

I would guess that Dina may have been taking drugs or drinking during that time especially if she had a history of untreated/unresolved substance abuse. Jonah had mentioned in earlier media reports that Dina took prescription drugs and drank which may have contributed to her violent outbursts.

Also, Dina could have only gone back to the hospital at 8 p.m. so as to leave her cell phone there to set up an alibi. She was not seen on surviellance tape. She could have left after leaving her phone and gone to the mansion afterwards. A witness placed Dina not Nina at the house the night of the murder.

Nina could have then sat in the hospital for Dina and sent the 9:41 p.m. text from there. Nina could have only placed herself at the house that night to alibi her sister. If Nina sat with her back to the door with a black wig on who would know the difference? Both sisters have the same broad shoulders so if Nina could have pretended to sleeping with her hair/wig partially covering her face.

Other scenarios are possible. I still don't believe that Rebecca killed herself. Why wasn't Nina and Dina polygraphed?

 

[jjenny]

Thanks. So Nina was interviewed and processed but not polygraphed. And Dina and Jonah were not investigated at all.

As I recall, Nina was too emotional for the polygraph because of Max's condition. Adam was the only one polygraphed, as far as I know. And he didn't pass the polygraph, it was inconclusive. Doesn't sound like they ever tried to give Johan a polygraph-I guess they just believed everything Jonah told them, including the voicemail that supposedly was the trigger for suicide.

 

[*Lash*]

I've always wondered why Nina took Jonah's car home that Tuesday night instead of taking her sister Dina's car.

 

[freespeech]

Nina cancelled her scheduled polygraph and the Special Agents from the DOJ did not follow up.

DAVID GOTFREDSON/CBS8:
Nina Romano did an interview with us. She admitted she was at the house that night. Went by briefly, she said. And she said she was scheduled to take a lie detector exam that Friday but she had to cancel because she was worried about Max. That she was going to take a test but no one ever called her back. A witness put her at the scene the night of the death but she was never given a lie detector test.

GORE:
Again, when we look at the totality of the investigation investigators didn't believe there was a necessity to give Nina a Lie Detector test.

DAVID GOTFREDSON/CBS8:
There was one scheduled for earlier, right? That she cancelled?

GORE:
I couldn’t tell you.

http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/index.html

I don't recall a witness putting Nina at the scene. I thought that a neighbor put Dina at the scene.

 

[freespeech]

We know that RZ was still alive during that 12 hrs that Dina was away from the hospital because she talked to her sister on the phone.

And yes, I think it was probably pretty obvious that Max was bordering on death. She may not have accepted it mentally, but it must have been pretty evident. He was in a forced coma and hooked up to all kinds of equipment.

And I really do not know if she took drugs or drank during that time. I am just saying that whatever she did, I am not going to judge her behavior because her child was dying before her eyes.

And imo, <modsnip> who she was with or what she was doing while she was trying to cope with his imminent death. We know she was not in the process of killing RZ because RZ was still alive at the end of that time period, so <modsnip> what she was doing while Max was dying. JMO

The last time Rebecca actually talkedon the phone was 9:25PM according to her cell phone records. The cell phone was found in the "hanging room". Anyone could have text from her phone.

I would guess that Dina may have been taking drugs or drinking during that time especially if she had a history of untreated/unresolved substance abuse. Jonah had mentioned in earlier media reports that Dina took prescription drugs and drank which may have contributed to her violent outbursts.

Also, Dina could have only gone back to the hospital at 8 p.m. so as to leave her cell phone there to set up an alibi. She was not seen on surviellance tape so she could have left again after leaving her phone and gone to the mansion afterwards for all we know.

Nina could have text Rebecca at 9:41 p.m. as she claimed but from the hospital and not outside the mansion as she claimed in an attempt to further strengthen Dina's alibi.

Dina could have done the text messages from Rebecca to Mary from 9:44 to 9:53 p.m.

Also, for all we know Nina could have sat in the hospital for Dina and text Rebecca from there. A witness placed Dina not Nina at the house the night of the murder. Nina could have placed herself at the house that night to alibi her sister.

 

[*Lash*]

I don't recall a witness putting Nina at the scene. I thought that a neighbor put Dina at the scene.

Nina admitted to going to the mansion because she wanted answers. A witness saw a woman at the house that night and says he is positive it was Dina. No one has claimed to have witnessed Nina at the house. Nina just admitted she was there. SDSO investigated the witness report and concluded the woman was Nina Romano. AB says the witness gave a description to the police that doesn't match how Nina appeared at that time.


Snip- A passerby did notice a woman at the house that night and reported it to police following Zahau's death July 13. But that witness's description of the woman does not match that of Nina Romano, according to Zahau family attorney Anne Bremner.

