Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 12/19-1/5 Break

[elementary]

Is it just my imagination or has the DT wholly jettisoned mitigation, going all in for victim-trashing?

No, not at all. The DT wants to portray her as 'mentally ill' (PDs are not an 'illness') and therefore, not really responsible for her actions, even though insanity is about knowing right from wrong. They are going with the 'she snapped' defence, because of her allegedly damaged history. So, she doesn't have to take responsibility for butchering Travis. Nor does she have to show remorse because she was not in her right mind and because she was defending herself.

 

[elementary]

Was away all day and come home to only 4 pages? I was hoping I would have lots of reading and catching up to do.

It was nice to have the day off to get some Christmas stuff done, wasn't it?

I wish the judge would have discussed the January schedule in open court with the jury. I'm curious to see when they predict the new end date will be.

You make a good point. Was this simply the failure of tweeters or was the new schedule super secret as well? (And did Judge Stephens have the decency to apologise to the jurors about the major inconvenience?)

 

[elementary]

Good question, nobody seems to know why. Guess Nurmi and the judge aren't taking the order seriously.

Or Judge Stephens is defying the Constitution for the sake of the butcher because JSS knows best.

AZL has already suggested that the media lawyers should show up at court offices with the COA order and ask for the transcript and see what happens.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

Jodi talks about jealousy, and it being a year and a half ago. The same time Bill and Sandy Arais said Jodi was was awing back and forth between rages.


01:46:
JA: I remember feeling jealous when we were together, because this one time, especially when he when he was letting this drunk girl hang all over him, and he wasn’t doing anything to stop it. He was just supporting her and holding her and like right in front of me, and I’m like, “What are you doing?” but I didn’t want to make a scene. You know all our friends were there so I just left. I felt more sad. They were, of course, feelings of…more feelings of insecurity, because it made me wonder, “What are your deeper philosophies if you think that’s okay and we’re in a relationship together?” To him, it was harmless. Umm…when I realized that he didn’t mean anything by it we talked about it so I remember feeling jealous about that. That was … it was almost a year and a half ago.


The woman involved was Clancy Talbot.


and

Clancy Talbot recounted how Arias cornered her in the bathroom at a Pre-Paid legal convention to make it clear to Talbot that Travis “is basically hers.” Talbot told Grace how Arias blocked the door, “because she wasn’t going to let me leave until she was done saying what she was saying.” Talbot reflected, “now looking back on it, it’s just scary.”

and

Talbot went on to tell Grace of another incident where Arias’ possessiveness was on display. According to Talbot, Arias showed up to Alexander’s home uninvited and declared to a group of thirty people, including her, that she was Alexander’s girlfriend. Talbot revealed that Travis told the group, “no, she is not my girlfriend; we went on a couple of dates.” She went on to explain how Travis told Arias there was no room for her to stay at his home and “she ended up sleeping under his Christmas tree.”

 

[Truth Detector]

No, not at all. The DT wants to portray her as 'mentally ill' (PDs are not an 'illness') and therefore, not really responsible for her actions, even though insanity is about knowing right from wrong. They are going with the 'she snapped' defence, because of her allegedly damaged history. So, she doesn't have to take responsibility for butchering Travis. Nor does she have to show remorse because she was not in her right mind and because she was defending herself.

But "she snapped" doesn't comport with her careful planning, and the cover-up which followed her especially cruel first degree murder of TA, the murder of which she has already been found guilty.

Moreover, wouldn't these many months have been better spent on actual mitigation?

Does the DT not realize that this jury is not charged with finding guilt or innocence?

Their mission is to unanimously sentence this felonious convict, this especially cruel premeditating murderer.

The phrase 'barking up the wrong tree' -- whether you're tied to it or not -- comes to mind.

 

[neesaki]

Brought over from previous thread:

Posted by Hatfield Post #933

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?265730-Retrial-for-Sentencing-of-Jodi-Arias-Day-18&p=11320528#post11320528

Somehow I totally missed that during the first trial. That is amazing to me and I do wonder if she used it on him at first while he was in the shower to subdue him.

If someone is wet and gets zapped it probably would have a more dramatic impact.

Those bathroom photos still bug me and it gets confusing to me with the time stamps. I tend to wonder if she may have done some time stamp editing on those photos.

