Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 2/13 thru 2/18 - Break

[LinasK]

Yes, it doesn't sound like something most men would write. The syntax is def JAA imo.

Last night OWN had a 2hr Snapped on CMJA. I'd forgotten just how disturbing she was, the hate-filled stares at JM and Ryan Burns as he testified. One thing jumped out at me as I watched; I think the killer started plotting Travis' demise before she moved back to Yreka. I think one of the reasons she moved was to put distance between her and the crime, thinking in her warped mind she'd be less of a suspect.

Her lack of affect during her allocution, wow! She really is emotionally null, unless her anger is aroused, and she has a lot of rage, no doubt. I honestly believe she threatened Travis long before she slaughtered him; about outing their relationship. And I think the majority of the sex she claims happened never did. Seeing that seething hatred in her eyes and reading how she smiled as Nurmi demanded the court watchers be expelled tell me all I need to know about what kind of creature JA is. Now more than ever, I'm convinced she would kill again, and with very little provocation.

BBM. Agreed about the wording choices, those just aren't Travis's style, but they are Jodi's. I think you could be onto something- Scott Peterson kept changing his story between fishing at the Berkeley Pier (where Laci's body was found) and golfing in Modesto (where she was supposedly kidnapped from), trying to put distance from himself and the crime scenes.

 

[katydid23]

I have some thoughts about the way that Juan just threw that implication out there, that the text may not have come from Travis:

My dad was a wonderful attorney. And he loved to do just that---throw an idea, implied accusation, out to the jury in passing. He said that if you try and 'hammer something home' , over and over, the jury gets annoyed. Or they do not trust it.

He felt that if he threw just a hint of an accusation out to them, they would latch onto it AS IF they figured it out themselves. The jury loves to figure out things on their own. It makes them feel solid and confident about their verdict. Usually they do not fully trust either side. Rightfully so.

So I liked the way that Juan handled that. He gave the jury just enough info for them to connect the dots. Sure, sometimes jurors fail to connect the dots. That Floridian Jury still pains me. But we have seen from the jury questions that this panel has some bright, inquisitive minds. I doubt this hello info was lost on them. And if they did catch it, they will 'own it.' JMO

 

[pacnwgal]

That's somewhat reassuring. Though I'd think he would have written about it if he was thought it important. I just skimmed thru the State vs JS and they made no mention of it at all either.

In BK's latest video, she moved from her daily summary into member questions without mentioning the Helio issue, and my heart sank, but she quickly interrupted herself to go back and talk about the Helio testimony and my heart started beating again. BK seemed to understand the implication JM was floating out for the jurors' consideration. IMHO, it's HUGE, and I can't believe it isn't being discussed more on other forums and Facebook.

 

[LinTX]

Just a little reminder re: JA's computer. That was the one that was sent out of state and returned with something like 3 out of 4 sectors recovered. There was testimony about some of the pics found on it during both Dworkin and Melendez testimony, 1st trial. Don't remember anything being mentioned about email or other info found on it though.

 

[Kensie]

What is a surrebuttle? Will Drs. F and G be on the stand for days on end??

 

[ZoeyW]

I have some thoughts about the way that Juan just threw that implication out there, that the text may not have come from Travis:

My dad was a wonderful attorney. And he loved to do just that---throw an idea, implied accusation, out to the jury in passing. He said that if you try and 'hammer something home' , over and over, the jury gets annoyed. Or they do not trust it.

He felt that if he threw just a hint of an accusation out to them, they would latch onto it AS IF they figured it out themselves. The jury loves to figure out things on their own. It makes them feel solid and confident about their verdict. Usually they do not fully trust either side. Rightfully so.

So I liked the way that Juan handled that. He gave the jury just enough info for them to connect the dots. Sure, sometimes jurors fail to connect the dots. That Floridian Jury still pains me. But we have seen from the jury questions that this panel has some bright, inquisitive minds. I doubt this hello info was lost on them. And if they did catch it, they will 'own it.' JMO

Wise man , your pop! Every wife knows the best way to get a honey -do list finished is to make your husband think it was HIS big idea.

I recall Linda Baden being interviewed once about how the hell does Baez get by with making those wholly unproven allegations about pop molesting Casey. She said to the reporter with a grin, "WE are the DEFENSE. The prosecutor has to PROVE his case. We don't have to PROVE anything, we just have to hint at it, imply it ....let the jury infer what they will. WE don't have to PROVE anything. We just plant the seed. "

That is the trouble in this case. "You can't go after a victim, if you do , you may as well turn in your license" Linda Baden said in this interview http://youtu.be/2oNV4WP3YUw?t=21m23s
Jennifer and Kirk are not planting seeds, they are throwing good faith to the side and making the accusations flat out as if they are facts. Putting forth the Affidavit of MarcMcGee without even checking to see if Deanna was even in the country during the time he claims he saw Travis abuse her.....is a good example. That is not planting a seed. That is ...........

 

[Truth Detector]

I am reading the transcripts of Det Flores interviews with JA - in it she says that Travis bought Deanna breast implants. Is that true??