In a series of emails and interviews with News 8, Bremner said the witness now believes the woman he saw was Nina's sister, Dina Shacknai.

"The witness sent me a picture of Dina and said it was Dina," according to Bremner, who said the witness was riding a bicycle by the home at approximately 10:20 p.m. on July 12.

"He was going by and saw somebody with a large, black bag trying to get in the front door and looking around and going to the back of the house," Bremner said. "She was 40 to 50 years, 5'5", 170 to 190 lbs., long dark hair; wearing a black and white striped short sleeve shirt," said Bremner.

"He is positive it (was) Dina and she was acting very suspiciously," Bremner wrote. "He has seen subsequent news reports that said Nina was out front and he said that's not the person he saw."


http://www.cbs8.com/story/15982091/exclusive-max-shacknais-aunt-talks-about-coronado-mansion-deaths

 

[freespeech]

I can understand Rebecca not wanting to open up to either Romano sister at that time of night especially being alone in the house. The dog was boarded and iIrc the caretakers were sent away the day of Max's accident. Also, she seemed to be afraid of Dina because she was worried that Dina was going to kill her.

I wonder how Adam got into the kitchen of the main house the next morning? He stated that he got a knife from one of the drawers in the main house to cut Rebecca down with.

Did he have a key? Did Dina have a key? Were the doors already unlocked when LE arrived? If so who unlocked them?

I don't believe Rebecca would leave them unlocked. After all didn't they have a video surveillance system? Why was that turned off? Especially with the dog gone and her alone in the house. These factors seem highly unusual imo.

I wonder what Adam, Dina, Nina and Jonah's cell phone records look like for that night. Who called/text who and when? Those records could tell what may have happened to Rebecca. I wonder if AB has their cell phone records.

It is difficult to believe that AB would pursue this without compelling evidence, no?

 

[inthedark14]

I've also wondered why if RZ didn't answer NR when she went to talk to her, why NR did not try to get in touch with AS. It would seem that she would know he was there. But she didn't try to get in touch with the only other person known to be staying in the house. Instead she didn't touch the gate and only noticed the light on in one room. I wonder if she could have seen the guest house from that vantage point?

 

[Charterhouse]

Sorry i found it.

 

[screecher]

The last time Rebecca actually talkedon the phone was 9:25PM according to her cell phone records. The cell phone was found in the "hanging room". Anyone could have text from her phone.

I would guess that Dina may have been taking drugs or drinking during that time especially if she had a history of untreated/unresolved substance abuse. Jonah had mentioned in earlier media reports that Dina took prescription drugs and drank which may have contributed to her violent outbursts.

Also, Dina could have only gone back to the hospital at 8 p.m. so as to leave her cell phone there to set up an alibi. She was not seen on surviellance tape so she could have left again after leaving her phone and gone to the mansion afterwards for all we know.

Nina could have text Rebecca at 9:41 p.m. as she claimed but from the hospital and not outside the mansion as she claimed in an attempt to further strengthen Dina's alibi.

Dina could have done the text messages from Rebecca to Mary from 9:44 to 9:53 p.m.

Also, for all we know Nina could have sat in the hospital for Dina and text Rebecca from there. A witness placed Dina not Nina at the house the night of the murder. Nina could have placed herself at the house that night to alibi her sister.

A very compelling theory. It all fits.

What I don't understand is the discrepancy regarding the time of texts. Nina said 9:41, Rebecca's phone said 10:41.

Also, I'm very curious why Gore said nothing concerning Nina going to the mansion that night. Why?

And who was Paul Pfingst representing? He said it wasn't Jonah. It makes no sense it would be Rebecca. Sooo, who does that leave? Adam Shacknai, and sisters Romano.

 

[screecher]

I can understand Rebecca not wanting to open up to either Romano sister at that time of night especially being alone in the house. The dog was boarded and iIrc the caretakers were sent away the day of Max's accident. Also, she seemed to be afraid of Dina because she was worried that Dina was going to kill her.

I wonder how Adam got into the kitchen of the main house the next morning? He stated that he got a knife from one of the drawers in the main house to cut Rebecca down with.

Did he have a key? Did Dina have a key? Were the doors already unlocked when LE arrived? If so who unlocked them?

I don't believe Rebecca would leave them unlocked. After all didn't they have a video surveillance system? Why was that turned off? Especially with the dog gone and her alone in the house. These factors seem highly unusual imo.

I wonder what Adam, Dina, Nina and Jonah's cell phone records look like for that night. Who called/text who and when? Those records could tell what may have happened to Rebecca. I wonder if AB has their cell phone records.

It is difficult to believe that AB would pursue this without compelling evidence, no?

BBM

AND if those cell phone records showed minimal activity, imo, it may point to the use of those 'throw-away' phones.

