Retrieving wreckage from AirAsia Flight To Singapore- no survivors recovered

[IMO]

Those people on the manifest who only showed one name ... I don't think it is extremely unusual for Indonesian's to only have one name. I have heard of it before, in relation to some of the murderers who murdered an Indonesian woman's Aussie husband at her request, and there is this ...



Captain Iriyanto, an Indonesian, and First Officer Remi Emmanuel Plesel were identified as the crew for AirAsia Flight QZ-8501.

AirAsia said that Iriyanto, who only has one name, had more than 6,000 hours of flight experience. Plesel had 2,275 flying hours.

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/116...lesel-idd-as-crew-for-missing-airasia-flight/

Interesting! I found an article that supports your post as well.

http://m.ibtimes.com/sukarno-suharto-megawati-why-do-some-indonesians-have-only-one-name-1408204

 

[SCHMAE]

It's very discouraging that a few hours of daylight have not shown anything anywhere. I understand about the choppy seas , etc. But one would think that a giant plane hitting the water and blowing apart would leave a debris field that someone would see one spot of. Dislike

 

[Dr. Know?]

I've read that the passengers were notified the flight would take off earlier than scheduled and that's why some weren't on the plane. Not sure what is true or not though. This article brings up the passenger list. 23 no shows. There's a lot more in the article too.

AirAsia QZ8501: Search resumes for missing flight after anxious relatives spend night in crisis centreUpdated 40 minutes agoSun 28 Dec 2014, 6:24pm


Mr Hansford said another aspect of the flight was that an unconfirmed passenger manifest shows 23 people who booked to fly did not show up.

He said this was explainable, but it is something that authorities should investigate.

"If it's all a connected group, there's nothing of any complexity in it," he said.

"But if they were 23 people who just didn't make it, we could start to wonder why so many people didn't join the plane."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-29/airasia-flight-qz8501-search-to-resume/5990800

 

[shana]

I've read that the passengers were notified the flight would take off earlier than scheduled and that's why some weren't on the plane. Not sure what is true or not though. This article brings up the passenger list. 23 no shows. There's a lot more in the article too.

AirAsia QZ8501: Search resumes for missing flight after anxious relatives spend night in crisis centreUpdated 40 minutes agoSun 28 Dec 2014, 6:24pm


Mr Hansford said another aspect of the flight was that an unconfirmed passenger manifest shows 23 people who booked to fly did not show up.

He said this was explainable, but it is something that authorities should investigate.

"If it's all a connected group, there's nothing of any complexity in it," he said.

"But if they were 23 people who just didn't make it, we could start to wonder why so many people didn't join the plane."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-29/airasia-flight-qz8501-search-to-resume/5990800

Weren't there 10 of the 23 from ONE family?

 

[SouthAussie]

We might have to wait a few hours for the Orion to get there before any wreckage is sighted. It looks like it is an 11 hour flight, and the Orion left early this morning (it is now lunchtime here). I am not sure if the other planes have the same kind of search abilities. Long wait for the families. It seems like an eternity to us, I cannot imagine how it feels to them.

So far, it sounds as though only one Indonesian boat has reached the area ... and possibly 2-5 Indonesian airforce planes are scouting the seas, but they may just be reaching the zone now.

Seems like such a slow start to an intensive search.



An RAAF P3 Orion maritime patrol aircraft left from Darwin early this morning to join the search, Defence said in a statement. Defence Force boss Air Chief Marshal Mark Binskin said the Orion had well-proven search and rescue capabilities.

https://www.google.com.au/maps/dir/...308566eb9637c6!2m2!1d107.9531836!2d-2.8708938


Five aircraft will be sent to search for the plane, including two C130 military transport aircraft and a Boeing 737, Indonesian air force spokesman Hadi Cahyanto told AFP.

“Two planes have already left. Three more will follow suit. It is cloudy in some parts but still bright,” Mr Cahyanto said.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...-people-on-board/story-e6frg95x-1227168926890

 

[jggordo]

Two Families Escape Disaster By Missing Doomed AirAsia Flight

The Susanto family escaped tragedy. (Susanto/Facebook)

"Two families are thanking their lucky stars that they missed their bookings on doomed AirAsia flight QZ 8501 from Surabaya, Indonesia to Singapore, which lost contact with air traffic control over the Java Sea yesterday.

A sick family member likely saved the lives of Chandra Susanto, his wife Inge, and their three children Christopher,10, Nadine, 7, and Felix, 5."



https://www.yahoo.com/travel/people-who-escaped-the-death-on-air-asia-106416418947.html

 

[IMO]

This also made me curious as to what percentage of passengers, on average, are no-shows for flights. On average it appears to be 10% in Canada (link below) and 12% in the US (link below). Taking into account the early hour of the flight and the possibility that 10 connected people were no-shows, this is probably not too worrisome. Nonetheless I am sure they are investigating it.


http://www.msci.memphis.edu/~linki/7118papers/Lawrence03Passenger.pdf

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/biztravel/2005-12-19-bump-usat_x.htm

 

[Dr. Know?]

Search for AirAsia QZ8501 to focus on three locations off east Belitung:

Officials Indonesian officials say the search for the missing plane will be focused around Pulau Momparang, Pulau Nangka and Pulau Lung, off east Belitung, Indonesia.

