Ronald Cummings Knows Where Haleigh Is: Needs $35,000 to get her back safe.

[sleutherontheside]

The only thing that I consider to be certain in this case..........No one has been 100% forthcoming with info and EVERYONE has something to hide.* Sadly, their efforts to preserve their reputation are hindering the case.* They are ALL scared and fail to recognize that their actions or lack thereof put this child in harms way.* TM called the bluff and that's the only way to filter out the good from the bad.* I can't help but wonder if this case would have progressed differently had all of us not been privvy to the sordid details and they not been worried about what people thought of them.*

 

[Baznme]

Here is my problem with the $35K thing. If it were true that RC needed $35K to pay off a kidnapper in order to get Haleigh back, safe and sound, he would have told LE and LE would have come up with the money secretly and put the swap in play a long time ago.

Further, if RC knew who the identity of the kidnapper/ransomer, all he had to do was tell LE and Haleigh would be home.

To me it sounds like a huge miscommunication/misunderstanding among the players.

Further this check written to RC is just foolish. Tell me any situation where the kidnapper releases the ransomed person and then waits for a check to be cashed. So, here's a check but first go get Haleigh and then you can have the check to cash and go pay the ransomers?

TM knows this. It's the bluff to stop the shenigans and get the info out there on what has really happened to this baby. Nevertheless, the check is real, now let's see if what RC has claimed is also real.
BS. It is just nonsense to write a check even if you think the conversations between RC/HC and HC/TM went down exactly as reported.

I believe TM knows this. He just wants the shanigans to stop so the baby can be found, once and for all. Nevertheless, the money is real. There's just no way for RC to continue the claims he has been making. Message: the money is real now let's see if RC's claims are also real.

 

[tiredblondy]

There is no doubt that there is something going on. We do not know all the info and probably that's a good thing. I think many of us have felt our hinky meters go off since the beginning. The best news I heard is that LE is bringing in new people. I hope that these new people will secure all their info so there are no leaks to family members or the public. Not only is it a good idea to have fresh eyes but it is also essential to confidentiality and continuity. All this is my opinion only but there is so much more to this case than we may ever know until a trial... that is IF things ever progress that far. I just pray that someday we see that beautiful smile again and soon!

 

[tiredblondy]

The only thing that I consider to be certain in this case..........No one has been 100% forthcoming with info and EVERYONE has something to hide.* Sadly, their efforts to preserve their reputation are hindering the case.* They are ALL scared and fail to recognize that their actions or lack thereof put this child in harms way.* TM called the bluff and that's the only way to filter out the good from the bad.* I can't help but wonder if this case would have progressed differently had all of us not been privvy to the sordid details and they not been worried about what people thought of them.*

Sleuther,I so agree. I just want to add if drugs are involved I'm sure people are worried about more than what people think of them.(MOO)

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Ok, trying to think differently here. If Hank Sr. flat-out lied to Tim about what Ron said, would Ron's attorney have had more to say than just "misinformation?" I don't know, just thinking out loud here.

I didn't say Ronald didn't say something about $35,000, but I think Hank Sr. put a spin on it. I haven't heard the message from Hank Sr. yet tho. I think Ronald believed at one point that in order for Tim and TES to stay the first time would cost that amount. If Hank Sr. presented it in any other way, I would say he lied.

 

[MaedchenX]

Originally Posted by badme102 View Post
Well, since you are talking about Ron not saying this to Tim, it looks like Ron's attorney admitted Ron in fact did say it to Hank Sr.

Here's the story...

Lance: Did Ronald tell Misty's father that if he had $35,000, he'd be able to bring haleigh home?

Shoemaker: I would deny that Ronald ever told misty’s father that. The story is complicated but Ronald has a friend who has this little four year old girl and this came up in our fdle conversation yesterday. Ronald was talking to the girl and the girl said she talks to Haleigh and he asked her what Haleigh tells her. She responded saying that she told her is that she is being kept by a guy named Larry. What Ronald said to Misty’s dad is that if we knew who Larry was and 35 thousand dollars then we could get her back. Ronald doesn’t have any idea who has Haleigh and if he had a million dollars wouldn’t know what to do with it to get her back.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5138635.php

Pulled from the other thread.

So, there is a little 4yr old girl who talks to Haleigh and says she is being kept by a man named Larry, ok then. Why does "Larry" need 35,000? What an odd amount to come up with for a hypothetical ransom. Dare I ask for an explanation?

 

[debs]

Pulled from the other thread.

So, there is a little 4yr old girl who talks to Haleigh and says she is being kept by a man named Larry, ok then. Why does "Larry" need 35,000? What an odd amount to come up with for a hypothetical ransom. Dare I ask for an explanation?

The more important point is that in the space of a few seconds, the lawyer denies Ronald ever told him that, then in fact gives a statement where Ronald does in fact say exactly that.

I am getting very sick of the games these people are playing.

 

[Maven2379]

The more important point is that in the space of a few seconds, the lawyer denies Ronald ever told him that, then in fact gives a statement where Ronald does in fact say exactly that.

I am getting very sick of the games these people are playing.

:clap::clap::clap:

 

[azwriter]

I'm readin' through this thread with my mouth wide open saying, Huh?
And enjoying tehcloser's clever posts.
However, what comes to my mind is suppose $35,000 could bring Haleigh home unharmed, would she be returned to Ron and Misty? Especially with all that has gone on in the investigation - would LE place Haleigh back into the arms of the people who let her down.
Maybe I'm jumping ahead, but I wonder. What do you think?

