SC - Columbia - Sheriff Slams Female Student to Floor In Class

[JeannaT]

Wth? Of course every child has constitutional rights. Even the Sheriff reiterated that today. Children may have limited rights to certain things like freedom of speech is limited in a school setting but they still have first amendment rights. A child might fall under restrctions based on age as outlined by law but they still have.rights.

How can you.even suggest they do not?
And in pretty much.every state a 16 year old can choose.to leave school.
And considering I graduAted and was in college at 17 I think I had rights.

In Texas, if you're enrolled in school, and you don't attend, you'll be dragged into court for truancy. It's a crime. And your parents will also be charged with the crime of having a child who is truant.

 

[vestigare]

United States law. Children are generally afforded the basic rights embodied by the Constitution and in particular the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution.

Children are guaranteed equal protection under the law and every child is entitled to the same treatment at the hands of authority regardless of race, gender, disability, or religion. Children are also entitled to due process, which includes notice and a hearing, before any of their basic rights are taken away by the government.

 

[vestigare]

In Texas, if you're enrolled in school, and you don't attend, you'll be dragged into court for truancy. It's a crime. And your parents will also be charged with the crime of having a child who is truant.

Well I would challenge that law as I graduated a month after turning 17. What would they do? Force me attend senior year again until I was 18?

What a ridiculous law. My state is 16.

 

[JeannaT]

United States law. Children are generally afforded the basic rights embodied by the Constitution and in particular the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution.

Children are guaranteed equal protection under the law and every child is entitled to the same treatment at the hands of authority regardless of race, gender, disability, or religion. Children are also entitled to due process, which includes notice and a hearing, before any of their basic rights are taken away by the government.

Tell that to a child who wants to walk off campus and return home for lunch. It's not true. An adult can decide not to live with family and go strike out on their own. Tell that to an 8 year old who might like to rent an apartment.

It's simply not true that children have adult rights. They just don't. They don't have the right to vote, the right to smoke, the right to drink, the right to sign contracts, the right to live where they want. They are wards of adults.

 

[vestigare]

My point all day had been there is no right to call LE for something like this. That isn't a right.

Maybe I should just give up on this thread. No one is reading what I am saying. What I am saying (you might not read or understand it) is that the admin, and the teacher had the right to call for RO to come escort the child out of the room. They didn't retain the right to touch the child, although they are in loco parentis they can't touch the child as a parent can, so they called the only person who could touch her and he assaulted her, despite their expectations.

I do understand the desire to gang up and pretend not to understand what I've been saying all day. Seriously.

 

[JeannaT]

Well I would challenge that law as I graduated a month after turning 17. What would they do? Force me attend senior year again until I was 18?

What a ridiculous law. My state is 16.

No, vestigare. If you graduate, you graduate. No one is going to make you attend school after you graduate. Is anyone at all reading what I'm saying?

 

[EllieBee]

Wth? Of course every child has constitutional rights. Even the Sheriff reiterated that today. Children may have limited rights to certain things like freedom of speech is limited in a school setting but they still have first amendment rights. A child might fall under restrctions based on age as outlined by law but they still have.rights.

How can you.even suggest they do not?
And in pretty much.every state a 16 year old can choose.to leave school.
And considering I graduAted and was in college at 17 I think I had rights.

I was in college at 17, also.

In hindsight.....huge mistake lol. Or at least I should have gone somewhere close to home.

Again, I was afforded respect and decency for my adolescent missteps.

Came in the dorm after curfew? Mandatory front desk hours. Nobody beat the hell out of me.

Parked in restricted parking? Had a boot put on my car. Nobody beat the hell outof me.

Drank underage at a frat party? Got put on academic warning. Nobody beat the hell out of me.

And from all of these incidents, I learned responsibility. Not because it was beat into me. But because I suffered from the (non-violent) consequences of my poor judgement.

 

[krkrjx]

Maybe I should just give up on this thread. No one is reading what I am saying. What I am saying (you might not read or understand it) is that the admin, and the teacher had the right to call for RO to come escort the child out of the room. They didn't retain the right to touch the child, although they are in loco parentis they can't touch the child as a parent can, so they called the only person who could touch her and he assaulted her, despite their expectations.

I do understand the desire to gang up and pretend not to understand what I've been saying all day. Seriously.

I have little doubt that they had the right but in my view having the right to do something does not necessarily make it the right thing to do. In this particular situation, I think they were wrong in involving LEO, even if they had it as a recourse.

 

[vestigare]

You clearly dont understand age limitations in the US constitution.
The age of majority only exists for voting rights. So 18 is not a constitutional threshold for rights. Drinking is 21. Public office is even older.

Rights are rights but can be limited by certain qualifiers. The courts have said over and over and over children have equal protection.

Tell that to a child who wants to walk off campus and return home for lunch. It's not true. An adult can decide not to live with family and go strike out on their own. Tell that to an 8 year old who might like to rent an apartment.

It's simply not true that children have adult rights. They just don't. They don't have the right to vote, the right to smoke, the right to drink, the right to sign contracts, the right to live where they want. They are wards of adults.

