Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias #5

[MeeBee]

@TrialDiariesJ: #jodiarias has objected to the openings being televised so you won't be seeing it folks #3TVArias

 

[AZlawyer]

Based on what I know about the case and my disdain for Ms. Arias, I could easily vote for the DP, but I doubt that there will be a unanimous verdict. :twocents:

A question for anyone who knows: IIRC, during the first trial, commentators mentioned that if Jodi was sentenced to death, the state of AZ would pay for all of her subsequent appeals. On the other hand, if Jodi was sentenced to LWP or LWOP, she would be personally/financially responsible for her appeals. Is this true?

She will be provided a court-appointed attorney for appeal either way. Unless she collects so much $$$ she's not indigent any more!

Problem is females tend to stick together...

hahahhahaa no.

The way tweets conveyed it to us Judge S. listed the mitigators as established fact~her age, remorse, blah blah. Surely she did not do that!

No way. Don't worry about that.

We all knew Nurmi would retry the guilt phase. Wonder how far he is allowed to go? I suppose Juan's objection will mark the spot.

He has not been talking about guilt-phase issues. All this parental abuse stuff is mitigation.

I know. I suppose there can be no objections yet until we get out of the "opening statements".
I sure hope the judge really thinks carefully when weighing objections from Juan. My guess is he will have a lot of valid objections.


Nurmis opening sounds more like a fiction novel so far.

But not objectionable... legally I mean.

Jen's Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 44s 45 seconds ago
#9- #jodiarias psychological makeup impaired her ability to cope with the tumultuous relationship she had with Travis #3TVArias

i dont get why they are now saying she is 'mentally ill' surely this would have been a better strategy at the guilt phase.

No, at the guilt phase she would have to prove insanity, and there was no way that would work. But mental illness is mitigation.

I thought there were to be no objections during opening statements. Am I thinking incorrectly?

No, there can be objections, although it's not necessary to object unless there's something mistrial-worthy going on, since opening statements aren't evidence.

Soooo if found guilty of murder but not sentenced JA is mentally ill, how can she be facing a possible death sentence. I always thought this could not be done to the mentally ill????

Most people on death row are mentally ill to some degree. Very few truly normal people commit premeditated aggravated murders.

Aloha everyone, two things jump out at me about Nurmi opening. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Nurmi saying the convicted murderer is remorseful. I thought there was a motion (awhile back) that Mr. Martinez couldn't argue that the convicted murderer wasn't remorseful so why is Nurmi being allowed to state she is?

Second, I remember when Dr. Hayes was on the stand stating her open cases she stated one didn't go to trial as the perp was declared incompetent to stand trial. I recall the convicted murderers head shooting up and quickly taking notes. It might be where we have now the "mentally ill" phrase from Nurmi.

Remorse is a mitigating factor--but lack of remorse is not an aggravating factor. However, if JA's arguing remorse, JM should be able to rebut the claim of remorse with evidence inconsistent with remorseful behavior, like covering up the crime. What would a remorseful person have done if forced in self-defense to kill the person she loved but who abused her constantly? IMO she would have dropped the knife and called 911 screaming.

 

[LinasK]

Which is so weird to me. A lot of the men I talked to are your typical single young to young-ish man and they said they had no problems with finding her guilty....probably thinking in their minds of past women they dealt with and grateful they didn't run into someone like her in their wild-oat sowing past or present. Men are so strange...lol

Some people who don't follow it closely only see what they want to see and not the whole picture. DH thought Juan was too much of a pitbull. I also have a friend who thought Michael Jackson was asexual- she likes his music.

 

[krkrjx]

I'm not sure it was ever verified that JA met TA at a motel in AZ. That was her story but I can't remember if there was proof that it ever happened.

I think when they first got together they met at a halfway mark...wasn't it at the Hughes's home? At least up until the time when they didn't want Jodi around anymore. Then I think she went to him. But the main thing to consider is then they were considered a couple. When they split, they got together on her initiating it. I don't think they would have at all if it were left up to him to make a move. He wanted out by then. So from then on (which is the important time in question anyway--re her claim of abuse on his part) it was always her going to him.

 

[JSR]

I'm not sure it was ever verified that JA met TA at a motel in AZ. That was her story but I can't remember if there was proof that it ever happened.

Was that the time that the Hughes drove with him? Or am I mixing up the details??

 

[elementary]

THANK YOU!!!! Hi Elementary--TXProfessional here. My thoughts are flying and my emotions are negatively hightened hearing this. I cannot believe the lies they will spew in an attempt to save the murderer's worthless, evil life. By the way it is my contention that the apparently in-depth focus of Travis as a motivational speaker in DT's opening is their attempt to paint Travis as a Svengali.

