Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - Day 8

[Nosey Parker]

Excellent, Juan! Excellent!!

Straight to the point, with a couple of good tongue-in-cheek digs to boot. What a pro!

 

[katiecoolady]

No, although IMO the professional thing to do would have been to call JM and say, "Hey. Our expert says the computer was checked out for 'forensic services' at such-and-such time, but we have no report or anything from that time period. Can you find out where the computer was at that time and let us know?"

But of course they knew all that and that wasn't the point of this motion..it was to propagandize their "Travis was a pedophile" story and hope to taint the jury, aided once again by their little dog Kiefer.

 

[Renee110]

Jeffrey Evan Gold @jeffgoldesq · 2m 2 minutes ago
#JodiArias"that's not you that's the TDogg" the Hyde, abusive, womanizer in Travis says Sky Hughes in email

Jeffrey Evan Gold @jeffgoldesq · 3m 3 minutes ago
#JodiArias Martinez will have cross after direct & rebuttal case after defense. The Hughes are going to have lot to say if called by state.

I'm just halfway through reading about today so I apologize if this has been answered. I just wondered if the Hughes can be called if Juan doesn't already have them on his witness list? Or can he just call who has been approved?

Thanks everyone who puts these tweets on here for us!

 

[Nali87]

OMG! Look at the last line of the motion! :floorlaugh: HILARIOUS! Check it out! :floorlaugh:

http://www.fox10phoenix.com/link/72...tor-response-to-computer-tampering-allegation

He made them look like fools lol!!!

 

[Madeleine74]

Let's say Travis was the biggest arse to women and that it's all true -- he was a player and manipulator and a user. Okay concede that.

The defense still has to get the jury to think it was somehow okay or understandable for Jodi to plan and execute a murder of Travis. She went to him, she pre-planned, she carried it out, she showed clear consciousness of guilt, and while she has a personality disorder and might be mentally ill, she absolutely knows right from wrong, knew it on that day, and was convicted of first degree murder.

So even if one dislikes the victim in the case, what gave her the right to kill him in cold blood? And where does "jealous" and "stalkerific" fall on the mitigation scale? Oh right, no where.

 

[Renee110]

It's the 29th anniversary of my brother's murder. I'm so sad and so angry about this travesty of a trial! God bless the Alexanders and all other victims who mourn the loss of loved ones. I know there are too many of you reading here.

My condolences.

 

[katiecoolady]

Here's the thing, as a person goes through the stages of a bad relationship like Jodi Arias had with, basically everybody she ever encountered, there are just that: STAGES. There is the "I'm so charming I can twist you around my finger" stage then there is the one famously portrayed by Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction where it's the "oh don't worry about me, I'm just totally ok with everything that's happening" outer calm/inner seething stage which spikes the spidey senses initially to finally the full blown "aw HELL NAW, you better get way over there away from me" stage once someone figures out how toxic this kind of person is.
Let's have this "expert" be addressed on realities like this as related to abusive relationships in her cross examination shall we?

Pretty please? raying:

 

[Shadowboy]

Gladly. I can't believe just how disingenuous the defense experts really are. I've volunteered in DV advocacies on both sides of the pond - have researched DV (causes, manifestations, patterns, etc.) for years - and there is nothing to suggest she was a victim other than a handful of insults.

Silent victim? There's this fallacy that if you're being abused you never react or retaliate. False. Especially when the relationship is still relatively new and the victim may know 'something' is wrong but not quite what. It takes years if not decades to get to the point of never, ever fighting back - because, as we are conditioned - fighting back elicits a more violent response. In fact, even after 10 years, I stood screaming at my ex, on our front lawn, to just get on with it and kill me already. I looked and sounded like a madwoman, I'm sure. :blushing: But that's what long term EA does to you - you're just exhausted by being on eggshells constantly.

And then there's the whole on average abuse victims go back 7 times before leaving for good. However, there are so many reasons victims return to their abuser. Returning from another state, because your self esteem is low, when you have housing, a job, a car, a support network; aren't being stalked or threatened; do not share property, a business, or children with your abuser isn't anything I've ever seen any abuse victim do. Many would be elated at the prospect of being able to live, in peace, independently.

Lastly, an emotionally abusive relationship isn't about name-calling, though it can certainly contain verbal abuse. My ex called me beautiful every single day - but - I wasn't allowed money, medication was withheld from me, it was implied I was lazy, stupid, and a poor mother for many years, guns and knives were pulled on me, fire was set to my house, I was threatened constantly that I would be hit or have my children taken from me, my parents were unwittingly used as proxies (much in the same way as the Hughes), I had every friendship sabotaged, was stalked, cyberstalked (my nieces were used in the cyberstalking, posing as friends online to elicit information), precious personal possessions destroyed, my vehicle tampered with, was debased sexually (I didn't like it. )...and still oh so much more. I used to say all it took was just one look. He had this glare that gave me goosebumps. He could cut me to my knees in a room full of people and they'd hardly blink an eye. He, like many afflicted with cluster B personality disorders, knew just what to say or do to manipulate my every action and reaction.

