Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 12/19-1/5 Break

[Niner]

Way of topic, but...

A chocolate teapot is just fine, as long as you don't use it to make tea. Just eat the dang thing like a chocolate rabbit. :facepalm:

O/T But hollow chocolate bunnies are the worst candy scam I can think of. When I was a kid I'd only been used to getting solid chocolate rabbits. The first time I bit into a hollow bunny it was almost soul crushing. It's like selling something as pure gold and instead making it gold plated.

Hey Steely Dan! :wave: You can still find solid bunnies! I know what you mean about biting into one and finding out it is NOT solid! Usually listed on the box if it's solid or not! Just an FYI!!

 

[janx]

From page 2:

"Another pervasive defense tactic is to delay a case endlessly. Witnesses may die. Their memories can fade. Evidence may be lost. And even if a defendant is eventually convicted and sent to prison, he will have received credit for time served in the local jail while awaiting trial. In the meantime, he has had the benefit of being closer to friends and relatives."

http://articles.latimes.com/1989-04-30/news/mn-3140_1_prosecution-defense-lawyers-night-stalker

This L.A. Times article outlines some defense tactics. You will recognize some of them after following this trial.

 

[Steely Dan]

Way of topic, but...



Hey Steely Dan! :wave: You can still find solid bunnies! I know what you mean about biting into one and finding out it is NOT solid! Usually listed on the box if it's solid or not! Just an FYI!!

Thanks, but I know that now. I had gotten solid chocolate for years before my first hollow one. So I bit into it and the :censored: thing broke apart in my hands and I found I was chewing more air than chocolate and it was demoralizing.

 

[Frigga]

Thanks, but I know that now. I had gotten solid chocolate for years before my first hollow one. So I bit into it and the :censored: thing broke apart in my hands and I found I was chewing more air than chocolate and it was demoralizing.

Not only that, Steely, but the chocolate is never very good in those kinds! The good chocolate companies make solid rabbits, in my personal experience as a former child turned mother! LOL

 

[geevee]

Geevee, you don't believe these pics were taken Jun4, is that correct?

If so, what are your reasons.

I am just curious, not trying to be snarky at all.

Were the bedroom pics on the same memory card as the bathroom pics, and were they deleted ones too?

Yes Elle, you're correct that I have grave doubts about the nudes having been taken that afternoon (and yes also that as far as we're told they were all on the same memory card), for one thing the nudes were recovered from the unallocated space and the only part recoverable was the thumbnail file, EnCase supplied the time and date according to the memory card, not EXIF data in the picture information. I think they were on that memory card from earlier (whenever they had the poprocks and tootsie pop party) and were deleted and overwritten at least once, if not more.

Just from the perspective of the camera it seems she was taking all of them, hers with a timer and his by her hiding by the side of the bed. I wish we had testimony of what purse she had with her on the 4th because in 1:47:15 once the bacground is lightened you can see her purse in the background, that may (or may not) aid in knowing for sure when they were taken. The pics with her are very dark yet her hair doesn't look all dark brown, the pics of Travis are much lighter and were supposedly taken during the same hour. And now knowing that there was Spybot activity on his laptop at the same time the pics were being taken pretty much seals the deal for me.

I even have questions about the shower pics all being taken at the same time, look where the red arrow is on each pic, in 5:24:30 there's something on the shelf, in 5:24:56 you can see the shelf behind him (with nothing on it) but not as clearly as 5:25:00 where whatever it is is mysteriously gone:



I have wonderings if she/they used this card before and she brought it with her on the killing day, I can't take anything she says at face value but the way she popped out to Flores with 'those pics were all on my camera' does give me great pause about the authenticity of the timestamps on the nudes.

P.S. I never take your questions/comments as snark, I like your forthrightness (if that's a proper word lol).

 

[LinasK]

Thanks for the link, neesaki. I am still open to the theory that the shot came first. The one thing I do not believe is that Arias used the knife only because the gun got jammed- as a last resort. I doubt she had enough time to go get a knife. I think she was armed with both a gun and a knife and was especially keen on using the knife--the torture-loving woman that she is. Apart from this point, I think it's possible that she used the gun first. It would explain so much. I keep wondering how Travis was able to get from the shower to the sink; Arias had barely a cut on her hand so how did she let him get there? She may have possibly left the bathroom for a few seconds. :hills:

Or, alternatively... she stun gunned him first. There is no way that she shot him first because of the bullet casing lying on top of the blood. Jodi always adds bits of truth to her lies, and she pointed out the stun gun, and I believe the jaggy, long white lines on 3 of the photos are the arcing of the stun gun, not reflections. Reflections would not be jaggy and that bright white.

