Ron. C. #13

[LFlorida]

I thought CS said she called her Dad the morning Haleigh went missing, to go check, because he lived in Satsuma? :waitasec:

Well, relative to where Crystal and Marie lived, Johnnie was pretty close by.

I think that Georgetown is the only residence I ever found for him until he supposedly moved to Kentucky.

[I've never laid eyes on the man in my life, so I don't have anything more than y'all do.]

 

[elle1919]

I thought CS said she called her Dad the morning Haleigh went missing, to go check, because he lived in Satsuma? :waitasec:

Yes, Curve, that is what I remember as well, is Georgetown a street? I am lost. Crystal did say she called her dad after she received the phone call from Teresa, IIRC, her father told he he drove down but couldn't get close because the road was closed off. He saw all the police cars and such.

 

[LFlorida]

Thx, whisp. That's been nagging away at me for a very long time.

Now, consider our source(s) for the "FACT" that Haleigh was at school Monday.

The reasoning is a little strange as far as LE goes. If people didn't convince me that Haleigh was in school, I would think they were looking at her disappearing before Tuesday.

 

[debs]

Isn't that day the only day that's ambiguous as to whether she was there on her little school record?

Looks like it to me:

 

[LillieBelle]

I had never seen the time card before, very interesting. on Feb. 24th, a dot meaning present and on time... one error means who knows about the other days... and also, what an odd attendence record...not normal at all...

 

[doobiedoo52]

Yes, Curve, that is what I remember as well, is Georgetown a street? I am lost. Crystal did say she called her dad after she received the phone call from Teresa, IIRC, her father told he he drove down but couldn't get close because the road was closed off. He saw all the police cars and such.

Georgetown is 15 mi south of Satsuma. He was close by compared to the 2 hr drive for Crystal.

 

[atherella]

I am glad you added based on his statements at the hearing which were done to cast him in the best light possible. Remember RC did NOT take jr to the Dr as ordered in September. At the end of December, he made an appt the same day as the hearing.

He stood in that courtroom and blamed Crystal for not taking jr THAT day. She said she didn't want to miss the hearing. RC had over three months to schedule and he waited tilll that day and blamed Crystal for it not being done.

I don't think that some care to see the truth of what is going on here. CS is weak in voice and assertion. RC is a seasoned petitioneer in the courtroom. He took full advantage of it too. He blamed her AGAIN for not taking them. They were living together when the dr appts (12) were made, just in case you were not aware of that fact. Do we have any proof that indeed 12 appts were made or missed?

BBM

(First bold) Regarding the doctor appointment that Crystal did not take Junior to on December 27th, the date of the rescheduled court hearing- HOW was Ron to know that the hearing was going to be rescheduled on that date? IIRC, that appointment was with a specialist, a cardiologist. Those appointments are generally made MONTHS in advance.

The Court hearing for the 27th was scheduled only 2 weeks prior on December 13th after Crystal skipped (per Atty. Picazio) the first hearing.

So, it's not as if Ron knew there would be a hearing that day when he scheduled Junior's doctor appointment. The original hearing was scheduled on December 1st, 2005. That is the date that Ron probably avoided when scheduling the appointment. The 27th fell during Crystal's custodial time - why didn't SHE reschedule the doctor appointment? Or, alternatively, why not return Junior early and let Ron take Junior like he offered?

(Second bold) How do we know that there were really 12 doctor's visits missed? We have the court transcript. Ron entered into evidence an exhibit from the doctor showing the missed appointments.

From custody docs:

Ron submitted something into evidence. Crystal had a chance to review the evidence and did not object. She said she did miss the appointments. I would suggest that is the proof you requested.

 

[lil momma]

ok so it is 12 missed or rescheduled....so according to those transcripts we don't know if the appointments we rescheduled or they were missed

 

[doobiedoo52]

And according to the document section posted--all 12 appointments were between Feb 2004 and Sept 2005. Crystal left in Sept of 2005 and filed an injunction for protection at that time. So every one of the appointments missed was during the time they were still together. She had no drivers license until after she left--she was 20 when she got her license according to KP. Yes, the appointments were missed, but obviously RC knew she had no license when they were together and someone should have been lined up to drive her. I can't help but think equal blame here--JMO

 

[atherella]

And according to the document section posted--all 12 appointments were between Feb 2004 and Sept 2005. Crystal left in Sept of 2005 and filed an injunction for protection at that time. So every one of the appointments missed was during the time they were still together. She had no drivers license until after she left--she was 20 when she got her license according to KP. Yes, the appointments were missed, but obviously RC knew she had no license when they were together and someone should have been lined up to drive her. I can't help but think equal blame here--JMO

BBM

Further in the document, it says that Ron's grandmother was lined up to take her.

I'm curious why no one in Crystal's family volunteered to take her and the children to appointments why it only fell to the CUMMINGS family to arrange transportation? She has family in Putnam County - I wonder why none of them were able to help family? Crystal chose to be a stay-at-home mother. Part of a stay-at-home parent's job is getting the children to appointments.

The children were covered on Medicaid, I believe. Medicaid arranges transportation to appointments when rides are needed.

 

[Baznme]

BBM

Further in the document, it says that Ron's grandmother was lined up to take her.

