Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 2/13 thru 2/18 - Break

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What must the jury be thinking right now?

JA's suspect Defenst Team serving up lie after lie, 'experts' with doctored diagnoses, and a judge hoop-jumping over the Arizona Constitution in order to obey an especially cruel murderer in unprecedented fashion at the jury's expense.

Given the reality on the ground, what little we can see of it, it would seem the table was set for the State, especially after the Court of Appeals and Supreme Court weighed in against the Defense and their judge.

Unlike the JA's hired guns, if there was one thing the jury could count on, it was that the State wasn't going to play games. JM was going to shoot straight, even and especially through the distractions -- including those of a pornographic nature. Over against the monotony of the Defense rehash it was something to look forward to, a thing to be anticipated.

Or was it?

The State assured the jury there was no *advertiser censored* on that hard drive.

When faced with Defense evidence disproving the State's obviously false contention, the State conceded that there were URL's (Internet addresses) which resolve to *advertiser censored* sites, but they certainly weren't admitting anything else -- yet.

Until they were faced with additional evidence, that is. Then the State further conceded that there were four images, but that only two were pornographic. Some downloading by device or human user. And at least one user spent 45 minutes on youporn.com. Not much was said about who that user might or might not have been. (We now know there were multiple images and at least one video on the hard drive, despite the State's initial testimony to the contrary.)

Then the State had its witness assure the jury that the video couldn't actually be played.

Well, that settled the video issue. That is until the State called a Defense witness who explained to the jury that he had no problem playing the *advertiser censored* video.

Isn't this the same prosecutor who aggressively cross-examines Defense witnesses, famously making a major issue out of the number and the size of their own and the defendant's lies?

Now, if folks have read this far without blowing a gasket, congratulations.

Thank you for your patience, and read on.

With me, most of you are no doubt concurring that this sentencing phase retrial isn't about *advertiser censored* -- or at least that it shouldn't be.

And you know what?

I'm still fairly confident that the jury can get past that, if they even need to.

But I'm willing to bet that what some of them will now struggle with moving beyond at this point is something else entirely. Something much larger is at stake. And that something is the very credibility of the State's computer forensics evidence and testimony.

And what of other evidence? Other experts and their testimony? How much of the State's case is now suspect in those jurors' minds?

And if that credibility hit contaminates the State's entire refutation of JA's mitigation claims...

At this point, the jury knows that the Defense will mislead and attempt to hoodwink them.

Are the jurors now thinking that they have to similarly guard against the State, its evidence, its expert witnesses, its testimony -- its entire case?

Where does the jury go now for a little integrity?

I'm not in a position to script this trial, but if I were I'd have scripted a better week than I believe this one was, and right at the point of the State resting its case.

OTOH, maybe trial reporting by Twitter has just caused a giant misunderstanding and the week did not actually unfold as Tweet readers were led to believe.

I could accept that.

You just said what I have been thinking, but was afraid to say. The only thing I got out of yesterday was that it is possible that TA really did not send that text, that it could have come from a computer. And that one line in the message was " I'll take picture's". As far as I know JA say's she was the one taking the pictures, so if that is the case then she gave herself away in that message. If she did not take the pictures, then I am just as confused as ever. I hold on to this one thing, as I know from watching the first trial, JM tied everything together and put a pretty bow on it in his closing and it made perfect sense.

I was so sure that the first jury would come back with a verdict, I figured because of all the *advertiser censored* it would at least be life, I could not believe it when it was a hung jury. I see the same thing here, so much focus on the *advertiser censored*, then it got worse, it turned to child *advertiser censored*, all I see is either the DT will have so disgusted the jury with the non-stop *advertiser censored*, especially the child *advertiser censored* with no proof or with the disgusting actions of the DT Witness' and also the actions of the DT themselves and just quickly come back with life and be done with all this, or all this distasteful crap will have won the PT team a quick verdict out and out as JM has 100% proved his case and the rest just really does not matter in my eyes, so maybe this jury will see it the same way.
But that is just the simple way I see things being from the county and trying to live a simple life, I don't like complicated things! That is why I wonder how on earth I got so involved in this trial of all trials!!!!!!
 
