SC - Columbia - Sheriff Slams Female Student to Floor In Class

[bluesneakers]

Everyone is not versed in what kind of physical restraints are used. I'm frankly a little surprised that pain points were acceptable and what should have been used. I have a son who is in ju jitsu, and he can take down someone twice his size if needed by pressing on pain points, but I was surprised to learn that was seen as more acceptable in classroom discipline than just yanking her up by the neck, frankly.

No one, not even the sheriff, disagreed with his decision - and the admin's, to use physical restraint on this student to remove her. The teacher and admin just simply don't have access to what is protocol for the take-down.

The sheriff agreed with his actions but fired him anyway? I'm sorry but that doesn't make sense.


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[JeannaT]

What? I don't understand your point.
I don't think using pain compliance on a student who refuses to do classwork is acceptable.

I don't either - but from what I understand, that's what the sheriff said would be the thing to do, rather than pulling her out by her leg and neck.

 

[vestigare]

The sheriff agreed with his actions but fired him anyway? I'm sorry but that doesn't make sense.


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Not only did the Sheriff not agree but he was also but thrilled with his deputy being called for an admin situation.

 

[al66pine]

http://www.policemisconduct.net/2010-q3-national-police-misconduct-statistical-report/
(see Figure 10)

https://www.thenation.com/article/police-violence-we-arent-talking-about/

http://www.newsweek.com/police-sexual-assault-rape-justice-258130

Thanks for providing links to support your stmt --- LEO's 'higher rate' of sexual assaults than gen pop.

First link supports that for 2010, Q3.
Did study also reflect - LEOs' SAs > gen pop - for other 2010 quarters or years?

Seems 2nd and 3rd links refer to that same study.
Prospect link refers to Cato Inst's "informal effort" to review LE sexual assaults in reported in news stories weekly.

Not dismissing LEO SAs as inconsequential.
I'm just seeing LEOs SAs >gen pop for 2010, Q3 only, not as annual nationwide pattern.

Going to reread links to digest and think. Thx again, as you often bring serious points to light (for me anyway).

 

[vestigare]

I don't either - but from what I understand, that's what the sheriff said would be the thing to do, rather than pulling her out by her leg and neck.

Jn
Actually he said that was one part of training but that throwing a student across.the room was never part of training.

That is.not exactly.the same as saying he should have used pain complaince.

Although he might think he shpuld have I just don't know from.that one answer he gave.

 

[Woodland]

The sheriff agreed with his actions but fired him anyway? I'm sorry but that doesn't make sense.


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While I like what Lott did - he is looking a little foolish for walking both sides of the fence imo. I'm reading (from him) I have to fire this officer, so someone has to go down with him. Yet he is going to change/tighten up the criteria for officer response to classrooms. He wavers on the actual events as well imo.

 

[monkey222]

Slightly off topic, but when I was in 2nd grade, Catholic grade school, the nuns tied my classmate to his chair with rope because he was goofing around, not listening. So he was tied to chair, hands bound to chair which was attached to desk, all one unit. I believe he was left there during recess..I remember telling my Mom after school..and she got mad because he would have been trapped if there was a fire. Ahhh, back when life was simple :rotfl:

 

[JeannaT]

The sheriff agreed with his actions but fired him anyway? I'm sorry but that doesn't make sense.


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No. The sheriff didn't agree with his take-down method, but agreed the student should have been forcefully removed from the classroom.

I'm a little surprised that's not clear from my post.

 

[bluesneakers]

While I like what Lott did - he is looking a little foolish for walking both sides of the fence imo. I'm reading (from him) I have to fire this officer, so someone has to go down with him. Yet he is going to change/tighten up the criteria for officer response to classrooms. He wavers on the actual events as well imo.

And there's still the mysterious video out there.


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[vestigare]

I think he responded so quickly and fired him because he didn't want protests and such.. plus it is on tape and clearly not policy.

I agree he seems confused.though on exactly what crime was being committed and it doesn't help.that the law is so ambiguous.

He also has washed his hands of it by handing the case over.to the FBI.

While I like what Lott did - he is looking a little foolish for walking both sides of the fence imo. I'm reading (from him) I have to fire this officer, so someone has to go down with him. Yet he is going to change/tighten up the criteria for officer response to classrooms. He wavers on the actual events as well imo.

 

[Woodland]

The sheriff made it clear that both the admin and the teacher, and the majority of students agreed with what the RO did.

