Ron C. #4

[texasmommy39]

So Crystal has friends and family in Satsuma.

 

[Glassgirl]

I think you're right. I just lost my first grandchild, at 17+ weeks. I wouldn't be taking punches at that child's mother. I'd want the best for that child. I'd want the child to know that both parents were the best people they could be. And I would move heaven and hell to get that child out of a bad situation, irregardless of who they were living with. Going to leave now for the nights. Slap my mods, if you must.

I am so very sorry for your loss.
My most sincere sympathies to you and your family.

 

[passionflower]

I think you're right. I just lost my first grandchild, at 17+ weeks. I wouldn't be taking punches at that child's mother. I'd want the best for that child. I'd want the child to know that both parents were the best people they could be. And I would move heaven and hell to get that child out of a bad situation, irregardless of who they were living with. Going to leave now for the nights. Slap my mods, if you must.

I'm so sorry to hear this, blessings

 

[SeriouslySearching]

For those who may have missed today's article:

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"We're not frustrated. We're trying to stay positive. We have to," Putnam County Sheriff's Office Lt. Johnny Greenwood told WJXT-TV. "We are still conducting interviews with people that's names have turned up during the other investigations. I really can't go into the names of those people at this time, but we are currently conducting interviews with people as we speak," Greenwood said. "We are hopeful. That's what we have -- hope."

But the girl's disappearance continues to puzzle investigators and the community.In the 44 days that have passed since Haleigh's disappearance, local, state and federal investigators along with volunteers have searched for answers both inside and outside Putnam County.

Detectives have questioned dozens of witnesses, including Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, and her mother, Crystal Sheffield. Cumming's new wife, Misty -- the person to last see Haleigh -- has undergone hours of interviews and several polygraph tests.

Article:
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19008243/detail.html (Bolded by me)

 

[TotallyObsessed]

For those who may have missed today's article:

<snipped>
"We're not frustrated. We're trying to stay positive. We have to," Putnam County Sheriff's Office Lt. Johnny Greenwood told WJXT-TV. "We are still conducting interviews with people that's names have turned up during the other investigations. I really can't go into the names of those people at this time, but we are currently conducting interviews with people as we speak," Greenwood said. "We are hopeful. That's what we have -- hope."

But the girl's disappearance continues to puzzle investigators and the community.In the 44 days that have passed since Haleigh's disappearance, local, state and federal investigators along with volunteers have searched for answers both inside and outside Putnam County.

Detectives have questioned dozens of witnesses, including Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, and her mother, Crystal Sheffield. Cumming's new wife, Misty -- the person to last see Haleigh -- has undergone hours of interviews and several polygraph tests.
Article:
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19008243/detail.html (Bolded by me)

Is is commom for someone to have to undergo "several" polygraphs???

 

[Tichad3]

Is is commom for someone to have to undergo "several" polygraphs???

I don't know if it's all that common, but I can understand it in certain circumstances. Some people repeatedly get "inconclusive" results. That can be from any number of things from natural anxiety, depression, heart murmurs things like that.

Sorry I was off topic but thought I'd answer the question.

 

[kiki the parrot]

I think how they respond to stress in a public manner is indicative of how they handle stress in private, and as we have seen over and over, Ron has anger boiling underneath, and it often comes out as belligerent and cocky answers. "Man, get outta my face!" "I don't care, I ain't afraid of jail, I'll kill the $#%$#" "I'll take my gun and shoot the #@$# through the back window of the police car." (These are paraphrased but close.) Ron's response is verbally violent. Words matter. When in a stressful situation, a person relies on that which gets him through his day under normal circumstances. Ron's first line of defense is to be very very verbally violent with comments of physical violence. While that does not mean he would actually DO any of these things, it's what he says he will do.

Is it understandable that a man would want to rip the head off a perp who harmed his child? Absolutely. Would one expect that man would say something like that to the police? Well, it made my eyebrows raise. If it is bluster, so be it. But how Ron acts in a heightened state of stress publically is exactly how he'd act in a stressful domestic issue. Of that, I can be sure. People don't change. We rely on what we know to get us through our stress. Imagining how a young woman or small children would respond to that kind of bluster leaves a very very disturbing image in my head.

