Rita Tangredi, 31, and Colleen McNamee, 20, 1993-94 ** John Bittrolff ARRESTED **

[Mountain_Kat]

No - but that deer and possibly pig slaughtering paints an image in my mind. But who knows...

I live in a very rural area where hunting and raising animals for food is common practice. The animal doesn't just magically turn itself into a side of bacon or a steak and hop onto your plate. I doubt my friends and neighbors are serial killers simply because they process the animals they hunt or raise.

 

[fieldnotes]

I live in a very rural area where hunting and raising animals for food is common practice. The animal doesn't just magically turn itself into a side of bacon or a steak and hop onto your plate. I doubt my friends and neighbors are serial killers simply because they process the animals they hunt or raise.

Ahh ...but would you eat your neighbor's meat if you knew he was a serial killer?loll. Well see, be learning all about this guy for a while to come I guess. Sweet dreams all...

 

[ktgirl]

Wow!
Okay, maybe this guy isn't connected to GB4 but I really feel like he's surely connected to at least some of the Manorville victims. I wish the press would ask LE about his possible connections to them.

 

[Sigh Sister]

I agree with you on all points, NJGuy. And I'll add this...I'm fairly certain Bittrolff didn't find McNamee and Tangredi on craigslist. I think, if they were both prostitutes they were of the streetwalker variety. Fits with our 4 AC victims. I also see similarities between Bittrolff and the composite sketch provided in the AC murder case (take a second look at that sketch with fresh eyes). What really made me wonder about there being a connection to AC was something another WSer asked earlier this morning. She wondered how LE could state that specific clothing items were missing in the McNamee and Tangredi cases when all the reports clearly state that both bodies were found nude. Now, the obvious answer to that, at least in my mind, is that while the bodies were nude, the clothing was left nearby. But then I got to thinking...what specific item of clothing would stand out as missing? Something they almost certainly had worn that could not be found. Shoes.

Anyway...there are more similarities I could point out, but that's enough for now, I think.

BBM

He definitely didn't find them on craigslist:

"Craig Newmark began the service in 1995 as an email distribution list to friends, featuring local events in the San Francisco Bay Area, before becoming a web-based service in 1996 and expanding into other classified categories. It started expanding to other U.S. cities in 2000, and currently covers 50 countries"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craigslist

 

[LINative13]

Peter referred to them as being staged meaning being placed in spots to be found. Posed sounds more like moved around like a mannequin.

 

[Sistah Sleuth]

Peter referred to them as being staged meaning being placed in spots to be found. Posed sounds more like moved around like a mannequin.

Posing is a form of staging.

 

[topratedsleuth]

BBM

He definitely didn't find them on craigslist:

"Craig Newmark began the service in 1995 as an email distribution list to friends, featuring local events in the San Francisco Bay Area, before becoming a web-based service in 1996 and expanding into other classified categories. It started expanding to other U.S. cities in 2000, and currently covers 50 countries"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craigslist

Good point. And I'm not giving up on a GB4 connection; times changed between 1994 and 2009, and so did the way johns find prostitutes. SK's evolve as well - what was satisfying for an SK in 1994 might not do the trick for them in 2009.

 

[Really?]

we need to find out more about his work....when and where.

I'll try...

 

[Sistah Sleuth]

Good point. And I'm not giving up on a GB4 connection; times changed between 1994 and 2009, and so did the way johns find prostitutes. SK's evolve as well - what was satisfying for an SK in 1994 might not do the trick for them in 2009.

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I'm not giving up on AC connection. He owned a construction company. Who is to say he didn't have a job in the area for several months?

 

[NJGuy]

MK, you are correct in regard to the mutilation aspect, I had the victims confused at first. So that certainly lends more credence to tying the AC murders. I agree with you the sketch is somewhat comparable to JB. It's just there has been so much information and statements taken back and changed with AC and suspects, it's difficult to truly know what happened. One thing about AC is the Golden Key was in a what's know known as seedy party of town. It's on of the two main roads to get into AC, the other being the AC Expressway. My point is, whoever put the victims behind Golden Key knew his way around that part of the area, either staying there, or hanging there/partying there and associating with that type of crowd. Would love to know if there is anyone to show whether JB was in AC at any point. Guessing he wouldn't have stayed at the casinos either.

 

[Strmmrgrrl]

we need to find out more about his work....when and where.

I'll try...