 

[LambChop]

I believe there were two other reasons for LE's verification that they were taken that day beside the dates. One was her hair color and the was Travis had just purchased the camera for the Cancun trip. The only other pictures on the memory card were taken by Travis right after purchasing the camera. jmo

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

Read her letter to JSS asking for KN to be removed as her council, it's fascinating. A look into the mind of a narcissistic psycho.



That post made me think about something. It's totally unrelated except that it has to do with Gus.

As long as the PPL customer keeps paying the monthly subscriber fee people see money; http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Pre-P...ou-would-have-to-be-an-idiot-to-do-thi-817136

...I saw right through this pyramid scam but one of my friends signed up. The service is $54.95/month and has very little value. All they do is write letters and I doubt you would ever get one of these lawyers to actually go to court. They don't even help you if you get a D.U.I

You have to sign up to spend the $54.95/month and pay another $200 to be able to get people to sign up. You then get paid every time you get someone to start selling this crap. The thing they don't tell you is that they will take the money back out of your account after someone you sell to realizes the service is BS and cancels. THis could lead to some serious overdraft charges....

PPL or LS or whatever it's called is a pyramid scheme. So, IIRC, the way that works is that Gus would sell to me. Only Gus would see any money from that and has one subscriber. I would sell one PPL subscription or whatever they call it and I'd get some money from that and Gus would get money from that. Now the guy I sold it to goes out and gets another subscriber. So now he gets money, I get money and Gus gets money. If the newest guy goes out and sells one then he gets money, the guy I sold to gets money, I get money and Gus gets money.


So:

Lowest guy gets some money (If he makes a sale), second lowest guy gets some money, I get money and Gus gets money.

Gus is getting money from three sales (Me ---> My Guy ---> My Guy's guy.), me two, (My Guy and my guy's guy) my guy gets money from one (His sale), and the lowest guy none, until he sells it to someone too. Well Travis was doing very well in PPL. He had a lot of people selling for him and buying from him. He was raking in some good cash.

So, now that Travis is gone who gets his share now? I

Were Travis's subscriptions willable or do Travis' accounts revert to the company?



I think I heard that Nurmi is appealing again and that it has to remain sealed until all of the appeals have run out. I think that's what's happening.


A chocolate teapot is just fine, as long as you don't use it to make tea. Just eat the dang thing like a chocolate rabbit. :facepalm:

O/T But hollow chocolate bunnies are the worst candy scam I can think of. When I was a kid I'd only been used to getting solid chocolate rabbits. The first time I bit into a hollow bunny it was almost soul crushing. It's like selling something as pure gold and instead making it gold plated.

On her bank statement with the three gas cans debits, there is also a debit to a wrecker service in Yreka for her blowing out a tire (Bill said they were bald) trying to her to Travis's funeral, then a debit for Priceline for a plane ticket for 246.99, a 28.00 debit at Sacramento airport to get to Travis's memorial and then you have 19.99 debit for PPL web service. I wonder what that debit is for? A monthly fee you had to pay to be in PPL? She said she wasn't doing very well at it.


And you're wrong Steely. it's not a pyramid scheme. Gus was having a hard time with Juan calling PPL a pyramid scheme, so Juan said let's call it a triangle, the look on Gus's face was priceless.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

Yes Elle, you're correct that I have grave doubts about the nudes having been taken that afternoon (and yes also that as far as we're told they were all on the same memory card), for one thing the nudes were recovered from the unallocated space and the only part recoverable was the thumbnail file, EnCase supplied the time and date according to the memory card, not EXIF data in the picture information. I think they were on that memory card from earlier (whenever they had the poprocks and tootsie pop party) and were deleted and overwritten at least once, if not more.

Just from the perspective of the camera it seems she was taking all of them, hers with a timer and his by her hiding by the side of the bed. I wish we had testimony of what purse she had with her on the 4th because in 1:47:15 once the bacground is lightened you can see her purse in the background, that may (or may not) aid in knowing for sure when they were taken. The pics with her are very dark yet her hair doesn't look all dark brown, the pics of Travis are much lighter and were supposedly taken during the same hour. And now knowing that there was Spybot activity on his laptop at the same time the pics were being taken pretty much seals the deal for me.