This murderer has killed him over and over again without one ounce of remorse. She has made a laughing stock of the seriousness of domestic violence. May Travis' case shine the light of truth about female predators and bring public awareness for all the men out there that are victims of stalking and domestic violence. The death penalty is the only sentence that will serve justice in this case--and send a message to women that they are not exempt from the ultimate and equal (to men) punishment if you viciously, premeditately murder another person. I pray the jury will have the strength of purpose and the clarity of truth to bring Travis and his family the long awaited justice they deserve.

TXProfessional/Mindmatters! How great to see you back!

I agree with everything you said x a zillion. The DT and her sick family make a mockery of DV and make it that much harder for true victims to be believed.

 

[rose222]

Ok, I don't want to quibble. I think the jist of what I was saying came across. Obviously, Travis must have gone to see her in one or two instances we know about. I'm not trying to be exact. The point I was making is Travis never just picked up and went to see her. The clip and way it was done is vast. Jodi would pick up in the middle of work and drive 1,000 miles to see him. She moved to his city after they broke up. What I'm saying is, when we're talking about abuse and stalking, where does the arrow point? It's just evidence and it's very, very telling to me.

And I'm done with this because I just don't see the point in arguing over pedantry or making literal tallies.

@TrialDiariesJ: Back in the courtroom #jodiarias

I agree 100%, MeeBee. We're talking about stalking, harassing and that sort of shady behaviour. Not only did Travis not engage in that but he was also HAPPY that she moved away. He even gave her a car and told her to take off to California!

 

[Tuba]

I want to go on the record saying I do not believe she was abused. She has a habit of describing fake happenings for dramatic effect and to bring gasps from those listening. Just remembered Patti Womack said she had always made abuse claims. She was her friend then and yet did not believe her accounts. DeMarte characterized her as a manipulative liar and I think abuse is her stock in trade for manipulation. We all have a visceral reaction to her tales of woe and they all have this melodramatic quality. Let's hope the jurors share our instinct.

 

[josie1986]

Jen's Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 41s 41 seconds ago
I will be on Nancy Grace around 4pm PST #JodiArias

en's Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 43s 43 seconds ago
#jodiarias has objected to the openings being televised so you won't be seeing it folks #3TVArias

of course she did
did we really expect any less

 

[dog.gone.cute]

From WAT:

Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial · 2m 2 minutes ago


We're back in business. Waiting for Jury. #JodiArias objects to media request of opening statements being released.

 

[AngelWings444]

From Beth Karas website:


1:50 The judge is back on the bench. I made a request of the court during the lunch hour for a copy of the preliminary instructions. Denied.

 

[Sulamith]

There was one time he was in town and went to see her. He was with a friend. If I am remembering correctly...

That might have been to attend her baptism, as I seem to remember that he attended that. Other than that, I don't think he went to see her any other time, and if she says that, I don't believe her because everything she's said is a huge lie.

IIRC, TA and a friend stopped by JA house rather late and she was watching The Secret movie.

TA not only attended her baptism, he baptized her.

 

[LinasK]

Pretending they actually had a 'relationship' that wasn't really only about 5 months total... As the defense tells it, if they want you to believe that JA was Travis's "Dirty Little Secret" than they should stick to him not coming to her 'place', but looking at it practically, she was either living with her ex-boyfriend who had a son, or her grandparents, why would he want to go to her place... He was the one who had a home, and a real job, why would he stay with her?

I hope Juan can talk about the stalking, christmas tree, watching him with Deanna, etc. because that tells a lot about who really wanted to see who.

You have an excellent point, if she was his "Dirty Little Secret", which I don't buy for a minute, except that Jodi is/was dirty, why wasn't he the one visiting her??? Guys who carry on affairs are normally the ones to have their affair at the lover's place, not theirs!

 

[Tonia]

Katie Conner ‏@KatieJConner 30s31 seconds ago

Jury for #JodiArias retrial just walked in. #juanmartinez is up now

 

[JSR]

I agree 100%, MeeBee. We're talking about stalking, harassing and that sort of shady behaviour. Not only did Travis not engage in that but he was also HAPPY that she moved away. He even gave her a car and told her to take off to California!

Yeah I forgot about him giving her his old car.

 

[MeeBee]

@TrialDiariesJ: #jodiarias has objected to the openings being televised so you won't be seeing it folks #3TVArias

 

[josie1986]

en's Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · now
Juan is back on talking about #jodiarias age and how it shouldn't be a mitigating factor #3TVArias

 

[Tonia]

Katie Conner ‏@KatieJConner 42s42 seconds ago

Nurmi objects four times AGAIN with first three minutes of #juanmartinez making his opening statement

 

[MeeBee]

@monicalindstrom: #Nurmi is at fighting weight, he is swinging left &right with objections and some rbeing sustained mostly because JM is arguing #Jodiarias

 

[josie1986]

Jen's Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 3s 3 seconds ago
Juan- #jodiarias is an individual that has a problem with the truth #3TVArias