 

[Whisperer]

Lawyer uses the word, "Misinformation"'.

Misinformation = information given erroneously but not with intention.

Interpretation = Ron lied.

 

[Whisperer]

I have an idea on who this four year old girl is...maybe I should go to the rumors thread with that though.

 

[Whisperer]

This entire thing about the money isn't relevant and RC said it but was talking out of the side of his mouth..........again.

 

[evelyn24]

It is both heartening and frightening how quickly folks will pick up and believe any statement from anyone and run with it as theories or evidence. In much the same way that there still seems to be a disturbing large number of people that seem to think that there is in fact a "Zanny the Nanny" over in KC land, some are listening to all of this and not seeing the common and self serving element.

The only person to have stated that Haley could come home of Ron would put up $35k is MISTY'S FATHER. Hardly a disinterested party in deflecting attention from his daughter. This is misdirection. Smoke and mirrors to build doubt now or raise other made up theories in order to get the blaring spotlight off LE attention off of his daughter.

It's obvious TM saw it for what it is, and is calling the bluff. If he seems to be acting a little more blunt and harsh about this sort of thing recently, good for him. He is there to serve the missing child. Not the assorted family members under a cloud of suspicion. I am sure his experiences in the Anthony case have taught him some rather painful lessons, which he is applying to this case.

SEE POST #66 of this thread

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[scandi]

"Misinformation" is still rather mild and vague term to me considering the circumstances; If there were nothing to it at all, why not say that it is an outright lie, or "THAT IS NOT TRUE." Say it in some unequivocal manner.

Agreed Kant, especially when a specific dollar amount has been mentioned and not challanged! Plum odd I think. xox

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Pulled from the other thread.

So, there is a little 4yr old girl who talks to Haleigh and says she is being kept by a man named Larry, ok then. Why does "Larry" need 35,000? What an odd amount to come up with for a hypothetical ransom. Dare I ask for an explanation?

Here is the explanation of where the total possibly came from of $35,000, imo.

Everyone's plea appeared to be directed at someone holding Haleigh enough that I questioned if they had gotten a ransom demand and it was the real reason for the press conference. I thought perhaps the large amount put up was because they were sending a message to a person with the kidnappers..."See this money! This will be your money if you give them up and come forward with information! And there will never be ransom paid so this is all you get!". Now how much was that reward for again?

ETA: The check was for $8,490 from the Justice Coalition which brought the total of the reward up to...drum roll please...$35,000!!

Press Conference which was more like a funeral, imo. It was very odd.:

http://www.wesh.com/video/18901816/index.html

They even had a printed piece of paper with $35,000.00 in huge black letters and nothing else to make the point.

 

[DotsEyes]

Hank's phone message:

"Hey, Tim, this is Misty’s daddy, Hank. I wish you’d give me a call, cause uh, you know I thought you was, uh, you know our friend and trying to help my daughter, but it seems to me you’re trying to set my daughter up.

And, another thing you need to know that Ronald, and I got witnesses, that Ronald said if he had $35,000, he could get his daughter back, so you need to be putting Ronald under hypnosis and make everything fair. I thought you were a friend but apparently you’re not."

Sounds like something Hank heard long before TM came down this second time. It would make sense as I assume that after Family Fist-Fight Night that RC and Hank don't chat much anymore. But I don't see RC himself told this to TM.

 

[DotsEyes]

I have an idea on who this four year old girl is...maybe I should go to the rumors thread with that though.

Yes, please.

 

[Adrienne37]

I'm really sorry but Hank Croslin's credibility is about nil in my opinion. Let's see, he made the call to TM on 8/29 which was about 6 days ago. Okay, the family, including Hank Croslin, had a major fight on 8/7. Somehow, I don't see RC and HC socializing anytime after the fight on 8/7 so I really choose to believe that this information is bogus and made up to take the heat off of his daughter. All of this is completely ridiculous. While I know there is virtually no chance at all that Haleigh is still alive, there is a very very slim chance, and I think all parties concerned, TM including, need to consider that fact and keep this stuff out of the media so as not to endanger her welfare and well being any more than it already is. Anyway, that's just my opinion.

 

[awakewriter]

"Misinformation" is still rather mild and vague term to me considering the circumstances; If there were nothing to it at all, why not say that it is an outright lie, or "THAT IS NOT TRUE." Say it in some unequivocal manner.

Jeez. "Misinformation" reminds me of "mistruths."

Throw in a script, and we have ourselves a new branch of the As.

 

[kikid]

Hank's phone message:

"Hey, Tim, this is Misty’s daddy, Hank. I wish you’d give me a call, cause uh, you know I thought you was, uh, you know our friend and trying to help my daughter, but it seems to me you’re trying to set my daughter up.

And, another thing you need to know that Ronald, and I got witnesses, that Ronald said if he had $35,000, he could get his daughter back, so you need to be putting Ronald under hypnosis and make everything fair. I thought you were a friend but apparently you’re not."

Sounds like something Hank heard long before TM came down this second time. It would make sense as I assume that after Family Fist-Fight Night that RC and Hank don't chat much anymore. But I don't see RC himself told this to TM.

this sounds to me like a dad who suspects his daughter is covering for someone, someone who he thinks may sell her out and let her take the fall..... and so he's trying to shift things with this message, or in some way let others know what he suspects is going on. I doubt he said this because he's mad about the fight so much as mad that his dingy daughter is going to the wall for HER MAN. of course, just MOO