Retrieving wreckage from AirAsia Flight To Singapore- no survivors recovered

[Elley Mae]

A string of thunderstorms and clouds over the Java Sea on Sunday led one of the pilots of the now-missing AirAsia commercial jet carrying 162 people to ask to fly at a higher altitude. But his request could not be approved because of air traffic and a flight above his, an Indonesian Transport Ministry official told Kompas, the premier newspaper in Indonesia.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...03067e-8e8c-11e4-a900-9960214d4cd7_story.html

bbm

 

[trigger]

Why can't they invent a better system then the invention of the black box. Sometimes it pings and sometimes it does not. Very aggravating. It's over 20 hours. These poor family members.

 

[CARIIS]

Go to like 10 seconds in , and just stare at the plane - it just started its stall:

Forward motion decreases, it hangs, wings can no longer keep her in the air:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z7GkV5DqOI

 

[SCHMAE]

Why can't they invent a better system then the invention of the black box. Sometimes it pings and sometimes it does not. Very aggravating. It's over 20 hours. These poor family members.

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the black boxes ping consistently in any event except flights lost from Malaysia . I 'm sure there are more incidents of them not working right but to have such a concentration in a short amount of time from the same country's air liners is soooooooooo tinfoilhat!

 

[gregjrichards]

"The billionaire CEO of AirAsia has described missing flight QZ8501 as his ‘worst nightmare’.

Tony Fernandes spoke of his horror over the situation after the plane lost contact with air traffic control with 155 passengers and seven crew members on board, while travelling from Indonesia to Singapore on Sunday.

'We have no idea at the moment what went wrong,' Mr Fernandes, who founded the regional low-cost carrier in 2001, said at a press conference on Sunday. 'Let's not speculate at the moment.'"


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...62-people-set-resume-light.html#ixzz3NEiu1Pf6

Article just updated. Thanks for all your posts and updates they are all appreciated.

 

[CARIIS]

Also on CNN, search effort will be hampered by 9 ft waves and rain, low visibility.

wow and today is supposely much better weather than yesterday!

 

[CARIIS]

I'm wondering right now, why are they so certain the plane is in the area they're searching? MH370 was thought to have continued flying until its fuel ran out. Why do they not assume this happened to this flight? Sorry if this is a stupid question :waitasec:

oh no, that is a good question. I think we will have an answer in like 5-6 hours - floating stuff, jet fuel, oil papers on top of ocean seat cushion a napkin etc.

The only reason why nothing was ever found with MAL anywhere is it did not crash anywhere!

 

[ilovepierre]

Emergency locator beacons transmitting anything? Have officials said yay or nay? CNN seems to be assuming they're not transmitting. But perhaps the people in charge are choosing not to share such info...

Sooooo hoping they find people, plane and survivors. The water is warm.

I hope the the emergency beacons go off this time.
I'd really like for this plane to be found and the loved ones to have closure.

 

[CARIIS]

Well , yes I am because get this ...... supposing the plane has landed somewhere safe , same as 370 and all people are being treated well !!!!!!!!!!! **speculative**

View attachment 66411 This is me !

Fantasy can be healthy!

 

[MsFacetious]

A string of thunderstorms and clouds over the Java Sea on Sunday led one of the pilots of the now-missing AirAsia commercial jet carrying 162 people to ask to fly at a higher altitude. But his request could not be approved because of air traffic and a flight above his, an Indonesian Transport Ministry official told Kompas, the premier newspaper in Indonesia.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...03067e-8e8c-11e4-a900-9960214d4cd7_story.html

bbm

Yeah it looks like there was several flying above him so he couldn't move.

 

[CARIIS]

Just talking to one of our Airbus Engineers - stalling speed would be more like 140 kts.

oh do tell do tell - are they, at this point with what little we know now. that we are in Air France "waters"?

- they are the experts pick their brains for us !! And let us know!!

and the weather is getting much better so we should know something soon!


[h=2]Singapore's Air Accident Investigation Bureau offers Indonesia 2 teams of specialists and 2 sets of underwater locator beacon detectors - @channelnewsasia[/h]

 

[CARIIS]

Which IMO is good they just used it for the smoke screen

[h=2]Editor's note: A GE spokesman said, via Reuters, that the missing AirAsia jet did not have 'real-time remote engine diagnostics service,' in accordance with its role as a short-haul aircraft. -[/h]

 

[emirates1957]

oh do tell do tell - are they, at this point with what little we know now. that we are in Air France "waters"?

- they are the experts pick their brains for us !! And let us know!!

and the weather is getting much better so we should know something soon!

They are out working on aircraft at the moment. I told them I was going to annoy the crap out of them today. So feel free to ask as many questions as you want.

 

[CARIIS]

They are out working on aircraft at the moment. I told them I was going to annoy the crap out of them today. So feel free to ask as many questions as you want.