And that is what an emotionally abusive relationship really looks like.

Thanking you is not enough. As a "Campbell Soup" kid (and adult, in most respects) your insights are most appreciated.

 

[fifteen89]

This testimony is making me physically ill.......I cannot wait for Juan to correct this!

Me too. And he will do it much quicker than this. Which should leave the jury wondering why so much time was wasted on these emails.

 

[bznbear]

....let me guess, yet another grandma that is an expert in kinky sex??

Anyone less than 50 would be laughed out of court. I think it's probably common knowledge among Mormons, that grinding and anal/oral sex HAPPENS!!!

Well, I have to disagree with that over 50 thing. Remember the hippies started the whole free love thing.

ETA: I'm not quite that old, lol, but old enough to remember!

 

[Nali87]

My favorite part of JM’s response to “porngate” is this:

“It is also coincidental that the victim allegedly only began to access these site on May 28, 2008, the same day defendant staged the burglary at her grandparents’ home.”

Bazinga!

I'm starting to wonder now... But it couldn't be, could it? Could JA really have been that diabolical? Did she start planning the destruction of his life and reputation in may? As in - did she sent him a virus that would result in *advertiser censored* being found on his computer after death - and the police WOULD have checked - to destroy his reputation? But then after the police got to the deleted photos got scared that they might trace the *advertiser censored* back to her and had them deleted? But then - her attorneys wouldn't help her with that right? That'd be unethical!

I'm overthinking things again.. She couldn't have. THEY couldn't have. Could they?

 

[Ricki]

He made them look like fools lol!!!

Please say what it says. I can't read it on my phone. Thanks


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[katydid23]

Well, I have to disagree with that over 50 thing. Remember the hippies started the whole free love thing.

ETA: I'm not quite that old, lol, but old enough to remember!

But us 'hippies' were the minority. And personally, I remember well the difficulty crossing the divide of the generation gap when I matured and wanted to settle down. Having a history of FREE LOVE did not go over too well with the parents of your love interest.

 

[bznbear]

Michael Kiefer ‏@michaelbkiefer · 21s21 seconds ago
Nurmi has Fonseca read from the email: Alexander talks about fixing himself, about pressure and fear of losing #JodiArias

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 18s18 seconds ago
Travis tells Hughes he's about to have a nervous breakdown #jodiarias #3tvarias

Unfortunately, Travis isn't here to explain the reason he was having the meltdown was because CMJA wouldn't leave him alone sexually!!!!!

 

[Nosey Parker]

I'm starting to wonder now... But it couldn't be, could it? Could JA really have been that diabolical? Did she start planning the destruction of his life and reputation in may? As in - did she sent him a virus that would result in *advertiser censored* being found on his computer after death - and the police WOULD have checked - to destroy his reputation? But then after the police got to the deleted photos got scared that they might trace the *advertiser censored* back to her and had them deleted? But then - her attorneys wouldn't help her with that right? That'd be unethical!

I'm overthinking things again.. She couldn't have. THEY couldn't have. Could they?

No, I don't think she had her DT then delete anything, but I will remain convinced she sent him the virus via some kind of email, text, or chat link. 'Hey Travis, check out the cuties on this site' kind of link. She absolutely knew it was there. I think she had her new PI look into it - he saw the pc was signed out in 2009, and stupid Nurmi ran with it. Nurmi is a fool, and he deserves the public ridicule over this.

 

[Nali87]

Please say what it says. I can't read it on my phone. Thanks


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"Therefore, the state requests that the court prohibits the defendant from questioning witnesses regarding so-called pornographic websites allegedly visited by the victim either before or after his death."

 

[katydid23]

Please say what it says. I can't read it on my phone. Thanks


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I can't get it to go past the first page. Anyone have a clue how I can do that? :blush:

 

[elementary]

@msesquirette: #JodiArias Dr. F says it's "not a perfect love because we're here". In a f-ing murder trial you nit wit. Who cares if he didn't love her!

Remarkable for its insensitivity, callousness and indifference to human suffering and death. From a 'professional'.

 

[katydid23]

"Therefore, the state requests that the court prohibits the defendant from questioning witnesses regarding so-called pornographic websites allegedly visited by the victim either before or after his death."

:floorlaugh: I LOVE Juan, as you can see from my 'verification ' status above. :juanettes:

 

[elementary]

Was she ever a keynote speaker at a conference? (apologies to anyone who didn't follow the original trial and ALV)

From what I've gleaned she has spoken at the same conferences as Alyce LaViolette for years.