I even have questions about the shower pics all being taken at the same time, look where the red arrow is on each pic, in 5:24:30 there's something on the shelf, in 5:24:56 you can see the shelf behind him (with nothing on it) but not as clearly as 5:25:00 where whatever it is is mysteriously gone:

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I have wonderings if she/they used this card before and she brought it with her on the killing day, I can't take anything she says at face value but the way she popped out to Flores with 'those pics were all on my camera' does give me great pause about the authenticity of the timestamps on the nudes.

P.S. I never take your questions/comments as snark, I like your forthrightness (if that's a proper word lol).

In the ninja story she had a purse and a backpack . On few minutes later time they were going through her purse and than a One was the woman going through and calling her that ***** from California (how Det. Flores didn't bust out laughing at the self serving poor little me statement. and it so immature ). B

JA: Then they got my registration out of my purse which was in the purse that I was using at the time, and it has my parent’s address on it.


JA: Well, Travis said I had some stuff there. I didn’t see what it was. He said it was in his closet. He said there were clothes of mine, but all I had was my purse and my backpack. I left those and I went outside.

 

[LinasK]

In the ninja story she had a purse and a backpack . On few minutes later time they were going through her purse and than a One was the woman going through and calling her that ***** from California (how Det. Flores didn't bust out laughing at the self serving poor little me statement. and it so immature ). B

JA: Then they got my registration out of my purse which was in the purse that I was using at the time, and it has my parent’s address on it.


JA: Well, Travis said I had some stuff there. I didn’t see what it was. He said it was in his closet. He said there were clothes of mine, but all I had was my purse and my backpack. I left those and I went outside.

Her DL was a P.O. Box in Big Sur, CA. Were they living in a P.O. Box???

 

[krkrjx]

I read on FB Tanisha is not doing well with this retrial. That makes two of Travis’ family who are not doing well. I’m wondering if nurmi’s focus is not the jury, but maybe he’s going after Travis’ family, thinking they will give up on DP ????

Maybe, but I do not think it's their call. Just like I think the DA could decide to drop the DP without the family's input. I know the victim's family is considered but I think that is on a somewhat limited basis. I think that "deal" that the killer proposed pre-trial may have been run by the family, and they of course said no way and the DA agreed--but that's because the deal as proposed was ridiculous as it would have been a slap in the face of justice. I do not believe dropping the DP at any time would deprive the victim, his family, and the citizens of Arizona the justice they deserve--providing the killer serves natural life in prison.

 

[Tiger09]

Which explains the discredit the prosecution attempt part of the strategy. I get torn between Nurmi being smarter than we give him credit for or being dumber than a box of rocks. I think some days he is ticking off all the boxes on Jodi's chances for appeal. Which could be why she wanted to get rid of him. He gets a paycheck, visibility, and if he gets her off death row- it's not all for naught because he's a successful defense attorney. He's already publicly tied to Poprocks and Toblerone, so why not get something out of it? He knows- probably that she's crazy as a fox (apologies to all foxes) and wants "revenge!" so why not get her locked up forever? She's in Perryville and he's got his money and new infamy. And hey he can tell himself that the Alexander family still gets justice, right? (Sarcasm)

 

[Steely Dan]

Not only that, Steely, but the chocolate is never very good in those kinds! The good chocolate companies make solid rabbits, in my personal experience as a former child turned mother! LOL

Yes!! I forgot to mention that.

Yes Elle, you're correct that I have grave doubts about the nudes having been taken that afternoon (and yes also that as far as we're told they were all on the same memory card), for one thing the nudes were recovered from the unallocated space and the only part recoverable was the thumbnail file, EnCase supplied the time and date according to the memory card, not EXIF data in the picture information. I think they were on that memory card from earlier (whenever they had the poprocks and tootsie pop party) and were deleted and overwritten at least once, if not more.

Just from the perspective of the camera it seems she was taking all of them, hers with a timer and his by her hiding by the side of the bed. I wish we had testimony of what purse she had with her on the 4th because in 1:47:15 once the bacground is lightened you can see her purse in the background, that may (or may not) aid in knowing for sure when they were taken. The pics with her are very dark yet her hair doesn't look all dark brown, the pics of Travis are much lighter and were supposedly taken during the same hour. And now knowing that there was Spybot activity on his laptop at the same time the pics were being taken pretty much seals the deal for me.

I even have questions about the shower pics all being taken at the same time, look where the red arrow is on each pic, in 5:24:30 there's something on the shelf, in 5:24:56 you can see the shelf behind him (with nothing on it) but not as clearly as 5:25:00 where whatever it is is mysteriously gone:

View attachment 66355

I have wonderings if she/they used this card before and she brought it with her on the killing day, I can't take anything she says at face value but the way she popped out to Flores with 'those pics were all on my camera' does give me great pause about the authenticity of the timestamps on the nudes.