I'm curious why no one in Crystal's family volunteered to take her and the children to appointments why it only fell to the CUMMINGS family to arrange transportation? She has family in Putnam County - I wonder why none of them were able to help family? Crystal chose to be a stay-at-home mother. Part of a stay-at-home parent's job is getting the children to appointments.

The children were covered on Medicaid, I believe. Medicaid arranges transportation to appointments when rides are needed.

That is correct Atherella. From this link:

http://www.advocacycenter.org/FactS...ess/Attachment_A_Practical_Self_Help_Info.pdf



Area Medicaid Offices
Area 3A: Alachua, Bradford, Columbia, Dixie, Gilchrist, Alachua Only 386-418-53XX
Hamilton, Lafayette, Levy, Putnam, Suwannee & Union - All Others 800-803-32XX
Medicaid Transportation Coordinators
Michael B.
386-418-53XX

 

[doobiedoo52]

Well, obviously none of us will ever know why she missed the appointments--if it's true GGS fell asleep at the wheel or whether Crystal just didn't want to go or a little of both. Hopefully, both of them have grown up somewhat in the 4-5 years since that occurred.

 

[Baznme]

Well, obviously none of us will ever know why she missed the appointments--if it's true GGS fell asleep at the wheel or whether Crystal just didn't want to go or a little of both. Hopefully, both of them have grown up somewhat in the 4-5 years since that occurred.

Just throwing this out there but, possibly for the same reasons she missed so many days of school.........irresponsible parenting.

 

[elle1919]

BBM

Further in the document, it says that Ron's grandmother was lined up to take her.

I'm curious why no one in Crystal's family volunteered to take her and the children to appointments why it only fell to the CUMMINGS family to arrange transportation? She has family in Putnam County - I wonder why none of them were able to help family? Crystal chose to be a stay-at-home mother. Part of a stay-at-home parent's job is getting the children to appointments.

The children were covered on Medicaid, I believe. Medicaid arranges transportation to appointments when rides are needed.

Bold by me, your question is a good one. My opinion, and this opinion has changed since reading new information in this case, If there is any truth at all about Crystal and her addiction( and I hate to say the word addiction because to me the word sounds like a death sentence) Dependency almost sounds better, but anyway I have to wonder if perhaps Crystal's family had decided that they were not going to enable Crystal any longer by saving her and fixing all her problems or coming to her rescue when her dependency had gotten in the way of her making responsible choices.

I say that with respect because I have no idea how Crystal ended up in the position she is in today. We all have our own stories, and I won't judge her. I spent a very tragic and painful two years, with my sister who I love unconditionally. I drove 30 miles just about everyday from my house to hers just to be able to make sure her babies were fed and safe. I cleaned her house and bought her groceries, I mean you name it...I covered it up. It took me that long to realize I was supporting and condoning her addiction. Once I learned that, it was all downhill thank God. Perhaps Crystal didn't have a problem at all but if she did, it could be the reason why no-one in her family was helping her. jmo

 

[doobiedoo52]

I don't know why no one in Crystal's family helped. Connie was probably working herself being a nurse, Marie lived over in Baker County, all her siblings were too young. I guess that just leaves her dad and Lord knows what his excuse was unless he was actually working also at the time.

 

[Whisperer]

OMG...how many people need to be involved in a dr appt. I say let's contain the people to those living in the home.

FWIW...RC didn't work very much, if at all, so constantly putting the blame on Crystal for everything is getting old.

Maybe she was in a post-partum depression. She had just given birth when all this was going on. I would expect the Granny or Ron to help out. This is just getting out of hand. He told the court this stuff to puff up himself. We don't even know if it was one appointment or 12....but I bet he exaggerated whatever the number was. As I said before he, himself, didn't even take jr when it was court ordered. He also blamed that one on Crystal.

 

[Whisperer]

These people were probably on state aid for everything. I have wasted way too much time on them, that is for sure. They are programmed for hand-outs....all of them.

RC has the responsibility and if CS was sick (for whatever reason) it is up to him. He has no shortage of excuses for why he never did his job but sure can place blame on the women in his life.

 

[Whisperer]

Isn't that day the only day that's ambiguous as to whether she was there on her little school record?

Looks like it to me:

Yep, on Monday, the 9th, it appears smudged....

 

[Whisperer]

This entire case makes more sense if Haleigh was not at school that day. I don't like the photocopy of the record at all. It definitely looks doctored. What a coincidence on the day she disappears the record appears smudged.

There is a possiblility that somebody received the offical school record and smudged it. I know there are legitimate conincidences but not with crime, imo.

I would like to know what the excuse was for haleigh being absent two days in the previous week.

 

[Whisperer]

Yep, on Monday, the 9th, it appears smudged....

It also appears that somebody typed in the totals with explanation at the bottom. What gives this away is the added and typed in "AND ON TIME" to the record. The entire record is carboned and then it looks like the bottom part was typed in later and done to explain the E's, U's and T's...

I have never seen a school record say that. It is not protocol at all as there is a place for tardy. It appears someone was trying to make a case for the public as to hom many days she showed up on time. I don't like what I am seeing here. The type is different also. I will leave room for error on my part buy I am sharing my impressions. My impression is a doctored / amended school record.

Sure wish we could get some legitimate facts. Is it a fact that the bus driver and teacher were interviewed right away or did they have to do some recalling backwards. We have never heard them interviewed either. In stranger abductions we hear these people right away. LE knew for certain this was no abduction..imo.