Interesting read about the computer forensic testimony that equals, basically, Jodi lied about Travis's temper (with a list of things that could have triggered a person with a temper, yet Travis acts passively), and she needed to create something big that he would want to kill her for knowing/revealing - something that dropping a camera a few inches would trigger his blind rage causing her to slaughter him in self defense - hence the child *advertiser censored*/pedo/voracious *advertiser censored* appetite lie.

http://.blogspot.com/2015/02/jodi-arias-so-was-there-any-*advertiser censored*.html


Ziggy- the DT's case in guilt phase rested on pedo lie. They needed a reason to explain their fiction of physical abuse etc. Why did T abuse her and only her ? Because she knew his secret. Which led to abuse which led to having to defend herself. JA made this connection between the pedo lie and the rest explicitly in several of her answers to jury questions.
 
Trying to think back to how it may have been prevented to prevent a week like last week.

Going back to the 1st trial, it seems to me all the State had to do was whenever asked by the DT if there was any child *advertiser censored* or *advertiser censored* on Travis computer, all they had to say was
"not that we could find although we were concentrating on looking for evidence of JA murdering Travis"

That way, if the DT ended up looking through deleted partitions and boot sectors like they ended up doing, the State would still have been ok that they missed something like that.

The fact that the DT did not find any *advertiser censored* themselves up until now shows they really had to dig into areas of the computer that are not normally looked at. The DT did not find any *advertiser censored* last year either otherwise they would have showed it at the time.

It almost seems like this latest evidence was manufactured to some extent otherwise the DT would have came up with it sooner. It makes you wonder if the DT found it on that true original clone copy OR was this one of the copies that got altered later on by the virus software.

Something seems real fishy with the way the DT witness threw this new evidence up there all of a sudden. Juan was probably realizing the jury was fatigued about the whole *advertiser censored* thing and maybe why he didnt more agressively counter them on it.
 
What must the jury be thinking right now?

JA's suspect Defenst Team serving up lie after lie, 'experts' with doctored diagnoses, and a judge hoop-jumping over the Arizona Constitution in order to obey an especially cruel murderer in unprecedented fashion at the jury's expense.

Given the reality on the ground, what little we can see of it, it would seem the table was set for the State, especially after the Court of Appeals and Supreme Court weighed in against the Defense and their judge.

Unlike the JA's hired guns, if there was one thing the jury could count on, it was that the State wasn't going to play games. JM was going to shoot straight, even and especially through the distractions -- including those of a pornographic nature. Over against the monotony of the Defense rehash it was something to look forward to, a thing to be anticipated.

Or was it?

The State assured the jury there was no *advertiser censored* on that hard drive.

When faced with Defense evidence disproving the State's obviously false contention, the State conceded that there were URL's (Internet addresses) which resolve to *advertiser censored* sites, but they certainly weren't admitting anything else -- yet.

Until they were faced with additional evidence, that is. Then the State further conceded that there were four images, but that only two were pornographic. Some downloading by device or human user. And at least one user spent 45 minutes on youporn.com. Not much was said about who that user might or might not have been. (We now know there were multiple images and at least one video on the hard drive, despite the State's initial testimony to the contrary.)

Then the State had its witness assure the jury that the video couldn't actually be played.

Well, that settled the video issue. That is until the State called a Defense witness who explained to the jury that he had no problem playing the *advertiser censored* video.

Isn't this the same prosecutor who aggressively cross-examines Defense witnesses, famously making a major issue out of the number and the size of their own and the defendant's lies?

Now, if folks have read this far without blowing a gasket, congratulations.

Thank you for your patience, and read on.

With me, most of you are no doubt concurring that this sentencing phase retrial isn't about *advertiser censored* -- or at least that it shouldn't be.

And you know what?

I'm still fairly confident that the jury can get past that, if they even need to.

But I'm willing to bet that what some of them will now struggle with moving beyond at this point is something else entirely. Something much larger is at stake. And that something is the very credibility of the State's computer forensics evidence and testimony.

And what of other evidence? Other experts and their testimony? How much of the State's case is now suspect in those jurors' minds?

And if that credibility hit contaminates the State's entire refutation of JA's mitigation claims...

At this point, the jury knows that the Defense will mislead and attempt to hoodwink them.

Are the jurors now thinking that they have to similarly guard against the State, its evidence, its expert witnesses, its testimony -- its entire case?

Where does the jury go now for a little integrity?

I'm not in a position to script this trial, but if I were I'd have scripted a better week than I believe this one was, and right at the point of the State resting its case.

OTOH, maybe trial reporting by Twitter has just caused a giant misunderstanding and the week did not actually unfold as Tweet readers were led to believe.

I could accept that.