P.S. I never take your questions/comments as snark, I like your forthrightness (if that's a proper word lol).

Interesting observation.

On her bank statement with the three gas cans debits, there is also a debit to a wrecker service in Yreka for her blowing out a tire (Bill said they were bald) trying to her to Travis's funeral, then a debit for Priceline for a plane ticket for 246.99, a 28.00 debit at Sacramento airport to get to Travis's memorial and then you have 19.99 debit for PPL web service. I wonder what that debit is for? A monthly fee you had to pay to be in PPL? She said she wasn't doing very well at it.


And you're wrong Steely. it's not a pyramid scheme. Gus was having a hard time with Juan calling PPL a pyramid scheme, so Juan said let's call it a triangle, the look on Gus's face was priceless.

BBM

And then didn't Gus correct him by saying it was more of a circle? :laughcry:

 

[Val1]

Geevee, you don't believe these pics were taken Jun4, is that correct?

If so, what are your reasons.

I am just curious, not trying to be snarky at all.

Were the bedroom pics on the same memory card as the bathroom pics, and were they deleted ones too?

My questioning the date of the pics is twofold, first they don't make any sense given the context(TA's 3 hole wonder words and JA's scissor letter, plus whatever had caused it all to come to that, both apparently have a history of parting amicably with their ex's) and then the evidence as stated from:
http://cdn-static.wildabouttrial.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Detective-Flores-Investigation-Report.pdf
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Notwithstanding the personal opinion given as fact that TA had been posing for the shower pics, just what did DetM have to do to recover these unallocated(note they weren't included in his initial statement of having been deleted by the camera, just that they were on the memory card) pics? Could it have made the date from having recovered the shower pics somehow also transfer onto the "unallocated" photo shoot pics, especially if they hadn't had a date stamp on them previously(like most of JA's pics never had) and had possibly been loaded into the camera memory when the memory card/stick had been inserted to take the shower pics?

 

[geevee]

My questioning the date of the pics is twofold, first they don't make any sense given the context(TA's 3 hole wonder words and JA's scissor letter, plus whatever had caused it all to come to that, both apparently have a history of parting amicably with their ex's) and then the evidence as stated from:
http://cdn-static.wildabouttrial.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Detective-Flores-Investigation-Report.pdf
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Notwithstanding the personal opinion given as fact that TA had been posing for the shower pics, just what did DetM have to do to recover these unallocated(note they weren't included in his initial statement of having been deleted by the camera, just that they were on the memory card) pics? Could it have made the date from having recovered the shower pics somehow also transfer onto the "unallocated" photo shoot pics, especially if they hadn't had a date stamp on them previously(like most of JA's pics never had) and had possibly been loaded into the camera memory when the memory card/stick had been inserted to take the shower pics?

I agree with your points as well Val, there are just too many incongruencies with these pics and the only verification was one EnCase report on a memory card that had been through a washer with bleach and would not open in a card reader but had to physically be put in Melendez' computer. Neither side objected because both thought the pics/time stamps helped their case, but how much help are they truly if the info (time stamps) can't be relied upon? I don't believe a thing she says about the occurrences of that day, I just wish either side had worked harder to develop a true timeline.

 

[ElleElle]

Hi Frigga :wave: I'm pretty sure this is it.

http://www.examiner.com/article/jod...l-for-christmas-jail-juan-martinez-fights-bac


Here are all the latest articles on the examiner

http://www.examiner.com/topic/jodi-arias

Thanks DMacky for finding a working link! You rock! :rocker:

 

[Nore]

On her bank statement with the three gas cans debits, there is also a debit to a wrecker service in Yreka for her blowing out a tire (Bill said they were bald) trying to her to Travis's funeral, then a debit for Priceline for a plane ticket for 246.99, a 28.00 debit at Sacramento airport to get to Travis's memorial and then you have 19.99 debit for PPL web service. I wonder what that debit is for? A monthly fee you had to pay to be in PPL? She said she wasn't doing very well at it.


And you're wrong Steely. it's not a pyramid scheme. Gus was having a hard time with Juan calling PPL a pyramid scheme, so Juan said let's call it a triangle, the look on Gus's face was priceless.