So yeah, I am thinking/hoping brothers Shacknai and sisters Romano phone records were looked at. I can't imagine why they wouldn't be.

 

[freespeech]

I've always wondered why Nina took Jonah's car home that Tuesday night instead of taking her sister Dina's car.

Could Dina not Nina have taken Jonah's car to alibi herself? Why would he give either one of them his car keys when Dina already had a car but supposedly wouldn't be needing it that night?

Did Dina leave her sister Nina, her car and cell phone at the hospital that night while she herself went to the mansion to question Rebecca? A witness saw Dina not Nina at the house that night.

Why did Jonah call Dina at 7:00 a.m. to tell her that Rebecca killed herself if they were both at the hospital at the same time? Jonah supposedly stayed at the RM and was caught on surveillance tape according to Gore. However, Dina was not on surveillance tape.

 

[screecher]

Could Dina not Nina have taken Jonah's car to alibi herself? Why would he give either one of them his car keys when Dina already had a car but supposedly wouldn't be needing it that night?

Did Dina leave her sister Nina, her car and cell phone at the hospital that night while she herself went to the mansion to question Rebecca? A witness saw Dina not Nina at the house that night.

Why did Jonah call Dina at 7:00 a.m. to tell her that Rebecca killed herself if they were both at the hospital at the same time? Jonah supposedly stayed at the RM and was caught on surveillance tape according to Gore. However, Dina was not on surveillance tape.

BINGO!!!!:woohoo:

 

[freespeech]

A very compelling theory. It all fits.

What I don't understand is the discrepancy regarding the time of texts. Nina said 9:41, Rebecca's phone said 10:41.

Also, I'm very curious why Gore said nothing concerning Nina going to the mansion that night. Why?

That doesn't make sense and has not been adequately explained. Rebecca's
phone may have been programmed with AZ time zone one hour ahead of CA time zone so her phone showed 10:41 p.m. while Nina's phone showed 9:41 p.m. CA time zone. To absolutely verify one must compare Mary Zahau's phone records to match times Rebecca received her calls and texts.

10:41 p.m. PDT (Nina)=9:41 p.m. MDT (Rebecca)=7:41p.m. CDT (Mary)

See the time zone map link shown below.

http://www.worldtimezone.com/time-usa12.php

 

[screecher]

Ah. I see. Thank you.

 

[K_Z]

The last time Rebecca actually talkedon the phone was 9:25PM according to her cell phone records. The cell phone was found in the "hanging room". Anyone could have text from her phone.

I would guess that Dina may have been taking drugs or drinking during that time especially if she had a history of untreated/unresolved substance abuse. Jonah had mentioned in earlier media reports that Dina took prescription drugs and drank which may have contributed to her violent outbursts.

Also, Dina could have only gone back to the hospital at 8 p.m. so as to leave her cell phone there to set up an alibi. She was not seen on surviellance tape so she could have left again after leaving her phone and gone to the mansion afterwards for all we know.

Nina could have text Rebecca at 9:41 p.m. as she claimed but from the hospital and not outside the mansion as she claimed in an attempt to further strengthen Dina's alibi.

Dina could have done the text messages from Rebecca to Mary from 9:44 to 9:53 p.m.

Also, for all we know Nina could have sat in the hospital for Dina and text Rebecca from there. A witness placed Dina not Nina at the house the night of the murder. Nina could have placed herself at the house that night to alibi her sister.

BBM. Dina was certainly going through one of the most stressful and emotionally challenging times anyone could go through, that day. Her beautiful, vivacious little boy lay dying, and according to reports, Dina "believed" the doctors (well, one doc we know of by name) were somehow questioning or insinuating that Max's injuries were not accidental. We don't know what Dr. Peterson, or any of the docs actually said to Dina or Jonah, or how she or Jonah could have interpreted that information, but clearly that was the turning point where Dina no longer believed Max suffered an accident. I cannot imagine how much rage and grief someone could have in that situation-- wanting so badly to find answers as to what happened. No one would blame her if she felt she needed some beverage alcohol or prescription pharmaceuticals to help her cope in that crisis. People in crisis can act out in a variety of ways, sometimes violently and impulsively. People in crisis situations, angry, full of revenge, and under the influence of substances have been known to do some pretty horrific things, as a casual perusal of many murder cases will reveal.

Another example is behavior during an acrimonious divorce-- many people have been known to act violently and impulsively during stressful times like that, as well.

 

[freespeech]

A very compelling theory. It all fits.

What I don't understand is the discrepancy regarding the time of texts. Nina said 9:41, Rebecca's phone said 10:41.

Also, I'm very curious why Gore said nothing concerning Nina going to the mansion that night. Why?