(Pulau Lung is where there are reports of fishermen seeing a plane go down, but nothing real official so I didn't post it)

Yes, shana, supposedly 10 members from the same family missed the flight due to not seeing an email update that the flight would leave sooner. Like 2 hours sooner, I believe.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news...=TWTCNA&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

[MsFacetious]

— Agence France-Presse (@AFP) December 29, 2014

#BREAKING AirAsia Flight #QZ8501 likely 'at bottom of sea': Indonesia search chief

http://www.theguardian.com/world/li...rch-for-missing-flight-resumes-at-first-light

Indonesia officials have struck an optimistic tone about the possibility of finding wreckage from QZ8501 - if indeed the plane crashed into the water. That’s partly because of the relatively shallow depth (46m) of the Java Sea, the part of the western Pacific Ocean where the aircraft vanished from radar screens.

In contrast, the faint Indian Ocean signals detected by the towed pinger locator in the search for MH370 were heard nearly 100 times deeper, at around 4,570m.

 

[nycgrl]

Has the Bermuda Triangle shifted or something?!

But in all seriousness, I feel so sorry for everyone involved. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but something hinky is going on out there. Too much of a coincidence in my book.

 

[MsFacetious]

From my colleague Kate Lamb:

An Indonesian Search and Rescue official has said it is likely QZ8501 is now on the sea floor.

“The last coordinates were in the sea so it is likely it is on the sea floor,” Chief Marshal Bambang Soelistyo told a press conference at Soekarno Hatta Airport, Jakarta, on Monday.

According to Bambang search and rescue authorities are using a sonar system to detect the missing plane.

“They have a sonar system, [the system] can detect to a depth of about 1000-2000 meters,” said Bambang.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/li...rch-for-missing-flight-resumes-at-first-light

 

[CARIIS]

It's very discouraging that a few hours of daylight have not shown anything anywhere. I understand about the choppy seas , etc. But one would think that a giant plane hitting the water and blowing apart would leave a debris field that someone would see one spot of. Dislike

I think when we hear search "resuming" it sounds like they are starting to look when in reality it means they are starting to meet and talk and reveiw data to start to figure out where to start sending resounrces, which then means the equipmemnt getting to the guessed spot several hours later.

That is just my notion tho, not really sure!

 

[Dr. Know?]

09.24AM: The search today will take place around Pulau Momparang and Pulau Nangka, Indonesian officials tell Channel NewsAsia. Fishermen are said to have heard a crash near Pulau Nangka - but the fisherman who said this has not been verified, while others say they saw a plane going down near Pulau Lung.

(that's good, more witnesses)

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/live-blog-missing-airasia/1554372.html

 

[Dr. Know?]

PerthNow ‏@perthnow · 7m7 minutes ago
Aviation expert queries why electronic locator transmitter did not activate on AirAsia jet: http://bit.ly/1tcC3lk

https://twitter.com/perthnow/status/549394305836929024

 

[SouthAussie]

I think when we hear search "resuming" it sounds like they are starting to look when in reality it means they are starting to meet and talk and reveiw data to start to figure out where to start sending resounrces, which then means the equipmemnt getting to the guessed spot several hours later.

That is just my notion tho, not really sure!

I agree. A limited amount of actual searching is actually happening yet. A Singapore boat that is heading there left early this morning .. on its 10-hour trip to the area. It takes time for the resources to get there ... and Indonesia only started accepting the offers of assistance later yesterday, shortly before it stopped the search for over 12 hours overnight.

 

[CARIIS]

Cnn, of course most of the aircraft is at the bottom of the sea. They are reporting it like searchers are expecting to see a A320 , in several pieces, 26 hours later on the top of the ocean. Searchers are not looking for a plane - they are looking for some debris, to indicate to the world that the aircraft crashed. There is a huge difference.

They are looking for a cup, a flight safety card, a body part etc - they are all hysterical now plane at bottom of sea - well I think most of us knew that no? Just waiting for an indicator that confirms a general area of impact solely to locaate black boxs

If it broke up in air - then it is gonna be harder to locate the black boxes tho.

Sometimes they are just silly --after 10 hours the whole thing is only about narrowing down balck box search area

 

[SCHMAE]

I think when we hear search "resuming" it sounds like they are starting to look when in reality it means they are starting to meet and talk and reveiw data to start to figure out where to start sending resounrces, which then means the equipmemnt getting to the guessed spot several hours later.

That is just my notion tho, not really sure!

I would have hoped all the meeting and putting ducks in a row to search would have been done in the darkness , while they had downtime and that at day break, they would be literally on the move . But what do I know ? Sad.

Is the searching near Belitung due to the previously mentioned wreckage reports ? Or is there some other data driving them to look there, I wonder?

 

[SouthAussie]

I would have hoped all the meeting and putting ducks in a row to search would have been done in the darkness , while they had downtime and that at day break, they would be literally on the move . But what do I know ? Sad.

Is the searching near Belitung due to the previously mentioned wreckage reports ? Or is there some other data driving them to look there, I wonder?

I think that is where it also fell off the radar.

Map here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ssing-with-162-passengers-onboard-latest.html

 

[branwynbreeze]

PerthNow ‏@perthnow · 7m7 minutes ago
Aviation expert queries why electronic locator transmitter did not activate on AirAsia jet: http://bit.ly/1tcC3lk

https://twitter.com/perthnow/status/549394305836929024

I had been wondering about that as it should have started upon impact.

 

[MsFacetious]

A commenter has raised a point about the confusing timeline around this incident. Just to be clear, the Indonesian acting director general of transportation, Djoko Murjatmodjo, told reporters on Sunday that the flight was last seen on Jakarta’s radar at 6:16am (Surabaya local time) and was gone one minute later.

What’s confusing the issue is that AirAsia, in its early statements, said that all contact was lost with the control tower over an hour later at 7:24am (Surabaya local time). They haven’t clarified this time. We’re going to try to get to the bottom of the discrepancy.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/li...rch-for-missing-flight-resumes-at-first-light