Oh, and I saw one picture the other day I had not seen before. It is not the normal one where he is staring at her in despair. This one particular photo actually seems to show that he is shocked with his eyes very open and acting very shocked like he just got zapped or stabbed. Ill have to find it again. Its in a series of photos like where all the photos are shown in 1 picture and all the photos are sequenced in a list. So it was small and hard to see in that series but his eyes were very open and scared and he looks in obvious pain or shock. Its not the 1 main one we talk about. The 1 I saw he was facing the shower head with his head turned to the left looking at her in shock and pain.

I found it again.
Go to time = 1:32 at this link to see the pic I am meaing. His mouth is wide open as if he is shocked. His eyes wide open too and to me he looks terrified of something or he just got zapped or or stabbed or something.

WARNING....GRAPHIC pics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlNW3Gtd7Yc
I may have interpreted the pic wrong but I had never seen that 1 before.

Thank you Hatfield, that's the very photo, at 5:27:18, that has always had me convinced, from the very beginning that he had absolutely no idea that she was there... According to the expression on his face in this photo, he was completely taken off guard, totally shocked at her appearance. He had believed she was long gone. That photo is very telling, IMO.

Posted by Val1 Post #934:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?265730-Retrial-for-Sentencing-of-Jodi-Arias-Day-18&p=11320560#post11320560

 

[NashBridges2]

Or Judge Stephens is defying the Constitution for the sake of the butcher because JSS knows best.

AZL has already suggested that the media lawyers should show up at court offices with the COA order and ask for the transcript and see what happens.

I'm actually surprised they didn't do this.

 

[neesaki]

:seeya: Good morning all. Even though my brain is still frazzled from this week's testi-agony, I couldn't help but hope that today is still a scheduled court administration Friday, and perhaps, just perhaps, the testimony might be released. I'm going to pop in and out to check.

Per the suspicious journals, my hinky metre went off the first time I saw excerpts on Nancy Grace. Remember those never ending nightly 'bombshell' episodes on JA? I've always felt that on her return to Cal. she took her original 2008 journal and edited it into a new one, to be read just in case she was ever caught. I don't think she had thoughts then of DV or pedo, but was intent on making Travis appear 'mean', both for spite, and to make it appear that she had broken away from him for good. Maybe great chunks were considered too prejudicial to be introduced by Juan, but IIRC we never heard mention of entries when she first met Travis; nor of her preparing for the 'trip'. Both of those times would have been very important for her to note.

Absolutely agree, She never even dreamed she would be caught, everything she has done has been to avoid being held accountable. She is not only extremely conniving and cruel, but a coward.

 

[neesaki]

Also, just saw that pic of CMJA with the braids again.... how creepy .

 

[janx]

But "she snapped" doesn't comport with her careful planning, and the cover-up which followed her especially cruel first degree murder of TA, the murder of which she has already been found guilty.

Moreover, wouldn't these many months have been better spent on actual mitigation?

Does the DT not realize that this jury is not charged with finding guilt or innocence?

Their mission is to unanimously sentence this felonious convict, this especially cruel premeditating murderer.

The phrase 'barking up the wrong tree' -- whether you're tied to it or not -- comes to mind.

The court cliché that resonates is: "They have nothing to work with." And it's true in this instance. There are no mitigating factors, so the defense has to fabricate a story using cherry-picked evidence.

 

[neesaki]

If there is a psychologist on the panel, which has been rumoured I believe, I hope that he/she makes it to final selection and explains to the rest of the panel just how ridiculous the "opinion" of both of the defense psychologists is. This must be screaming out to them personality disorder and yet neither doctor is willing to go there. Why? I don't think the client will let them. She will not take responsibility for this crime, mental illness or not. She is convinced she will walk on appeal and is actively working towards it already.

MOO

I haven't heard this, one of the juror's is supposedly a psychologist ?

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

It was Feb. 1st and 2nd, according to this article. There's more stalking info in there to.


Just four months before he was found dead in his Arizona home, Travis Alexander called police and reported that his car tires had been slashed, according to records obtained exclusively by ABC News. The incident, described as "criminal damage," lists Alexander as the caller and his Mesa address, but Alexander did not report who he suspected was responsible.

The call, made to the Mesa Police Department on Feb. 2, 2008, has not been introduced in court, despite testimony regarding tire slashing from multiple witnesses during the four month-long trial of Jodi Arias, Alexander's ex-girlfriend accused of his murder.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/jodi-arias-jury-police-complaint-tire-slashing/story?id=19064576

Jodi tells Det. Flores that she and Travis became "official" on February 2, 2007 and the YouTube of Travis telling the story about the gun to his head was in March at a PPL event in Oklahoma City and they broke up June 29 IIRC, and Jodi moved to Mesa in August. Jodi tells Det. Flores that she told Travis about celebrating if they lasted a year. He was not so much. When she slashed his tires would of been the first anniversary of when they became official.

