Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 12/19-1/5 Break

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Tiger09 said:
I meant that in the future she will be a part of debates, doubts, and theories of her being mentally ill because if one does the things she did....they can't be playing with a full deck, right? Obviously that wasn't the first defense they went with, so highly bothers her. It's also a recurring theme in the communication between her and her boyfriends. "So and so called me crazy. Why?" Because you did x, y, and z.
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Mental illness is a phrase we all use when speaking of people who do things that we ourselves cannot fathom doing. Depression is called a mental illness when in reality it is not--it is actually a symptom of illness or disorder. Bipolar disorder is a chemical imbalance of the brain and as such is a physical illness but many people refer to it as a mental illness.

I know that you know the difference and I fully understood where you were coming from in your post, Tiger. I only felt it necessary to point out that the killer acted out of pure evil--not out of illness--because her minions read here and it is important that they do not think that people in the know are seeing the killer as mentally ill in a way that might indicate she should be saved. We here at WS see the killer's true colors because we see her type so often. Hopefully this jury is wise and well informed and will see same.
 
mydirtysecret said:
I think the lamp in his picture is actually behind him she's taking pics from the side, not at the foot of the bed.
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Yes, the pic is shot from the side, and you can see the wooden screen beyond his hand/head, the lamp should be between him and the screen, but it's not visible, although it seems like it should be.
 
My family has left the building (Love ‘em … but? I’m beat!)

Anyway, been reading some older articles re: JA’s mental rot. IMO, she’s simply a psychopath. And a narcissistic bee-otch. {BTW: Free to Web Sleuthers! I can psychoanalyze you, too. Private email me for access to my PayPal account. SCHHHnark!)

That said, here is insight from lawyer Wendy Murphy. Aside from (mis-?) reporting JA’s claim she will teach “sign language” (Wasn’t it Spanish?), this is an interesting read about the DT strategy, written shortly after the conclusion of the first trial.

http://www.wendymurphylaw.com/*adve...might-not-get-similarly-naive-jury-next-time/

“Some said the defense became chaotic toward the end because Jodi was trying to control everything and that she was at odds with her attorneys. Lots of pundits speculated that Arias’ lawyers begged off the case because she refused to take their advice and acted against their wishes by asking for the death penalty in an interview with a local news outlet immediately after the guilty verdict.

If they were at loggerheads, pundits said, her lawyers would have to resign because they could not zealously represent a client who didn’t listen to their advice.

If trial strategies were always what they appear to be, that analysis would make sense. But the far more likely explanation for all the last minute shenanigans is that the defense was very much in control of what was going on, and they were using Jodi as an actor in their shameful play.”

“… Arias’ lawyers hedged their bets, knowing that even if Jodi’s entire family and all her childhood friends took the stand and begged for her life, the jury would still vote for death simply because no amount of mitigation evidence would make a dent in the mountain of reasons that justify imposition of the ultimate punishment.

By refusing to put Arias’ friends and family on the stand, defense attorneys knew they might lose the battle but would likely win the war if the jury voted for death. The Ninth Circuit’s predisposition to reverse death penalty verdicts when mitigation witnesses are not called was a near guarantee that Arias would never be put to death. This remains a viable strategic option given that a new jury will be impaneled …”

“… Refusing to call mitigation witnesses may eventually save Jodi Arias’ life, but the author of the article below (Me: read the referenced website in the article) notes that it isn’t ethical. The recent evolution of this ugly strategy has inspired legal scholars to urge that such lawyers be reported to the bar and sanctioned for the unethical practice of law, though since defense attorneys control most licensing boards, don’t hold your breath.”

Here is the website referenced within the article cited above:
http://digitalcommons.wcl.american.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1037&context=aulr&seiredir=1&referer=http%3A//www.google.com/search?q=arizona+v+defense+counsel+intentionally+created+error+at+trial&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari&sei-redir=1&referer=http%3A//www.google.com/search?q=arizona+v+defense+counsel+intentionally+created+error+at+trial&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari#search="arizona v defense counsel intentionally created error trial"
 
http://digitalcommons.wcl.american.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1037&context=aulr&seiredir=1&referer=http%3A//www.google.com/search?q=arizona+v+defense+counsel+intentionally+created+error+at+trial&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari&sei-redir=1&referer=http%3A//www.google.com/search?q=arizona+v+defense+counsel+intentionally+created+error+at+trial&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari#search="arizona v defense counsel intentionally created error trial"

More from the above citation:

"Are defense attorneys deliberately providing ineffective representation at the penalty phase of capital trials? Two judges on the United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit recently suggested that they should—if they want to keep their clients off death row. In a concurring opinion in Poindexter v. Mitchell, a habeas corpus appeal decided in 2006, Sixth Circuit Chief Judge Danny Boggs identified a scenario in which intentional errors by counsel
may benefit death-eligible defendants.