That doesn't make sense and has not been adequately explained. Rebecca's phone may have been programmed with AZ time zone one hour behind CA time so her phone showed 10:41 p.m. while Nina's phone showed 9:41 p.m. but should have shown 11:41 p.m. if programmed for the PDT time zone. To absolutely verify one must compare Mary Zahau's phone records to match times Rebecca received her calls and texts and forensically exam Nina's phone to determine whether it was tampered.

8:41 p.m. CST (Mary) = 10:41 p.m. MDT (Rebecca) = 11:41 p.m. PDT (Nina)

Also if Rebecca made her last call to Mary at 9:25 p.m. MDT that would mean that Mary received it at 7:30 p.m. CDT. If Rebecca's phone was programmed for PDT then Mary's phone record should show she received at 6:30 p.m. CDT.

This is very confusing. Do phones automatically adjust when you travel to a different time zone? I never noticed because I usually wear a watch.

See the time zone map link shown below.

http://www.worldtimezone.com/time-usa12.php

 

[time]

Nina interview - discussing visit to the mansion

NINA: ....Actually it was 9:41 and I have my phone records. 9:41 - I text. I waited until 9:55 - no answer. ...

http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/nina_romano.mp3

Just realized I'm finding it odd that Nina gave some time like 9:55? Hmmm.

Rebecca's phone would be on Mountain Time, but Arizona does not observe Daylight Savings Time and didn't in 2011. Also, when I check the time right now it is exactly the time it is in California.

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/clockchange.html?n=197&year=2011

Rebecca's full records were released (Attached). Nina released a partial copy of her texts (Attached). Rebecca's cell records show a call at 9:25 pm with Mary and a text at 10:41 from Nina. It does not show Nina trying to contact Rebecca any other time except on Monday the 11th when she picked her up at the airport.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15485069/records-reveal-final-cell-phone-calls-to-rebecca-zahau (scroll down and entries for Rebecca's cell are shown)

&#8226; Last phone conversation with Mary was at 9:25 p.m
&#8226; Multiple text messages Marry and Rebecca 9:44 - 9:53 p.m
&#8226; Witness says he saw Dina at the Mansion ~ 10:20 pm
&#8226; Nina texts Rebecca at 10:41
&#8226; Nina claims she went over to the house at 10:55 or after

Nina (or Nina's phone) did not try to contact Rebecca at all in ~ 25 hours to discuss anything about Max's accident (per phone records including texts and calls).

Nina (or someone using Nina's phone) texts Rebecca on Tuesday at 10:41 and gets no answer, but Nina doesn't even try to call her or just wait till the morning? If Rebecca wanted to talk with her, she would have responded to the text so it seems out of bounds to head over to her house late at night. Not only does Nina go to the front door, but then takes the liberty of going around to the back - to finally conclude she does not want to talk to her? I am not buying this was the time to just ask Rebecca to 'explain things' or show her in the foyer what had happened in the fall unless we can call it an inappropriate late night inquisition.

And, there are evidently screams reported by neighbors (was that about 11?).

A passerby did notice a woman at the house that night and reported it to police following Zahau's death July 13. But that witness's description of the woman does not match that of Nina Romano, according to Zahau family attorney Anne Bremner.


In a series of emails and interviews with News 8, Bremner said the witness now believes the woman he saw was Nina's sister, Dina Shacknai.


"The witness sent me a picture of Dina and said it was Dina," according to Bremner, who said the witness was riding a bicycle by the home at approximately 10:20 p.m. on July 12.


"He was going by and saw somebody with a large, black bag trying to get in the front door and looking around and going to the back of the house," Bremner said. "She was 40 to 50 years, 5'5", 170 to 190 lbs., long dark hair; wearing a black and white striped short sleeve shirt," said Bremner. "He is positive it (was) Dina and she was acting very suspiciously," Bremner wrote. "He has seen subsequent news reports that said Nina was out front and he said that's not the person he saw."

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15982091/exclusive-max-shacknais-aunt-talks-about-coronado-mansion-deaths

To add to the strange picture of Nina, in her interview, Nina complains that they took her new pants and so on. Does this really matter? It's odd to go on and on about that and act like pulling hairs out of your head is so awful. Why is that so important to complain when you were supposedly the last known person trying to contact a victim, upfront and personal - of course, LE should want to test your clothing, your DNA, and so forth.

Why didn't they take all this stuff from Dina when it was only her cell phone that had an alibi.

(sorry, for some reason it will not allow me to attach Rebecca's cell phone bill, but you can download it at the bottom of this page http://www.cbs8.com/story/15538406/family-releases-200-pages-of-zahau-phone-records )

 

[Charterhouse]

California and Arizona are on the same time at that time of the year.