I know one of JA's boyfriends bought her implants...

JA claimed that the Hugheses disclosed this to her as part of an attempt to discourage her from 'waiting' for TA to settle down.

Deanna herself would need to corroborate this before I'll believe it.

But you're correct that the killer wasn't satisfied with what her mama gave her and got her (o)(o) from a surgeon.

Thanks in part to DB and his gas cans, we've all had an unsolicited peek at her 'twin peaks' [with apologies to Hooters' competitor].

 

[elementary]

In BK's latest video, she moved from her daily summary into member questions without mentioning the Helio issue, and my heart sank, but she quickly interrupted herself to go back and talk about the Helio testimony and my heart started beating again. BK seemed to understand the implication JM was floating out for the jurors' consideration. IMHO, it's HUGE, and I can't believe it isn't being discussed more on other forums and Facebook.

How coincidental that the Cha Cha brouhaha occurred at the same time as the damning prosecution testimony from Dworkin. And what are people talking about? The red herring.

 

[Truth Detector]

What is a surrebuttle? Will Drs. F and G be on the stand for days on end??

Hiya, Kensie.

For at least two or three, I'd imagine.

[h=2]surrebuttal - Legal Definition[/h]n
A rebuttal by the defendant to the plaintiff’s rebuttal; in trials, the order of presentation is: plaintiff’s case, the defense, plaintiff’s rebuttal, defendant’s surrebuttal.


Webster's New World Law Dictionary Copyright © 2010 by Wiley Publishing, Inc., Hoboken, New Jersey.
Used by arrangement with John Wiley & Sons, Inc.

 

[Kensie]

Thanks TD. I don't think I will be able to stomach those day..

 

[Truth Detector]

In BK's latest video, she moved from her daily summary into member questions without mentioning the Helio issue, and my heart sank, but she quickly interrupted herself to go back and talk about the Helio testimony and my heart started beating again. BK seemed to understand the implication JM was floating out for the jurors' consideration. IMHO, it's HUGE, and I can't believe it isn't being discussed more on other forums and Facebook.

BBM

Like most of the other salient points in this trial, it was eclipsed by pornographic images and video clips.

 

[Truth Detector]

Wise man , your pop! Every wife knows the best way to get a honey -do list finished is to make your husband think it was HIS big idea.

I recall Linda Baden being interviewed once about how the hell does Baez get by with making those wholly unproven allegations about pop molesting Casey. She said to the reporter with a grin, "WE are the DEFENSE. The prosecutor has to PROVE his case. We don't have to PROVE anything, we just have to hint at it, imply it ....let the jury infer what they will. WE don't have to PROVE anything. We just plant the seed. "

That is the trouble in this case. "You can't go after a victim, if you do , you may as well turn in your license" Linda Baden said in this interview http://youtu.be/2oNV4WP3YUw?t=21m23s
Jennifer and Kirk are not planting seeds, they are throwing good faith to the side and making the accusations flat out as if they are facts. Putting forth the Affidavit of MarcMcGee without even checking to see if Deanna was even in the country during the time he claims he saw Travis abuse her.....is a good example. That is not planting a seed. That is ...........

It was partially effective with Zervakos last go-round.

All they need to do is find (or groom) one more Zervakos on that jury.

 

[Miss Judy]

Wow. I revisited the unedited post-conviction interview with Troy Hayden today after it was posted over on BK's site for someone. Wow wow wow. I'd seen it before, but watching it now was especially infuriating after all of the things the DT and JA have been saying during the penalty phase. I don't know how else to describe it. She completely avoids blame or responsibility throughout the entire interview while trying to put forth this sad, martyred persona. She tries to slide in all of these "zingers" about Juan and TA (which are painfully obvious and fall completely flat) and never once expresses any sorrow or regret for Travis. I just wish that Juan would play that whole thing for the new jury. She's so manipulative, so remorseless. And of course that oh-so-damning admission that she was NOT abused or mistreated by her family. For anyone who can stomach the refresher, it's here:

http://youtu.be/28EpBe6XRpg

 

[Hope4More]

In BK's latest video, she moved from her daily summary into member questions without mentioning the Helio issue, and my heart sank, but she quickly interrupted herself to go back and talk about the Helio testimony and my heart started beating again. BK seemed to understand the implication JM was floating out for the jurors' consideration. IMHO, it's HUGE, and I can't believe it isn't being discussed more on other forums and Facebook.

I can't either. Really can't. But then again, not everyone here agreed that the Helio info trumped Dworkin "finding" *advertiser censored* videos on T's HD. And I'm not just referring to you, Truth, though your dissent gives me pause, as you are pretty dang astute.

I still believe the Helio info was worth it, and I still believe at least SOMEONE on the jury got it, but am less sure than I was yesterday that the info lit up the sky for jurors.

 

[pacnwgal]

How coincidental that the Cha Cha brouhaha occurred at the same time as the damning prosecution testimony from Dworkin. And what are people talking about? The red herring.