What a great way of saying what I have been thinking and could not put into words! Thanks Truth.
As a juror of this resentencing phase only, and not having heard the guilt phase, I would be scratching my head that both sides are lying and hiding information. Only thing I am left with (if I am a juror) is the brutality of the crime and not knowing why. Jodi has never offered a good reason and yet they are aware she committed this murder. They definitely have to put her away. I am not at all sure they will vote for death.
 
This is what I do not get. They were not together. It makes no sense to record the call unless she intended to use it for one purpose only. Also was it not reported that Gus did not like Travis. Why would he give her the phone that records?

JA conned men. She wanted the phone, he gave it to her. I think now that she wanted it expressly to make the tape. There is no innocent reason for her taping. She meant to use it against him. After May 26 she opted for murder instead, IMO.
 
JA conned men. She wanted the phone, he gave it to her. I think now that she wanted it expressly to make the tape. There is no innocent reason for her taping. She meant to use it against him. After May 26 she opted for murder instead, IMO.

I think she may have gotten help with how to manipulate the recordings too.

Like piecing parts of the recording from 1 spot and piecing it together onto another spot.
So much of that recording sounded like it was edited. It did not sound like 1 fluid recording to me.

And the way Travis voice was so garbled. Something was really off about that tape and I know Travis was tired and maybe on sleeping medicine but I think there is even more to it than that. I suspect JA really manipulated that recording in more ways than 1.

Even to the point of manufacturing words that he may not have even said by piecing together parts of his voice from 1 spot to another spot.
Remember the patent we talked about before. It had to do with voice recognition software if I am not mistaken. There is no telling how much hands on training JA got to be able to generate that recording.

All JMO of course.
 
I don't know about the recording on helio but I do know this

My mother is 94, for a long time I have called her and we talk about the olden days. I put my phone on speaker, I have a recorder close to it and we talk. Then I use the recording to make a little story for all of her family and I share it in a group on FB. Everyone loved it.

The recording is excellent I can here her voice clearly as well as mine. So I don't understand why a recording directly to a source ie helio phone would not have been as clear or better than what I do. Dunno


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I'm re-reading BK notes for the entire testimonies of Dr. F and Geffy (looking for how they used texts and emails).

Here in one list are the reasons Dr. F gave for thinking T was a pedophile.

1. Sex tape...12 yr old orgasm, corking the pot
2. Travis shaved pubic area
3. Pic of JA in pigtails
4. Julie Haselem convo in which he says "there is no such thing as too young"
5. Email to Damian's 9 yr old daughter
6. JA catching him with boy *advertiser censored*

Ummm. Looking at the above.....Truth- do you really think the jury will find the state and DT equally untruthful? About evidence that MATTERS?
 
Even if the info didn't light up the sky for jurors at that moment, I believe JM pre-undermined (is that a word??) Dr. Fonseca's upcoming rebuttal. How will the jurors be able to digest her (plodding) review of texts and emails now that the seeds of doubt have been planted in their minds?

Good point, and I know several others have made this point as well. What will also be damning I think is the likely arrogant and dismissive attitude Fonesca will exhibit when Juan starts to query her on the this "new" significant fact.

I can't imagine her taking well to the idea that she based the majority of her conclusions on texts possibly manufactured by the murderess.
 
After viewing BN's lack of credibility regarding the computer issues, I so wish the state would have challenged the credibility of the recording.

I don't remember hearing "corking the pot" at any time.

I don't hear as well as I used to though.
 
By the way, Dr. F actually testified that the sex tape indicated that Travis' "comfort level with JA was growing."

Ooooooooh.
 
Yes, it doesn't sound like something most men would write. The syntax is def JAA imo.

Last night OWN had a 2hr Snapped on CMJA. I'd forgotten just how disturbing she was, the hate-filled stares at JM and Ryan Burns as he testified. One thing jumped out at me as I watched; I think the killer started plotting Travis' demise before she moved back to Yreka. I think one of the reasons she moved was to put distance between her and the crime, thinking in her warped mind she'd be less of a suspect.

Her lack of affect during her allocution, wow! She really is emotionally null, unless her anger is aroused, and she has a lot of rage, no doubt. I honestly believe she threatened Travis long before she slaughtered him; about outing their relationship. And I think the majority of the sex she claims happened never did. Seeing that seething hatred in her eyes and reading how she smiled as Nurmi demanded the court watchers be expelled tell me all I need to know about what kind of creature JA is. Now more than ever, I'm convinced she would kill again, and with very little provocation.

BBM - I totally agree, in fact if you watch the video from the Medford's when TA talks about the look of despair he tried to muster up in his retina(or something to that effect), you can almost see the switch go on in JA that hey that sounds like a neat picture...so if she hadn't already decided by then, you can see the different components she used starting to gather in that moment.
 
