Revisit - Did CA/GA cover up 7-16-08

[RR0004]

I believe that CA/GA/LA all knew about Caylee's murder immediately if not soon after. They all thought the plan conceived would work, but KC didn't go along with it for one reason or another. Being pizzed, who knows.

But the actual coverup began the momentsw that envelope was opened, CA got pizzy with the tow charge and GA knew the tow yard guy smelled decomp as much as GA did.

THEY KNEW. CA texts KC to call her immediately, big problem. CA retrieves KC and the zanny-nanny story is implemented. CA makes 911 calls and no one pays attention to her -- boo-hoo. CA then goes into CA mode and cries about the smell in the car to grab the attention of the 911 operator. Betcha CA was in panic mode for about 48 hours wondering if the tow yard notified LE about the decomp odor. Finding out he didn't ...... surprise--surprise ...... decomp becomes molded and rotten, what 17 days in the hot Florida sun pizza :hand:

The rest is recorded history for all future law students.

Thanks..this answers a previous question of mine.

 

[RR0004]

ITA -- and this would explain where kc got her ability to create a reality and truly believe it.

Countzero, MAMABEAR, RR -- You all make excellent points disputing the validity of the 911 call and when the actual cover up began. I can see both sides of it. IMO, of course, the only realness we've seen from the A's were in between kc being brought home and the 911 call . . .

- Lee describing kc's obvious crumble with the slap of reality when she realized LE were coming and would demand to see Caylee

- CA's initial gut reaction of "What have you done!?!"

- CA telling GA "We've lost her, George, we've lost her!"

The 911 call was either the end of the realization, or the beginning of the cover up . . . . not that we'll ever know . . . .

Excellent points...we may never know.

PS- from the beginning, though, I never put much stock in anything LA had to say.

 

[MissJames]

This is also what I have trouble understanding. Obviously, Cindy was concerned with Caylee's welfare...she spoke to a counselor about it. How do you go 31 days without seeing your granddaughter? Not the best time to have pulled a power play.

Was it SP who said Cindy talked to a councelor? I now question even that.It's possible Cindy told her mom and co-workers that so she would look better kicking KC out of the house.The counclor told me I HAD to.
Or maybe SP agreed to not charge KC if Cindy would get help,so Cindy told her she had talked to a counselor.
Is there anything in the docs that substantiates the statement that Cindy had talked to a counselor?

 

[YellowSubmarine]

I believe that CA/GA/LA all knew about Caylee's murder immediately if not soon after. They all thought the plan conceived would work, but KC didn't go along with it for one reason or another. Being pizzed, who knows.

But the actual coverup began the momentsw that envelope was opened, CA got pizzy with the tow charge and GA knew the tow yard guy smelled decomp as much as GA did.

THEY KNEW. CA texts KC to call her immediately, big problem. CA retrieves KC and the zanny-nanny story is implemented. CA makes 911 calls and no one pays attention to her -- boo-hoo. CA then goes into CA mode and cries about the smell in the car to grab the attention of the 911 operator. Betcha CA was in panic mode for about 48 hours wondering if the tow yard notified LE about the decomp odor. Finding out he didn't ...... surprise--surprise ...... decomp becomes molded and rotten, what 17 days in the hot Florida sun pizza :hand:

The rest is recorded history for all future law students.

BBM --

This does fit in perfectly with something that's always bothered me. According to AH, when she took CA to kc, CA immediately told kc to get her things and leave with her. It doesn't seem she asked about Caylee's whereabouts at that time nor did she question if Caylee was at TL's. Since there would be a good chance Caylee would be with kc (in CA's mind), why would she assume/know she wasn't there?

Also, in line with that theory, CA spouting off to AH in the car about all kc's wrongdoings certainly seems unlike her, as she is all about her family appearing "perfect". Could this have been CA laying the ground work? Maybe at this point, she had no idea what kc has said or done, so she needs to start getting the word out about what a liar she is . . .

 

[MissJames]

BBM --

This does fit in perfectly with something that's always bothered me. According to AH, when she took CA to kc, CA immediately told kc to get her things and leave with her. It doesn't seem she asked about Caylee's whereabouts at that time nor did she question if Caylee was at TL's. Since there would be a good chance Caylee would be with kc (in CA's mind), why would she assume/know she wasn't there?

Also, in line with that theory, CA spouting off to AH in the car about all kc's wrongdoings certainly seems unlike her, as she is all about her family appearing "perfect". Could this have been CA laying the ground work? Maybe at this point, she had no idea what kc has said or done, so she needs to start getting the word out about what a liar she is . . .

IIRC Jesse said when he and Casey were dating Cindy was saying uncomplimentory things about KC. I think it was something about questioning Jessie about why he would even want to be with someone who hadn't even graduated from HS.
Leads me to believe the show was for Cindy's contemporaries and family,not KC's.She had no problem humiliating KC in front of her friends.