I totally agree, but the people the defense should be worried about are the 12 actually making the defendant's life/death decision. The defense spends so much time and effort creating a record for potential appeals that I often wonder why they don't just give these 12 people a shot, you know, the ones who seem to be willingly sacrificing their time for this defendant and are probably searching for any reason to hang their hat on a life verdict. If the defense spent a little more time and effort on those 12 people, there might not be a need for an appeal.

 

[RickshawFan]

I disagree with Sanders about the importance of Jodi showing remorse. Who in their right mind is going to believe her now? She has trashed Travis's reputation during both trials. She has allowed the defense team to paint Travis as the suspect. If she started sobbing, got down on the floor screaming, kicking, and crying about how sorry she is, told how she really loved Travis and how she has cried for him every single day since she killed him, I would know the entire speech was a joke. Since NOBODY would believe her, why in the world would she even stand up and just say she's sorry? During the entire trial, she and her defense team have been implying that Travis deserved to die!

One thing that worries me is that sometimes it seems as if Juan assumes that everyone on the jury is as smart as he is. One example is that Paul Saunders didn't understand what Juan was trying to get across about the Helio. Juan should have made it clearer to the jurors. Maybe he is going to wait until closing arguments to put it all together. I didn't realize that I knew what instant messaging was until a few minutes ago. Years ago, my sister and I would send instant messages to each other. In the first half of 2008, I downloaded Yahoo Instant Messenger to speak with my daughter in northern Virginia and her husband who was stationed in the Green Zone in Baghdad.

I just hope that Travis gets the justice he deserves!

BBM. Absolutely agree. I think JM's whole case (apart from his defensive maneuvers regarding prosecutorial misconduct) has been to undermine JA's credibility so nothing she says in allocution is going to be believable. Last time, allocution seemed to work on some jurors. This time, no chance. Of course, she thinks her magic mouth will work, but since when has her thinking been rational?

UBM. Paul Sanders is not on this jury, although he projects himself there: nothing to worry about. JM didn't have to make the business about the Heliophone crystal clear. He only had to fix it so that jurors would readily jump to the conclusion that JA created at least a bunch of fake texts/emails/journal entries, and since she did that, none of them are believable. The real jurors (i.e. not the Paul Sanders' version of the real jurors) will have a chance to run in this direction with the help of one another.

 

[Truth Detector]

Wouldn't it be cool if Jodi went in a blaze of glory like Rhoda? :angel:

Great stage play as well.

Patty McCormack, Eileen Heckart, Nancy Kelly, Evelyn Varden, Henry Jones... not a weak link in the bunch.
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[pacnwgal]

I can't either. Really can't. But then again, not everyone here agreed that the Helio info trumped Dworkin "finding" *advertiser censored* videos on T's HD. And I'm not just referring to you, Truth, though your dissent gives me pause, as you are pretty dang astute.

I still believe the Helio info was worth it, and I still believe at least SOMEONE on the jury got it, but am less sure than I was yesterday that the info lit up the sky for jurors.

Even if the info didn't light up the sky for jurors at that moment, I believe JM pre-undermined (is that a word??) Dr. Fonseca's upcoming rebuttal. How will the jurors be able to digest her (plodding) review of texts and emails now that the seeds of doubt have been planted in their minds?

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I thought reporters were allowed to take still photos. I haven't seen any posted. Is there another thread where they are being posted? ty

:seeya: Here's some photos from this past week ... I hope this helps !


Mark Henle @HenleMark · Feb 11
#JuanMartinez after a bench conference with Judge Sherry Stephens during the #JodiArias retrial.

Mark Henle @HenleMark · Feb 11 #JodiArias leaves the courtroom Wednesday afternoon.

Link: https://twitter.com/HenleMark


Tom Tingle @TomTingle2 · Feb 9
#JuanMartinez questions Dr. Janeen DeMarte about #JodiArias and her mental state. Continuing sentencing retrial Mon.

Tom Tingle @TomTingle2 · Feb 9
Dr. Janeen DeMarte answers questions submitted by the jury in #JodiArias sentencing retrial in Phoenix Mon.

Tom Tingle @TomTingle2 · Feb 9
#JodiArias looks at jury Mon in her sentencing phase retrial. Dr. Janeen DeMarte on stand talking about psych tests

Link: https://twitter.com/TomTingle2



Below are links from yesterday's thread with a couple of photos:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-of-Jodi-Arias-Day-35&p=11485478#post11485478

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-of-Jodi-Arias-Day-35&p=11485483#post11485483

 

[Hope4More]

From guilt phase, jury questions to JA (paraphrased)

Q8. About passwords. A: Became a problem after I left. I changed mine, he wasn't OK with that. We had a conversation on May 22 and agreed "we weren't going to do that anymore."
"To my knowledge I didn't log onto his, and I don't think he attempted to log onto mine."

Q20. Relating to Steve Carroll. A: "He wrote me a really nice email which went to my Gmail account, which Travis read..." (goes on to lie about why Travis thought Steve didn't exist.)

Q107. Why sex call was on her Helio phone, not his. A: Travis' phone couldn't record calls. Hers didn't either. Didn't have capability until "I bought the Helio, or Gus gave me the Helio."