Couldn't find any business certs on Suffolk County Clerks webpage but did find a judgement against one of his two business names and one against the brother's painting company. Would it be ok to post those here?

Correction

 

[LikeAHunter]

I also meant to add this: I watched the new conference twice, and don't recall Spota saying anything about mutilation, decapitation or dismemberment in either case. I heard him say strangulation and blunt force trauma. Unless I just missed that.

I linked to the Newsday article earlier. I quoted the passage that said SC was mutilated after death, but it was modsnipped because Newsday is a subscription site.

 

[fred&edna]

Posing, staging, positioning... not the same, so what are we talking about exactly?

I think I've watched too many videos and read too many posts and I'm getting confused. Did Spota use the word "posed" when speaking about Tangredi and McNamee? (I thought he did but now I'm not sure :thinking: )

Here he is talking about Sandra Costilla:

At approx 1:33 in video Spota says, "... the manner of death, the positioning of her body..."


http://longisland.news12.com/news/j...nty-cold-case-murders-1.8862858#autoplay=true

 

[LikeAHunter]

I live in a very rural area where hunting and raising animals for food is common practice. The animal doesn't just magically turn itself into a side of bacon or a steak and hop onto your plate. I doubt my friends and neighbors are serial killers simply because they process the animals they hunt or raise.

MK, you live in a rural area where that is common practice. Manorville is not a rural area and slaughtering your own pigs is not common practice. He doesn't have a farm; we're talking about slaughtering pigs in your backyard.

I understand and agree with what you're saying regarding food and someone having to butcher the animals we eat. But I think it needs to be taken into account that this is not common practice here in the NYC metro area.

 

[marble]

Raising and slaughtering his own pigs certainly would be cover for any bloodstains showing up on his clothing or possessions that his wife or kids may come across. They wouldn't think twice. Or, although it seems unlikely, maybe there is such a thing as a serial killer who stops after two or three victims and manages to turn his life around. It may within the realm of possibilities since BTK was able to stop for a number of years. There's also the case (the name and details escape me) of the SK who stopped killing after joining a cult of some sort and ended up confessing to the cult leader who then convinced him to turn himself in for absolution.

 

[EpiVox444]

You've just given two examples of serial killers who stopped, and there are more as well. So why say it's 'unlikely', when it does in fact happen? It's a myth that serial killers don't stop on their own volition.

 

[Tulessa]

Did he just have one or two pigs, or was it several? I'm asking, because this brings back memories of the Robert William Pickton case.

http://murderpedia.org/male.P/p/pickton-robert.htm

 

[giagreen]

I wanna know what dissimilarities are between gb4 and RT, CM are. I mean I'm not getting my hopes up that this is the killer of gb4 just because I don't wanna be let down. But there has to be something very particular about gb4 to make LE say that.

Other wise I don't see why he couldn't be. SK evolve. As far as we know RT and CM where his first kills and he liked how it made him feel. Leaving him more prepared to kill again. Able to have burlap ready. And everything set up.
I'd also like to point out that pig feed does come in burlap.

 

[Justiceforever]

I just watched the press conference. What does Spota say about an attempted rape charge? PS I think this is LISK because of how they are handling the situation....a very law & order ending with the familial dna match....

http://longisland.news12.com/multimedia/news-conference-on-arrest-in-2-cold-case-murders-1.8866466

BBMR: I don't think he's LISK. More importantly, neither does LE. He could, very well be The Manorville Butcher though! I think it's likely! The article Bessie posted said, it remains to be seen. That means LE hasn't definitively ruled him out right?

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Police tell News 12 Long Island say there is no evidence right now between the two murders and the bodies found at Gilgo Beach.

However, it remains unseen if six other bodies found in the Manorville area between 2000 and 2012 are connected.

As News 12 has reported, the bodies of three men and three women were found scattered throughout Manorville. Some were naked and partially dismembered.

http://longisland.news12.com/news/j...-2-suffolk-county-cold-case-murders-1.8862858

 

[giagreen]

BBMR: I don't think he's LISK. More importantly, neither does LE. He could, very well be The Manorville Butcher though! I think it's likely! The article Bessie posted said, it remains to be seen. That means LE hasn't definitively ruled him out right?

I'm just curious as to why only the Manorville butcher? Your defiantly not the only one to think this. But I'm curious as to why when his known victims where strangled. There has been some talk as to mutilation but I've heard nothing to them being dismembered.