Boggs opined that a defense attorney trying a capital case is likely to secure the reversal of any death sentence that the jury might return if he or she deliberately conducts an inadequate investigation into his or her client’s troubled childhood, psychological problems, or other mitigating evidence that might otherwise have been presented at sentencing. The probability of eventual reversal on ineffective assistance grounds, Boggs wrote, will more than make up for any greater chance that a jury that does not hear the missing material will arrive at a death sentence in the first place. While Judge Boggs stopped short of accusing defense attorneys of employing these tactics, his colleague Judge Richard Suhrheinrich was not so restrained.

In his own concurring opinion in Poindexter, Suhrheinrich intimated that defense attorneys in capital cases actually were sowing ineffective assistance claims of the sort described by his colleague."
 
geevee said:
Yes, the pic is shot from the side, and you can see the wooden screen beyond his hand/head, the lamp should be between him and the screen, but it's not visible, although it seems like it should be.
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The window should be on the other side of the screen too, but it's not...
 
~ Amy ~ said:
I see the shade on the lamp.
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Where? I see sunlight hitting the front of the exercise machine that sits in front of the window behind the wood screen, but no lamp shade between Travis and the wood screen like it should be.
 
Question: Chris Hughes has stated that he is going to release a book after sentencing. I believe that he and Sky have answers to many of our questions...including they had his journals which have yet to be released....or that they cannot talk about NOW....

Is there a thread or website which allows us to ask questions now for them to address questions we may pose here for in the future for the book? Or just a general thread they could do such later. I am thinking that they perhaps cannot say anything now at all to solicit, but can we set one up here at WS?

Never started a thread, but thinking this would be a good one. Whether they answer here, in book, or elsewhere...would like to see such.
 
So many baffling things in this case:

The timing of the phone sex call and Travis' voice in it
The naked photos taken on June 4, 2008 in which not a smile is to be seen
The shower poses that took contrived
Arias being confident enough in her ability to overpower Travis with a knife--she used the knife first rather than a gun. One would think that a woman would use a gun first to disable the victim and then stab him to death. Big risk.
No neighbour heard Travis screaming for his life as Arias stabbed him repeatedly. Another big risk she took in using a knife.
Arias waiting till the very last minute to murder Travis and clean up the bloody mess. And doing it all in a very short period of time

For the sake of simplicity and sanity I will accept that Juan's theory is correct. I guess Arias just got very, very lucky that day.
 
rose222 said:
So many baffling things in this case:

The timing of the phone sex call and Travis' voice on it
The naked photos taken on June 4, 2008 in which not a smile is to be seen
The shower poses that took contrived
Arias being confident enough in her ability to overpower Travis with a knife--she used the knife first rather than a gun. One would think that a woman would use a gun first to disable the victim and then stab him to death. Big risk.
No neighbour heard Travis screaming for his life as Arias stabbed him repeatedly. Another big risk she took in using a knife.
Arias waiting till the very last minute to murder Travis and clean up the bloody mess. And doing it all in a very short period of time

For the sake of simplicity and sanity I will accept that Juan's theory is correct. I guess Arias just got very, very lucky that day.
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For the longest I firmly believed that the gun shot was first, to be honest I still have strong doubts that it wasn't. Being shot in the head would explain how the killer got the upper hand so quickly, and it also would explain why there was no screaming, he would have been too incapacitated, IMO. How did the casing end up on top of blood though? Then again, the floor at that moment would have been clean of blood, and it could easily have been kicked / moved on top of blood during all of the activity that ensued afterward, thus giving the appearance that the shot came later.
ETA: I know this is a controversial and unpopular opinion so after I post this link I'll just :runaway:

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/01/22/what-really-killed-travis-alexander
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READ FOR YOURSELF:Dr Horn's report from Alexander's autopsy
HLN contacted our own expert pathologist, Dr. Carol Terry, the chief medical examiner for Gwinnett County, Georgia. Terry attended Emory University's medical school and has 18 years of experience with forensic pathology. She analyzed Alexander's autopsy at HLN's request.

Terry agrees with Horn that the slashing of Alexander's throat is what killed him. But she says he was likely shot first, before any of the stab wounds were inflicted
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neesaki said:
For the longest I firmly believed that the gun shot was first, to be honest I still have strong doubts that it wasn't. Being shot in the head would explain how the killer got the upper hand so quickly, and it also would explain why there was no screaming, he would have been too incapacitated, IMO. How did the casing end up on top of blood though? Then again, the floor at that moment would have been clean of blood, and it could easily have been kicked / moved on top of blood during all of the activity that ensued afterward, thus giving the appearance that the shot came later.
ETA: I know this is a controversial and unpopular opinion so after I post this link I'll just :runaway:

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/01/22/what-really-killed-travis-alexander
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Thanks for the link, neesaki. I am still open to the theory that the shot came first. The one thing I do not believe is that Arias used the knife only because the gun got jammed- as a last resort. I doubt she had enough time to go get a knife. I think she was armed with both a gun and a knife and was especially keen on using the knife--the torture-loving woman that she is. Apart from this point, I think it's possible that she used the gun first. It would explain so much. I keep wondering how Travis was able to get from the shower to the sink; Arias had barely a cut on her hand so how did she let him get there? She may have possibly left the bathroom for a few seconds. :hills:
 
gcharlie said:
There is a minute entry discussing her journals and a handwriting analysis of them to determine whether or not she had written them. IIRC, the last journal started around January 2008, so it is conceivable that she could have written almost seven months worth of entries.