 

[MAMABEAR]

Excellent point RR. Its funny that some statements just go unchallenged in my mind until someone points out an inconsistency like this. Lee is the one that supposedly KC would confide in. Yet, as you pointed out, he could not reach her while she was gone from the house. He also did not get any information from her when he came by the house that night. All he got was more lies from KC.

Thats why I think he was called to the house to hold KC down if need be. He was the strong arm dude. The last fight CA and KC had must have been a good one. CA may have even been knocked out when KC left with the baby. Why would she have stayed at the house if they had a huge fight?

 

[MAMABEAR]

BBM --

This does fit in perfectly with something that's always bothered me. According to AH, when she took CA to kc, CA immediately told kc to get her things and leave with her. It doesn't seem she asked about Caylee's whereabouts at that time nor did she question if Caylee was at TL's. Since there would be a good chance Caylee would be with kc (in CA's mind), why would she assume/know she wasn't there?

Also, in line with that theory, CA spouting off to AH in the car about all kc's wrongdoings certainly seems unlike her, as she is all about her family appearing "perfect". Could this have been CA laying the ground work? Maybe at this point, she had no idea what kc has said or done, so she needs to start getting the word out about what a liar she is . . .

Why wouldn't, "Where is CAylee---get her out here NOW", be the first thang outta her mouth. Would be mine. "Go get the baby---shes coming home to". She knew that baby wasn't there---she smelled Caylee in the car---or may have even known she was dead, earlier. Getting KC was about the car being left unattended.

 

[tweety933]

Of course I am open minded to all theories and ideas. The only hesitation I have with "the 911 call wasn't real" is WHY would CA call then? No one outside the family would be missing Caylee. kc obviously kept her hidden for 31 days. So why call 911 and chance being found out?

IMO, she only called LE because she knew the towyard had smelled decomp. and George had discussed it with them.

 

[RR0004]

:clap: BBM: This is key to realizing what CA did. There was no urgency or desperatation on her part when she went to Gentiva and talked to her coworkers about the stench. If it had truly horrified and scared her, she wouldn't have been at Gentiva in the first place. I agree w/ everything you said. The towing changed everything. If not for that.......I've said it before, but IMO.......people act as they truly are. Leave out that we all screw up from time to time. But for something of this magnitude, the As acted from their character or lack thereof. Everything they did and did not do goes to their character. And forget that old refrain of *Nobody has been in our shoes, and until you are put here, you have no idea of how you would react*. Not a chance, Cindy. I think anyone who had a moral compass tuned to what is right and fair and decent would have done the right thing from the start. (Sorry for the broken record, but I loathe these people.)

I've been pretty much here from day 31 and I have to tell you I have never seen anything quite like it. With each interview, I kept waiting for something "normal" to be said. It never happened. Their involvement in some way, shape, or form would explain A LOT!

 

[RR0004]

BBM --

This does fit in perfectly with something that's always bothered me. According to AH, when she took CA to kc, CA immediately told kc to get her things and leave with her. It doesn't seem she asked about Caylee's whereabouts at that time nor did she question if Caylee was at TL's. Since there would be a good chance Caylee would be with kc (in CA's mind), why would she assume/know she wasn't there?

Also, in line with that theory, CA spouting off to AH in the car about all kc's wrongdoings certainly seems unlike her, as she is all about her family appearing "perfect". Could this have been CA laying the ground work? Maybe at this point, she had no idea what kc has said or done, so she needs to start getting the word out about what a liar she is . . .

Cindy also hid out of view so Casey couldn't immediately see her when Amy went to the door.

There's something very weird about all this. I know we have had time on our hands to re-read, re-watch, re-discuss...but it's been a while since I've felt this uneasy about Cindy and George's involvement.

 

[MissJames]

Cindy also hid out of view so Casey couldn't immediately see her when Amy went to the door.

There's something very weird about all this. I know we have had time on our hands to re-read, re-watch, re-discuss...but it's been a while since I've felt this uneasy about Cindy and George's involvement.

Sure wish we knew where LE and the SA stand concerning G and C.

 

[wonders]

I am wondering why the tow company didn't call LE when they first approached the car and could smell the decomp? Does anyone have any idea?

 

[countzero]

I am wondering why the tow company didn't call LE when they first approached the car and could smell the decomp? Does anyone have any idea?

With GA standing right there with him, and GA taking the car he no doubt just shrugged it off as a kid who kept a dirty car and an irritated set of parents.

Think about it. Two parents come in, one a loud mouth arguing female and the male just mumbling a story about not seeing his daughter or granddaughter. Then the smell and garbage in the truck portion of the car. He could have also been having a busy day and went about his work, just glad in some way that CA left and GA followed after.

Why would GA tell a total stranger about KC and Caylee missing for 31 days and going on about it then asking the guy if he smelled something bad? Laying out the ground work for the coverup ....... then blames the smell on the garbage and pizza box.

Whatever it was, the tow guy must have had lots of should haves thoughts when LE spoke with him. Poor guy, just another individual drawn into the fire by the A clan.

When will it stop?

 

[countzero]

Sure wish we knew where LE and the SA stand concerning G and C.