 

[EllieBee]

Tell that to a child who wants to walk off campus and return home for lunch. It's not true. An adult can decide not to live with family and go strike out on their own. Tell that to an 8 year old who might like to rent an apartment.

It's simply not true that children have adult rights. They just don't. They don't have the right to vote, the right to smoke, the right to drink, the right to sign contracts, the right to live where they want. They are wards of adults.

Children have a right not to be beaten, raped, sold into servitude, starved, neglected or murdered.

Children are human beings and as such are entitled to the Rights afforded all people. Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. And all the amendments passed since 1789. Children are not lesser beings.

 

[JeannaT]

You clearly dont understand age limitations in the US constitution.
The age of majority only exists for voting rights. So 18 is not a constitutional threshold for rights. Drinking is 21. Public office is even older.

Rights are rights but can be limited by certain qualifiers. The courts have said over and over and over children have equal protection.

So you're saying that a child at 15 has a right to say I want to live on my own, and not be subject to my parents or another foster guardian?

Children do NOT have equal protection of rights. They have equal protection of law - you can't set them on fire, you can't kill them, you can't cut their legs off, etc., but they do NOT have equal rights to self-determination. Period. They do not. They are subject to the rules of their adult guardians. Which include teachers, in loco parentis.

 

[EllieBee]

You clearly dont understand age limitations in the US constitution.
The age of majority only exists for voting rights. So 18 is not a constitutional threshold for rights. Drinking is 21. Public office is even older.

Rights are rights but can be limited by certain qualifiers. The courts have said over and over and over children have equal protection.

I was sorta tryin' ta say what you said, only yours came out better.

 

[JeannaT]

Children have a right not to be beaten, raped, sold into servitude, starved, neglected or murdered.

Children are human beings and as such are entitled to the Rights afforded all people. Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. And all the amendments passed since 1789. Children are not lesser beings.

Yes, they are "lesser beings" with respect to rights. They don't have the right to self-determination. They don't have the right to strike out on their own and be free of adults who are their conservators. They do not have adult rights. If a 12 year old's parents say you're taking ballet classes, sorry chick, you're taking ballet classes.

 

[EllieBee]

So you're saying that a child at 15 has a right to say I want to live on my own, and not be subject to my parents or another foster guardian?

Children do NOT have equal protection of rights. They have equal protection of law - you can't set them on fire, you can't kill them, you can't cut their legs off, etc., but they do NOT have equal rights to self-determination. Period. They do not. They are subject to the rules of their adult guardians. Which include teachers, in loco parentis.

Children have a right not to be beaten for non-violent actions. Same as you and I.

 

[JeannaT]

Children have a right not to be beaten for non-violent actions. Same as you and I.

Ya I know. I think I said that about 30 times in this thread.

 

[vestigare]

Do you understand what qualifiers are?
The age of majority for individual rights varies by right and judges can choose to disregard certain qualifiers.

15 year olds have been granted legal emancipation from their parents.

You said children have no.rights. I didn't say it.
Children have rights. I never said they had them all as clearly the constitution has age qualifiers for many.rights even an 18 year old cant fully.enjoy.

So you're saying that a child at 15 has a right to say I want to live on my own, and not be subject to my parents or another foster guardian?

Children do NOT have equal protection of rights. They have equal protection of law - you can't set them on fire, you can't kill them, you can't cut their legs off, etc., but they do NOT have equal rights to self-determination. Period. They do not. They are subject to the rules of their adult guardians. Which include teachers, in loco parentis.

 

[JeannaT]

Do you understand what qualifiers are?
The age of majority for individual rights varies by right and judges can choose to disregard certain qualifiers.

15 year olds have been granted legal emancipation from their parents.

You said children have no.rights. I didn't say it.
Children have rights. I never said they had them all as clearly the constitution has age qualifiers for many.rights even an 18 year old cant fully.enjoy.

Goodnight. I give up.

 

[vestigare]

Not necessarily true as a child can legally petition a court.

Yes, they are "lesser beings" with respect to rights. They don't have the right to self-determination. They don't have the right to strike out on their own and be free of adults who are their conservators. They do not have adult rights. If a 12 year old's parents say you're taking ballet classes, sorry chick, you're taking ballet classes.

 

[Montjoy]

This is a very important point. No, school children don't have constitutional rights. If they did, they'd be allowed to come and go freely, leaving school when they felt like it, walking around the classroom at will.

That's like saying employees don't have constitutional rights because while at work they can't come and go as they please, or say whatever they wish.

 

[sorrell skye]

Yes, they are "lesser beings" with respect to rights. They don't have the right to self-determination. They don't have the right to strike out on their own and be free of adults who are their conservators. They do not have adult rights. If a 12 year old's parents say you're taking ballet classes, sorry chick, you're taking ballet classes.

A parent telling a child that they must take ballet classes has NOTHING whatsoever to do with whether or not a school-age child should be subjected to a violent assault by an SRO for refusing to leave a classroom.

This discussion has NOTHING to do with whether or not a school-age child has adult rights.

This discussion is about whether or not a school-age child should be violently assaulted for refusing to leave a classroom.