I don't believe that she re-wrote her journals; instead I think her journals reflect her psychopathy, including her fictionalized view of the world and her place in it. Her narcissism come shining through in her writing, whether it be her journals back then or writing now in blogs or letters to her supporters. She is one extremely twisted sister.
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Read her letter to JSS asking for KN to be removed as her council, it's fascinating. A look into the mind of a narcissistic psycho. :eek:

wenwe4 said:
That sex phonecall recording was much longer than 3 min. (She may have recorded this onto a mini digital recorder and then uploaded it to the phone somehow.) She said in a journal entry that she had a recording on her lost/stolen phone that was later found in the aunt's car 2 years later, which she hadn't figured out how to replay for Travis. Wasn't the helio phone the one loaned to her from Gus Searcy? In that same journal entry she said her new phone arrived - was that a new one or the one from Gus?

Wonder if there was ever a digital voice recorder ever found - or did that also belong to Gus? Who knows . . . maybe it belonged to his secret passenger whom he refused to identify.

Is the clerk's office closed for 2 weeks over the holidays? What is stopping local news reporters from demanding copies of the transcripts of the secret witness testimony? Do we have to wait until JSS publically announces she has released them? (or could they be released but no one asked for them?)
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That post made me think about something. It's totally unrelated except that it has to do with Gus.

As long as the PPL customer keeps paying the monthly subscriber fee people see money; http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Pre-P...ou-would-have-to-be-an-idiot-to-do-thi-817136

...I saw right through this pyramid scam but one of my friends signed up. The service is $54.95/month and has very little value. All they do is write letters and I doubt you would ever get one of these lawyers to actually go to court. They don't even help you if you get a D.U.I

You have to sign up to spend the $54.95/month and pay another $200 to be able to get people to sign up. You then get paid every time you get someone to start selling this crap. The thing they don't tell you is that they will take the money back out of your account after someone you sell to realizes the service is BS and cancels. THis could lead to some serious overdraft charges....

PPL or LS or whatever it's called is a pyramid scheme. So, IIRC, the way that works is that Gus would sell to me. Only Gus would see any money from that and has one subscriber. I would sell one PPL subscription or whatever they call it and I'd get some money from that and Gus would get money from that. Now the guy I sold it to goes out and gets another subscriber. So now he gets money, I get money and Gus gets money. If the newest guy goes out and sells one then he gets money, the guy I sold to gets money, I get money and Gus gets money.


So:

Lowest guy gets some money (If he makes a sale), second lowest guy gets some money, I get money and Gus gets money.

Gus is getting money from three sales (Me ---> My Guy ---> My Guy's guy.), me two, (My Guy and my guy's guy) my guy gets money from one (His sale), and the lowest guy none, until he sells it to someone too. Well Travis was doing very well in PPL. He had a lot of people selling for him and buying from him. He was raking in some good cash.

So, now that Travis is gone who gets his share now? I

Were Travis's subscriptions willable or do Travis' accounts revert to the company?

daisydomino said:
They are requesting it. I know that both Beth Karas and William Pitt have mentioned that they continue to ask for the transcript and are not being given it. The first thing the media attorneys did once the CoA opinion was issued was file a motion to get the court to unseal that transcript right away. Why is it not available? I have no idea!!!

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I think I heard that Nurmi is appealing again and that it has to remain sealed until all of the appeals have run out. I think that's what's happening.

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A chocolate teapot is just fine, as long as you don't use it to make tea. Just eat the dang thing like a chocolate rabbit. :facepalm:

O/T But hollow chocolate bunnies are the worst candy scam I can think of. When I was a kid I'd only been used to getting solid chocolate rabbits. The first time I bit into a hollow bunny it was almost soul crushing. It's like selling something as pure gold and instead making it gold plated.
 
Don't run away neesaki, I think the gunshot was first too. **
In one of her "stories," she said one of the ninja's put a gun to her head and fired it and it jammed. I honestly believe that's what happened with Travis, the gun jammed. I mean, why would she steal "Paw Paw"'s gun and not use it to kill him with? It' not nearly as bloody and messy as her handy dandy tire slashing knife that she always carried with her. To me, it makes no difference which came first, he SUFFERED and tried to fight back as his hands had defensive wounds on them. Plus we all know he made it to the sink, and that he tried to crawl down the hall to get away.

** Then again, I sometimes have my doubts about the gun being first. These are my two reasons.

1. The bullet casing ON the blood.
2. Jodi says it was
 
Why is everything centered??? Is it that way for everyone, or just me?
 
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