I think she may have gotten help with how to manipulate the recordings too.

Like piecing parts of the recording from 1 spot and piecing it together onto another spot.
So much of that recording sounded like it was edited. It did not sound like 1 fluid recording to me.

And the way Travis voice was so garbled. Something was really off about that tape and I know Travis was tired and maybe on sleeping medicine but I think there is even more to it than that. I suspect JA really manipulated that recording in more ways than 1.

Even to the point of manufacturing words that he may not have even said by piecing together parts of his voice from 1 spot to another spot.
Remember the patent we talked about before. It had to do with voice recognition software if I am not mistaken. There is no telling how much hands on training JA got to be able to generate that recording.

All JMO of course.



BBM:

Ah yes, G.S. and he was a computer buff as well.
 
BBM. I don't remember seeing any evidence that Travis was doing Jodi while he was dating Lisa. I believe Jodi got in the way in the sense that she kept sabotaging TA's relationship with Lisa, and that caused Lisa to back off. This wasn't anything TA had control over: Jodi was on a mission.

If you watch Lisa's testimony and Dan's you'll see that Travis was dating Lisa and seeing Jodi behind her back.

Here is Lisa, then Dan http://youtu.be/SO0YdawUss0?list=PL_Rz53XTtnkEf4qetcdaEwSY00mKCOoYo

He went on the trips with Jodi, lied to Lisa about it. One of his room mates told Lisa that he was indeed having Jodi over to the house while Lisa wasn't there . Lisa broke up with him, she said in her letter she just did not believe that Jodi would keep chasing after him, calling while they were on dates, etc if she weren't getting some signals from Travis. I wish it weren't the case. I wish he had left Jodi in the dust and just devoted all of his efforts to Lisa. He had asked her to marry him too soon and it scared her off she said, but an ongoing problem was she had a gut feeling he was indeed cheating with Jodi, just as she had been told. Here is part of Lisa's interview and the police call in sheet from one of the times Jodi slashed tires. Jodi also wrote this insane letter to Lisa after following she and Travis on dates. It is a miracle that Lisa didn't get killed in this mess too. I would not put it past Jodi Arias. Lisa Andrews interview snippet about Jodi Arias slashing Travis' tires two nights in a row.jpgTRAVIS AND LISA CALLED COPS AFTER JODI SLASHED HIS TIRES ALL FOUR OF THEM TWO DAYS IN A ROW.jpg
Here is the letter it is widely believed Jodi Arias wrote to Lisa http://www.courtchatter.com/2015/02/jodi-arias-email-to-lisa-andrews.html
 
Does anyone recall or have information when and how LE got a hold of Jodi's computer? I know the hard drive was smashed, but is that what they saw or is that what Jodi told them? Where was this computer found?

thanks
 
After viewing BN's lack of credibility regarding the computer issues, I so wish the state would have challenged the credibility of the recording.

I don't remember hearing "corking the pot" at any time.

I don't hear as well as I used to though.

I don't either though I could be misremembering. Iirc, ALV is the one who said the corking the pot thing and attributed it to Travis, which, again, I don't remember him saying, and Fonseca has run with it. Why does Juan keep letting them say this?
 
I'm re-reading BK notes for the entire testimonies of Dr. F and Geffy (looking for how they used texts and emails).

Here in one list are the reasons Dr. F gave for thinking T was a pedophile.

1. Sex tape...12 yr old orgasm, corking the pot
2. Travis shaved pubic area
3. Pic of JA in pigtails
4. Julie Haselem convo in which he says "there is no such thing as too young"
5. Email to Damian's 9 yr old daughter
6. JA catching him with boy *advertiser censored*

Ummm. Looking at the above.....Truth- do you really think the jury will find the state and DT equally untruthful? About evidence that MATTERS?

Not a chance in heck. The state has done EVERYTHING to dispute the pedo claims. If there is anyone on that jury that still believes that, they either need their bloody heads examined or they're collecting part of Nurmis pay check.

About the Helio, I'm with you Hope. I caught how important it is. I just think JM is saving it for the big closing finale.
 
Oh. Thanks. Yeah I read his own article where he described himself doing that. LOL

Yeah, thats a bit crazy. LOL

A bit crazy? It's more than a bit crazy. Had that been a JA supporter who chased down a witness everyone here would have been all up in arms. It's disturbing, it's wrong and it went way over the line.
 
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