Did Lott interview the majority of students? Will believe that when a majority of students say he did.

Some here agree with what Fields did as well - some don't. Fields is no longer an employee of that LE district due his actions and his actions alone. Lott is straddling the fence - he might fall off altogether imo.

 

[bluesneakers]

No. The sheriff didn't agree with his take-down method, but agreed the student should have been forcefully removed from the classroom.

I'm a little surprised that's not clear from my post.

Nope. To me this reads like the sheriff agreed with what he did.

The sheriff made it clear that both the admin and the teacher, and the majority of students agreed with what the RO did.

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[vestigare]

And there's still the mysterious video out there.


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What he said at the presser it seems this other video shows nothing new but maybe a Better angle of the student hitting the officer. But he didn't claim the hit came prior to the officer placing his hands on her. So I still don't know what it will show.

I think it would Good for the school to video all admin situation themselves.

 

[JeannaT]

While I like what Lott did - he is looking a little foolish for walking both sides of the fence imo. I'm reading (from him) I have to fire this officer, so someone has to go down with him. Yet he is going to change/tighten up the criteria for officer response to classrooms. He wavers on the actual events as well imo.

The problem here, is this isn't a simple right/wrong scenario, as few in life are. This is very nuanced. This story has a LOT of moving parts.

The girl was wrong and needed to be removed physically. The officer, in removing her physically, used a method not taught or sanctioned by the sheriff's department. So he's been fired. And in all this, Lott's having thoughts about how best to use law enforcement in the classroom as a result of this incident. It's nuanced. He IS on both sides of the fence. The girl isn't off the hook for her behavior, just because the cop misbehaved. It's really not a tidy, neat story that can be wrapped up with there, we've got rid of the cop.

 

[vestigare]

Why did the girl need to be removed?

The problem here, is this isn't a simple right/wrong scenario, as few in life are. This is very nuanced. This story has a LOT of moving parts.

The girl was wrong and needed to be removed physically. The officer, in removing her physically, used a method not taught or sanctioned by the sheriff's department. So he's been fired. And in all this, he's having thoughts about how best to use law enforcement in the classroom as a result of this incident. It's nuanced. He IS on both sides of the fence. The girl isn't off the hook for her behavior, just because the cop misbehaved. It's really not a tidy, neat story that can be wrapped up with there, we've got rid of the cop.

 

[JeannaT]

Nope. To me this reads like the sheriff agreed with what he did.


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No. It says the teacher, admin and most of the students agreed with what the RO did. In saying that, you can't say so therefore, because the sheriff mentioned this fact, it shows the sheriff agreed too with what the RO did. This sheriff is transparent as glass, which is his goal. He's giving the facts. The fact is, admin, the teacher, and most of the students though the RO was in the right. The sheriff does not, as the technique used is not one sanctioned and taught, and in fact, the video makes the sheriff "sick to his stomach". For him to note that others see it differently points to his basic honesty in reporting the situation.

 

[JeannaT]

Why did the girl need to be removed?

I wasn't there. The admin, teacher, and sheriff believe she needed to be removed and so the RO was instructed to do so.

 

[Woodland]

The problem here, is this isn't a simple right/wrong scenario, as few in life are. This is very nuanced. This story has a LOT of moving parts.

The girl was wrong and needed to be removed physically. The officer, in removing her physically, used a method not taught or sanctioned by the sheriff's department. So he's been fired. And in all this, Lott's having thoughts about how best to use law enforcement in the classroom as a result of this incident. It's nuanced. He IS on both sides of the fence. The girl isn't off the hook for her behavior, just because the cop misbehaved. It's really not a tidy, neat story that can be wrapped up with there, we've got rid of the cop.

Bolded and underline by me.

You don't know that - and neither does anyone else. It's been said - which doesn't make it so and repeating it will not make it so.

 

[vestigare]

I wasn't there. The admin, teacher, and sheriff believe she needed to be removed and so the RO was instructed to do so.

In you opinion based on what you know why do think the girl needed to be removed?

Because you really can't say the RO did anything right if he had no authority to remove her to begin with. You can't say the girl was wrong and disturbing schools if you don't know what she was doing.

 

[vestigare]

I thought it confusing that the Sheriff said citizens should record police doing things and was thankful there was video of this, however, the video was captured on cellphones which is the very item that prompted this entire fiasco....