 

[Val1]

For some reason, I keep thinking TA kept a journal as well. Am I remembering wrong? If he did keep one, I'd love to compare the time frames in CMJA journals to what travis journals say. We all know travis never had the time, motive, to doctor his journals since she made sure of that.

BBM No, but JA did and perhaps that was one of the things he was upset with her about. Wasn't one of his accusations that she had stolen his journals?

 

[Val1]

Jodi tells Det. Flores that she and Travis became "official" on February 2, 2007.

BBM Haha, according to JA's letter to her supporters, that word now means fraudulent.

 

[neesaki]

BBM No, but JA did and perhaps that was one of the things he was upset with her about. Wasn't one of his accusations that she had stolen his journals?

Yes.

Posted by Josie1986 Post # 277
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-of-Jodi-Arias-Day-11&p=11221238#post11221238

Jen's Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 24s 25 seconds ago
Travis- U stole my journals, you slashed my tires and I know it....#jodiarias #3tvarias

 

[Val1]

I was very impressed with DeMarte. When will she be taking the stand? Is it right after Geffner?

According to one of the latest DT motions, she is one of the witnesses that they are trying to keep out. We can only hope that JSS disregards this, surely the PT has the right to counter anything the DT witnesses have claimed, especially when they're sneaking in testimony through an expert so as to not have to call the actual witness(testimony that would otherwise be known as hearsay)?

 

[rose222]

Brought over from previous thread:

Posted by Hatfield Post #933

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?265730-Retrial-for-Sentencing-of-Jodi-Arias-Day-18&p=11320528#post11320528



Thank you Hatfield, that's the very photo, at 5:27:18, that has always had me convinced, from the very beginning that he had absolutely no idea that she was there... According to the expression on his face in this photo, he was completely taken off guard, totally shocked at her appearance. He had believed she was long gone. That photo is very telling, IMO.

Posted by Val1 Post #934:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?265730-Retrial-for-Sentencing-of-Jodi-Arias-Day-18&p=11320560#post11320560

She could have also pulled out her weapons at that point which would account for Travis' startled face. He does look like he is posing albeit in a constrained manner. And these poses are similar to the Psycho shower scene ones. I don't know what to think especially considering that she herself admitted that Travis liked his shower time to be private. I wish we could know for sure.

 

[5bigfish5]

Jodi tells Det. Flores that she and Travis became "official" on February 2, 2007 and the YouTube of Travis telling the story about the gun to his head was in March at a PPL event in Oklahoma City and they broke up June 29 IIRC, and Jodi moved to Mesa in August. Jodi tells Det. Flores that she told Travis about celebrating if they lasted a year. He was not so much. When she slashed his tires would of been the first anniversary of when they became official.

I wondered how she kept up with all the fake dates. Groundhog Day.

 

[TexMex]

She could have also pulled out her weapons at that point which would account for Travis' startled face. He does look like he is posing albeit in a constrained manner. And these poses are similar to the Psycho shower scene ones. I don't know what to think especially considering that she herself admitted that Travis liked his shower time to be private. I wish we could know for sure.

I agree. I have never seen fear in the face pic. To me it's irritation. It's *look, I've been posing for you for eight minutes now..naked with my shower door open...can you hurry up and get on the road? I've got a business call in an hour*

IMO it took her the nine minutes to gather up her courage and commit to going through with actually stabbing another human in the heart. She had imagined it for a couple of weeks but carrying it out took her a few minutes to convince herself AGAIN to do it.
She could have called it off. Taken one more picture then said goodbye, get in her car and left. But she went through with her plan. He had to die so she could move on.

 

[bsk]

No, not at all. The DT wants to portray her as 'mentally ill' (PDs are not an 'illness') and therefore, not really responsible for her actions, even though insanity is about knowing right from wrong. They are going with the 'she snapped' defence, because of her allegedly damaged history. So, she doesn't have to take responsibility for butchering Travis. Nor does she have to show remorse because she was not in her right mind and because she was defending herself.

I wonder how much freedom Juan has to point out the seeming legal flaw in this defense logic. The trial would have been the place to argue insanity. She wasn't found not guilty by reason of insanity then, so she's not insane period. That's not even open for the jury's consideration. So it's a given that she knew right from wrong and they have to assume that, correct?