Waiting at the booking desk to book them an adjoining room :behindbar courtesy of the fine folks of Orange Co, Fla.

 

[Searchfortruth]

Waiting at the booking desk to book them an adjoining room :behindbar courtesy of the fine folks of Orange Co, Fla.

I hope you're right CZ, but sometimes I have doubts. I fear that they might get away with all the cover ups, lies... all they have to do is tell the "truth" on the witness stand (oh yeah, its the A's...they'll end up failing that test). Guess they will be going to :behindbar !

No one else would get away with the attempts to derail a murder investigation, they shouldn't either, IMO.

:behindbar:behindbar:behindbar

 

[Searchfortruth]

BBM --

This does fit in perfectly with something that's always bothered me. According to AH, when she took CA to kc, CA immediately told kc to get her things and leave with her. It doesn't seem she asked about Caylee's whereabouts at that time nor did she question if Caylee was at TL's. Since there would be a good chance Caylee would be with kc (in CA's mind), why would she assume/know she wasn't there?

Also, in line with that theory, CA spouting off to AH in the car about all kc's wrongdoings certainly seems unlike her, as she is all about her family appearing "perfect". Could this have been CA laying the ground work? Maybe at this point, she had no idea what kc has said or done, so she needs to start getting the word out about what a liar she is . . .

BBM.

This was another "red flag" I thought. LE noticed it too because they asked Tony, in one of his interviews, if Cindy was asking where Caylee was when she showed up that day...of course Tony said no, she wasn't. That would be the first question she should have been asking, if she really didn't know what was going on. BUT, she did know after she smelled that car.

The more I look back on everything, the clearer it is...Zenaida was a lie and Cindy knew it when she called 911. She has always known that there was no "nanny", "no money, no future, who is taking care of the angel now" ?

 

[Balthazar]

Personally, I think the PIs were brought into the mix (IIRC one even sought the As out) to take the spotlight OFF of Casey. Remember all the false sightings? At one point in time, they were going to bring forward someone from another state who supposedly had knowledge of "something". That never happened. This person supposedly had a photo...not sure if it was of Caylee or ZFG. Sorry, it was such a long time ago. But, I find their "information" suspect as well. Interesting to see D&A still associated with the As. Not sure what I make of that.

It was supposed to be a photo of ZFG that was in the possession of someone who was out of state. AS I recall, the defense team sent their PI or someone to get the photo. Of course the defense team is not telling us anything other than that their client is innocent, they are having to do the investigation the police should have done to begin with and that they see more and more evidence of Casey's innocence - all this from Baez and co. We don't know if they ever got the photo or what happened there. If they got anything, I guess we'll see it at the trial. Otherwise, it was just smoke and mirrors.

 

[Balthazar]

Was it SP who said Cindy talked to a councelor? I now question even that.It's possible Cindy told her mom and co-workers that so she would look better kicking KC out of the house.The counclor told me I HAD to.
Or maybe SP agreed to not charge KC if Cindy would get help,so Cindy told her she had talked to a counselor.
Is there anything in the docs that substantiates the statement that Cindy had talked to a counselor?

Look in the police interview with Cindy's work supervisor.

 

[MaedchenX]

It was supposed to be a photo of ZFG that was in the possession of someone who was out of state. AS I recall, the defense team sent their PI or someone to get the photo. Of course the defense team is not telling us anything other than that their client is innocent, they are having to do the investigation the police should have done to begin with and that they see more and more evidence of Casey's innocence - all this from Baez and co. We don't know if they ever got the photo or what happened there. If they got anything, I guess we'll see it at the trial. Otherwise, it was just smoke and mirrors.

Do you know something I do not regarding the police investigation into Casey's alleged version of what happened to Caylee? I am just curious as everything I have heard and seen indicates to me that LE followed up on all of Casey's allegations and found them to be false. One cannot find someone for whom there is no evidence of ever existing. As for the photo I cannot imagine how there could be any verification of who the image was of, unless of course our perfect 10 ZFG has her SS # tattooed across her forehead and they are able to present her in the courtroom.

 

[Balthazar]

BBM --

This does fit in perfectly with something that's always bothered me. According to AH, when she took CA to kc, CA immediately told kc to get her things and leave with her. It doesn't seem she asked about Caylee's whereabouts at that time nor did she question if Caylee was at TL's. Since there would be a good chance Caylee would be with kc (in CA's mind), why would she assume/know she wasn't there?

Also, in line with that theory, CA spouting off to AH in the car about all kc's wrongdoings certainly seems unlike her, as she is all about her family appearing "perfect". Could this have been CA laying the ground work? Maybe at this point, she had no idea what kc has said or done, so she needs to start getting the word out about what a liar she is . . .

You are mistaken. The first thing Cindy said to Casey at AL's on July 15, 2008 was "You're taking me to see Caylee." This was witnessed by AH

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2447600/Casey-Anthony-Amy-Huizenga-Interview-July-16-Released-Nov-06-08
page 19 is where AH describes what was said when she and Cindy reached AL's front door and Cindy first saw Casey.