ITA Appreciate fully your point--tho you misunderstood mine I think in context of to what I was responding. Many seemed to be suggesting because Ron hasn't fully lost control or unleashed rage in public he therefore would be incapable of violence or abuse privately. Perhaps it would've been clearer had I phrased it instead that the self-control exhibited in public--w LE and media all around--by a person who is abusive will naturally be far greater than when in the domain of his home. Or conversely that the extent of an abusive person's private aggression or violence capability is nowhere near limited to the aggression seen displayed publically. I was trying to be cautious in how I worded (and still managed to offend someone?). I agree w your point about his words tho as out of the abundance of his heart a man speaks. My point is still tho that while even words can give us a glimpse into a person's true nature, we have never witnessed "exactly" the behavior, quite the full extent or violence capability of an abusive person in a public state of anger or stress as in their private state of frustration or anger w/no LE or cameras to capture. If we're talking about a violence prone individual I believe it will be consistent w menacing threats made even publically--multiplied a thousandfold. HTH JMO

arrot:

 

[SeriouslySearching]

ITA Appreciate fully your point--tho you misunderstood mine I think in context of to what I was responding. Many seemed to be suggesting because Ron hasn't fully lost control or unleashed rage in public he therefore would be incapable of violence or abuse privately. Perhaps it would've been clearer had I phrased it instead that the self-control exhibited in public--w LE and media all around--by a person who is abusive will naturally be far greater than when in the domain of his home. Or conversely that the extent of an abusive person's private aggression or violence capability is nowhere near limited to the aggression seen displayed publically. I was trying to be cautious in how I worded (and still managed to offend someone?). I agree w your point about his words tho as out of the abundance of his heart a man speaks. My point is still tho that while even words can give us a glimpse into a person's true nature, we have never witnessed "exactly" the behavior, quite the full extent or violence capability of an abusive person in a public state of anger or stress as in their private state of frustration or anger w/no LE or cameras to capture. If we're talking about a violence prone individual I believe it will be consistent w menacing threats made even publically--multiplied a thousandfold. HTH JMO

arrot:

Originally posted by Kiki the parrot: Expressions or words are never as reliable an indicator of a person's character as their actions.

Doesn't this conflict with the post you made on the other thread?! :waitasec:

 

[kiki the parrot]

Doesn't this conflict with the post you made on the other thread?! :waitasec:

Not at all. In one instance I was agreeing that when we hear a person's raw emotion while under extreme duress--ie angry threats pouring out while in public--if provoked or angered in private we could expect if anything less self-control. In the other reference, I was pointing out that words and facial expressions are more easily manipulated than the course of a person's conduct or actions. The two do not conflict. SS and Tichad I think you'll find a person is consistent in their opinions when they are consistent in their principles. You can drag my quotes from another forum or even from another site if you care to, I don't mind JMO
arrot:

 

[Donjeta]

It's pretty hard to fake facial expressions. It can be done well enough to fool people who aren't paying attention and also some of those who are, but often there are slight differences, such as different facial muscles being used when the expression is involuntary and when it's voluntarily controlled.

 

[kikid]

But how Ron acts in a heightened state of stress publically is exactly how he'd act in a stressful domestic issue. Of that, I can be sure. People don't change. We rely on what we know to get us through our stress. Imagining how a young woman or small children would respond to that kind of bluster leaves a very very disturbing image in my head.

I can give firsthand info about how an abusive parent and/or abusive spouse (I've had both) acts publicly.... they act as though they are not abusive. Abusers never (unless under the influence of alcohol or drugs) abuse openly for the world to see. It is always in secret, behind closed doors, and always inflicted upon those who cannot defend themselves.

Both my mother and my spouse had a very likable public persona, and I can truly say that people (teachers, neighbors) would not have believed me had I told them what went on in our home. Problem was that the person everyone else knew wasn't what/who they truly were.

 

[stilettos]

I would imagine to piss her off. It could be because of this on going custody issue or she is taking punches in regards to Crystal's mudslinging.

Such a fine upstanding behavior of Motherhood and Grandmother to children. Can we agree that vindictive hurtful behavior is not considered a good modeling of socially appropriate behavior for the children.

 

[stilettos]

I think how they respond to stress in a public manner is indicative of how they handle stress in private, and as we have seen over and over, Ron has anger boiling underneath, and it often comes out as belligerent and cocky answers. "Man, get outta my face!" "I don't care, I ain't afraid of jail, I'll kill the $#%$#" "I'll take my gun and shoot the #@$# through the back window of the police car." (These are paraphrased but close.) Ron's response is verbally violent. Words matter. When in a stressful situation, a person relies on that which gets him through his day under normal circumstances. Ron's first line of defense is to be very very verbally violent with comments of physical violence. While that does not mean he would actually DO any of these things, it's what he says he will do.

Is it understandable that a man would want to rip the head off a perp who harmed his child? Absolutely. Would one expect that man would say something like that to the police? Well, it made my eyebrows raise. If it is bluster, so be it. But how Ron acts in a heightened state of stress publically is exactly how he'd act in a stressful domestic issue. Of that, I can be sure. People don't change. We rely on what we know to get us through our stress. Imagining how a young woman or small children would respond to that kind of bluster leaves a very very disturbing image in my head.

So a rapist in a stressful situation in public becomes angry and curses. This means if I understand your post that he doesn't go and violently beat and rape women in a desire for power and control when he is enraged. Because he didn't exhibit that behavior when angered in public??? Incongruent. The dynamics of physical violence against women is way more complex than most know and it is a "hidden" secret crime.