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Hi, there was a pyramid scheme going around I'd say in 1948..Was called a pyramid. Some guy a huge BS'er was trying to sell my mother on it. LOL was on him as Mom had no money..:laughing: it was exposed for what it was , many people went to jail over it. :seeya:

 

[ElleElle]

On her bank statement with the three gas cans debits, there is also a debit to a wrecker service in Yreka for her blowing out a tire (Bill said they were bald) trying to her to Travis's funeral, then a debit for Priceline for a plane ticket for 246.99, a 28.00 debit at Sacramento airport to get to Travis's memorial and then you have 19.99 debit for PPL web service. I wonder what that debit is for? A monthly fee you had to pay to be in PPL? She said she wasn't doing very well at it.


And you're wrong Steely. it's not a pyramid scheme. Gus was having a hard time with Juan calling PPL a pyramid scheme, so Juan said let's call it a triangle, the look on Gus's face was priceless.

Interesting. A PPL "web service". This tells me she had user/password for an account of some sort. Maybe she also had Travis', and she was able to peruse into it.

 

[TexMex]

I think the defense team is just doing whatever it can to drag out their revenue stream. After this its back to smaller cases less payday. Greed plain and simple.
Whatever fallout there is is regarded as acceptable loss.
It has stopped being about a vicious murder, a unusual defendant, a grief striken family- life or death.
Its unsubstainated claims- misdirection- media coverage- doing everything possible to limit prosecutors evidence.
The eventual sentence is of no importance to defense. They win they will talk about defending the murderers rights; they loose and its whine and play victim. Either way they ARE the news.

The sheer horror of the crime i believe will bring convict death. No enemy -foe -advisary deserves what was done to that YOUNG man. It is so awful. Even now its still appalling.
Jury will make sure she never is let loose.

I think they are dragging it out but not for financial reasons. They are getting $250/hr but in their private practice they probably charge at least $350/hr.

 

[pocketaccent]

I agree with your points as well Val, there are just too many incongruencies with these pics and the only verification was one EnCase report on a memory card that had been through a washer with bleach and would not open in a card reader but had to physically be put in Melendez' computer. Neither side objected because both thought the pics/time stamps helped their case, but how much help are they truly if the info (time stamps) can't be relied upon? I don't believe a thing she says about the occurrences of that day, I just wish either side had worked harder to develop a true timeline.

Awhile ago, in 'post verdict -working out the unresolved questions' thread, we talked about the possibility that Travis may not have bothered to set his Sony with the correct time zone after purchasing it. And now with the new issue regarding *advertiser censored*-watching/virus activity on June 4, 2008, I thought I'd go back to that thread and take another look at what I wrote in Jan 2014.


"Known facts plus a bit of assumption:
Per Flores report, on June 4, Zach came home 3 PM - 4 PM then goes back to girlfriend's house to clean and returns 9 PM. I'm assuming he spent June 3 night - June 4 morning at girlfriend's house for house sitting.
Per Flores report, on June 4, Enrique left home some time in the morning and returns home around 6- 6: 30PM.
Actual time stamps on evidence pictures: Nude pictures start at 1:42 PM. Shower pictures start at 5:22 PM.
Last activities on laptop: 3:34 PM per Martinez direct to Manendez, 4:54 PM per Wilmott cross, 4:19 PM per Flores report.

If I assume the camera time is behind 1 hour:
Nude picture start at 2:42 PM.
Shower picture starts at 6:22 PM.
Not possible because Enrique came home 6 - 6:30 PM.

If I assume the camera time is ahead 1 hour:
Nude pictures start at 12:42 PM.
Shower pictures start at 4:22 PM.
Maybe possible : texts Hughes around noon ok, avoids Zach being home 3-4 PM, but 4:19 pm usage on laptop is so close to shower pictures and need to assume Jodi used his laptop after killing.

If I assume the camera time is ahead 2 hours:
Nude pictures start at 11:42 AM.
Shower pictures start at 3:22 PM.
Not possible because of Zach

If I assume the camera time is ahead 3 hours:
Nude pictures start at 10:42 AM.
Shower pictures start at 2:22 PM.
Possible, but Jodi had to stay quiet when Zach is home 3-4 PM. Need to assume Jodi used the laptop.

If I assume the camera time is ahead 4 hours:
Nude pictures start at 9:42 AM.
Shower pictures start at 1:22 PM.
Possible. Need to assume Jodi used the laptop.

If I assume the camera time is ahead 5 hours:
Nude pictures start at 8:42 AM.
Shower pictures start at 12:22 PM.
Possible, Need to assume Jodi used the laptop.

Because of phone activity around noon with Hughes, the camera time cannot be off more than 5 hours ahead.

My conclusion : Many different scenarios can be gleaned if we assume Travis's camera time was off."

It becomes more mysterious and interesting if we assume that they did not have sex or took nude pictures on that day.