I am confident they are making no comparasions to mal 370!

I would love to know if they have a totally different event with no similairities to AF?

How open would they be to in air catastophic decompression? In air breakup?

And the bottom line on the emergency pingers. During other events I keep getting different answeres, what activates them, what could prevent them from activating and their range to be picked up!
TY this is exciting the heck with tv readers we got experts- go attack em now! HA !

 

[MsFacetious]

They didn't replace the pitot tubes on this particular plane - the A320.
The pitot tube was the ultimate cause of the Air France 447 (an A330) crash. :twocents:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/01/world/europe/01crash.html?_r=0

Airbus is advising airlines to replace, as a precaution, the type of air speed sensor that malfunctioned on an Air France plane that crash last month, the company confirmed Friday.

Airbus said it had sent the recommendation late Thursday to all operators of Airbus A330 and A340 wide-body planes in anticipation of a European safety order. A spokesman for the European Air Safety Agency has said it would propose within the next two weeks a ban on an older model of the component, known as a Pitot tube, made by the French manufacturer Thales. Airlines using a more recent model of the Thales tube are also being urged to replace at least two of three probes on each plane with a model built by Goodrich, an American competitor, Airbus and the safety agency said.

 

[Dr. Know?]

6m ago23:33

Search and rescue efforts about to resume


From my colleague in Indonesia, Kate Lamb:


“There are ferocious sea currents and westerly winds,” police chief superintendent Nugraha Trihadi told Indonesian news website, detik.com on Monday morning.

The Indonesian military has deployed two Hercules aircraft, two helicopters and six ships to scour the search zone in the Java Sea, in between the islands of Borneo and Bangka-Belitung. Neighbouring Singapore and Malaysia have also offered to send naval and air backup to assist in the search.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/li...rch-for-missing-flight-resumes-at-first-light

It's the Quardian so do know how good their updates are. It's automatically updated at times.

 

[MsFacetious]

Whatever happened to changing the flight number?! :thud:
Unbelievable. :twocents:

https://twitter.com/thatjohn/status/549338402928095232/photo/1

Aviation journalist John Walton notes that Monday’s AirAsia flight QZ8501 has just taken off, as we near 24 hours since the disappearance of yesterday’s plane.

 

[loveamystery]

A string of thunderstorms and clouds over the Java Sea on Sunday led one of the pilots of the now-missing AirAsia commercial jet carrying 162 people to ask to fly at a higher altitude. But his request could not be approved because of air traffic and a flight above his, an Indonesian Transport Ministry official told Kompas, the premier newspaper in Indonesia.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...03067e-8e8c-11e4-a900-9960214d4cd7_story.html

bbm

CNN doesn't seem to be aware of this.

Finally, it's morning and they can get on with the search. The water is only 150ft deep in the search area, but it's very turbulent.

I hope they find it quickly.

 

[CARIIS]

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2014/12/28/airasia-plane-missing-with-162-people-board.html

 

[MsFacetious]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/li...rch-for-missing-flight-resumes-at-first-light

AAP has spoken with an aviation expert, Geoffrey Thomas, who has speculated that QZ8501 may have been flying too slowly when it encountered bad weather conditions.

“Pilots believe that the crew, in trying to avoid the thunderstorm by climbing, somehow have found themselves flying too slow and thus induced an aerodynamic stall similar to the circumstances of the loss of Air France AF447 to crash in 2009,” Thomas told AAP.

The Air France AF447 crashed into the Atlantic Ocean in 2009 while en route from Rio De Janeiro to Paris.

“The QZ8501 was flying too slow, about 100 knots which is about 160 km/h too slow. At that altitude that’s exceedingly dangerous,” Thomas said.

“I have a radar plot which shows him at 36,000 feet and climbing at a speed of 353 knots, which is approximately 100 knots too slow ... if the radar return is correct, he appears to be going too slow for the altitude he is flying at.”

Thomas said this should not happen in an A320, a sophisticated aircraft, so it appears as though it’s related to extreme weather conditions.

“He got caught in a massive updraft or something like that. Something’s gone terribly wrong,” he said.

“Essentially the plane is flying too slow to the altitude and the thin air, and the wings won’t support it at that speed and you get a stall, an aerodynamic stall.”

The A320, while sophisticated, is not equipped with the latest radar, Thomas said.

The radar used by the A320 can sometimes have problems in thunderstorms and the pilot may have been deceived by the severity of these particular ones.

The latest technology radars, which were pioneered by Qantas in 2002, can give a more complete and accurate reading of a thunderstorm, but they haven’t been certified for the A320 until next year.

“If you don’t have what’s called a multi-skilled radar you have to tilt the radar yourself manually, you have to look down to the base of the thunderstorm to see what the intensity of the moisture and the rain is, then you make a judgment of how bad it is. It’s manual, so it’s possible to make a mistake, it has happened,” Thomas said.