 

[Donjeta]

I understood it as people who frequently make verbal threats of violence are at least somewhat more likely to act violently in certain situations, because the words that come out of their mouth tell us that violent solutions are in their mindframe, so to speak. They may not necessarily do it, some people are just talk, but they're certainly thinking about it a lot, and acting out might follow.

 

[texasmommy39]

Such a fine upstanding behavior of Motherhood and Grandmother to children. Can we agree that vindictive hurtful behavior is not considered a good modeling of socially appropriate behavior for the children.

She must have her reasons.
I don't know how we all can argue over these peoples odd behavior. They all act in a different way than most I am sure in regards to a lot of things. My concern is not them but Haleigh. My interest here is not to read the next found juicy piece off rumor but accumulating the known facts that are available in regards to the abduction. We can all speculate the events that took place when, who, what, where, but with out the facts we are not going to be of help. Now as to who is lying, who has Haleigh or who hurt or killed Haleigh we are going to be the last to know LE will be first. I thought we would be able to determine the truth with all the brilliant minds here but bias sleuth is not going to be successful.

 

[stilettos]

She must have her reasons.
I don't know how we all can argue over these peoples odd behavior. They all act in a different way than most I am sure in regards to a lot of things. My concern is not them but Haleigh. My interest here is not to read the next found juicy piece off rumor but accumulating the known facts that are available in regards to the abduction. We can all speculate the events that took place when, who, what, where, but with out the facts we are not going to be of help. Now as to who is lying, who has Haleigh or who hurt or killed Haleigh we are going to be the last to know LE will be first. I thought we would be able to determine the truth with all the brilliant minds here but bias sleuth is not going to be successful.

I am looking at the pieces of information as we get them, from whoever puts it out there. The info i posted about has come forward and is being discussed just as Rc and MC and Crystal and both sets of GP's are because they are all the enviornment that Haleigh lived in and around. As LE does with witnesses and information sources, they investigate the backround of the person to help point to the veracity or lack of such. I am looking at statements and behaviors that told me to believe notsomuch that comes from the person in question, a vendetta may take precidence over the truth. AND it is hardly a good example for either child. That is also in question with the custody placement issue regarding JR and haleigh if she is returned. It is after all the best interests of both children that are most important. Or is it the best interests of Rc and family that rule?

 

[texasmommy39]

I am looking at the pieces of information as we get them, from whoever puts it out there. The info i posted about has come forward and is being discussed just as Rc and MC and Crystal and both sets of GP's are because they are all the enviornment that Haleigh lived in and around. As LE does with witnesses and information sources, they investigate the backround of the person to help point to the veracity or lack of such. I am looking at statements and behaviors that told me to believe notsomuch that comes from the person in question, a vendetta may take precidence over the truth. AND it is hardly a good example for either child. That is also in question with the custody placement issue regarding JR and haleigh if she is returned. It is after all the best interests of both children that are most important. Or is it the best interests of Rc and family that rule?

I am sincerely sorry.
I never imagined I would be arguing with adults over opinions. I am sure we can both come together and look at the evidence and determine (W/ speculation) the probabilities. I know it seems I show up and have an opinion, but in my defence it has been formed with the investigative work done here. It may not be the majorities opinion, but I am not one to take flight because there is a bumpy road.

 

[zadari]

I understood it as people who frequently make verbal threats of violence are at least somewhat more likely to act violently in certain situations, because the words that come out of their mouth tell us that violent solutions are in their mindframe, so to speak. They may not necessarily do it, some people are just talk, but they're certainly thinking about it a lot, and acting out might follow.

i unfortunatly have met quite a few people over my time just like this .. so i agree

 

[sunflowerchick]

She must have her reasons.
I don't know how we all can argue over these peoples odd behavior. They all act in a different way than most I am sure in regards to a lot of things. My concern is not them but Haleigh. My interest here is not to read the next found juicy piece off rumor but accumulating the known facts that are available in regards to the abduction. We can all speculate the events that took place when, who, what, where, but with out the facts we are not going to be of help. Now as to who is lying, who has Haleigh or who hurt or killed Haleigh we are going to be the last to know LE will be first. I thought we would be able to determine the truth with all the brilliant minds here but bias sleuth is not going to be successful.

:clap: I have been so frustrated with all of the gossiping on this case... I admit that I think it is because there is so little information to go on. We are grasping at straws. lol

 

[Whisperer]

The only fact we have is Haleigh is gone. When, where and how have not been determined. The father states he was not home when she vanished. The babysitter says she was sleeping in the room with Haleigh when she vanished. Neither have been cleared of involvement in her disappearance.

We have no forensics. There are no solid witnesses for character and proof that Ron had never left his job site. No coworkers, teachers, pastors, anyone of high moral character has made a statement. We could speculate about this story till the cows come home, but till these two individuals are cleared, there is no place else to go. My attention is focused on Ron and Misty....hasn't changed since day one. Until they are cleared, that is where I will remain.