SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 - #11

[carbuff]

IMO, this is the basis for the lie because this is the only fact I have seen. "The older man told police he hasn’t seen the victim since October, and then admitted to speaking with Heather Elvis the previous night, the report continued." Within this statement though, there are so many unknowns to go off of did he only saw this because his wife was there, did this all happen in one interview or over time, did someone else make the call and he is protecting them (yes he is still lying) or something else. I think presuming guilt on this detail is a lot because one doesn't know the circumstances. Do I think it looks bad? Yes. Just looking at all sides, plus this is a poorly written article, so I try not to take every thing it says at true value.

It's possible that he didn't lie at all. If he said, "I haven't seen her since October, but we text back and forth a couple of times a week," he would not be lying and the article wouldn't be really wrong, just slanted to make him look really bad.

 

[margarita25]

The police need probable cause to search a house. What constitutes probable cause can vary from case to case but can be established through circumstantial evidence.

Question: re: probable cause, would being the last one to engage in cellphone activity with the victim be considered "probable cause"?

 

[Nugget]

Totally agree with you

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Ditto!

 

[paris_paris]

I believe there are other players who know what happened to Heather, and I believe one, or some of those players are now talking.

I also believe we will have some answers soon, and that we'll actually be able to talk about them.

Just moo

 

[lovinlife83]

Please don't flame me.. but I am starting to question my perception of Heather's relationship with her family . No doubt, her family loves Heather dearly..but I am not convinced some normal adult child/parent conflict was going on.

1) When Heather was first reported missing..pictures of her tatoos were not released. Her tatoos are very noticeable and are more an indentifying feature than describing her hair color, height, or even what clothes she was last seen in.
2) The most recent picture of Heather was the picture from the date and pictures posted on her FB on Dec 8th. Yet the pictures on her flyers, FHE page and those used on Nancy Grace , Heather looks younger, thinner... I don't understand why they would not use the most recent pictures.

When others have said the image of Heather the family has portrayed to the public does not match with the person Heather appeared to be through SM posts, tatoos, workplace etc.. I dismissed it. Now I am not sure if the parent's description of Heather was based on who Heather truly is or the Heather they wanted the public to see. I do not mean to sound cruel.. but Heather reminds me a lot of one of my daughters..a bit on the rebellious side. Nothing against TK or House of Blue establishments, or tattoos ( my husband has 6, 3 of my daughters have at least one tatoo )..but it reminds me of the tales of a preacher's daughter rebelling against rules and expectations. Not that there is anything wrong with that..all children rebel against their parents, stretch the limits, try new things to proclaim their independance. But Heather's choice of employment and the size and location of the tatoo on her arm..strike me as more of making a strong statement ..sort of like " in your face " statement. I'm an adult , you can't tell me what to do type thing..

does all that make sense ?

Makes perfect sense, and that's along the same lines of what I meant when I said it seems like she was going for "shock factor" in her sm posts. Many of the girls I know who grew up in a super conservative household go a little wild during their college years. I don't think her twitter posts should be taken too literally, if you saw some of those same posts from a comedian you were following, most wouldn't question it. Also, on twitter lots of kids are trying to get as many followers as they can, so they say ridiculous things in order to appear "cool".
I know on some of the pictures on Nancy grace, people were commenting that some were only a month or two old- we don't have any proof of that but I can tell you that what I look like at a party vs. at work vs. no make up are drastically different and you wouldn't recognize me either if you didn't know me.

Also, noticed she was talking about death and missing a specific person, did she have a hs bf or friend that died?

IMO, of course


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[NewYork625]

Please don't flame me.. but I am starting to question my perception of Heather's relationship with her family . No doubt, her family loves Heather dearly..but I am not convinced some normal adult child/parent conflict was going on.

1) When Heather was first reported missing..pictures of her tatoos were not released. Her tatoos are very noticeable and are more an indentifying feature than describing her hair color, height, or even what clothes she was last seen in.
2) The most recent picture of Heather was the picture from the date and pictures posted on her FB on Dec 8th. Yet the pictures on her flyers, FHE page and those used on Nancy Grace , Heather looks younger, thinner... I don't understand why they would not use the most recent pictures.

When others have said the image of Heather the family has portrayed to the public does not match with the person Heather appeared to be through SM posts, tatoos, workplace etc.. I dismissed it. Now I am not sure if the parent's description of Heather was based on who Heather truly is or the Heather they wanted the public to see. I do not mean to sound cruel.. but Heather reminds me a lot of one of my daughters..a bit on the rebellious side. Nothing against TK or House of Blue establishments, or tattoos ( my husband has 6, 3 of my daughters have at least one tatoo )..but it reminds me of the tales of a preacher's daughter rebelling against rules and expectations. Not that there is anything wrong with that..all children rebel against their parents, stretch the limits, try new things to proclaim their independance. But Heather's choice of employment and the size and location of the tatoo on her arm..strike me as more of making a strong statement ..sort of like " in your face " statement. I'm an adult , you can't tell me what to do type thing..

does all that make sense ?

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I know from experience that sometimes free-spirited parents can have free-spirited children too. My sister is such a person, and her daughters have piercings, tattoos, etc. not because they are rebelling, but because they are free to do so without criticism, and are imitating the styles/latest fashion trends of their contemporaries.

 

[lovinlife83]

I believe there are other players who know what happened to Heather, and I believe one, or some of those players are now talking.

I also believe we will have some answers soon, and that we'll actually be able to talk about them.

Just moo

God I hope you're right!


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[bestill]

Regarding the conflicting photo's and info about HE being circulated. The selective information the family presented may have been to throw the perp off. It obviously angered some folks that wanted Heather presented in the worst light. It may have also given the perp a sense of security, because they really don't know what LE knows, and considering the little info from LE - they may feel they are safer than they really are.

 

[lovinlife83]

So to get the pr from the incident that Salem is referencing that took place last Sunday, how does one do that? I know it's available because of the foia, but can they fax/email it or do you have to physically go to hcpd to request it? Anyone done this before?


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[Ski1987]

Throughout these threads there are many comments that suggest that the reason LE has been so quiet and have not released much information or asked for help is that they know a lot more than they are saying and they are waiting for someone to slip up or make a mistake. Many seem confident that an arrest will come in time, perhaps waiting to find a body. I truly hope that they are close to solving this case, and finding Heather, and if applicable, making arrests.

My question is whether there is a strong foundation for this confidence. Has there been other cases where they have been silent and then an arrest has been made? Or are they always tight with information and this is how they routinely handle cases? Do they have an overall strong track record for solving these type of cases? I am not local, so I do not know if they even get many of these cases.

Having 2 brothers in LE, I have a tremendous amount of respect for LE and am not questioning their competency at all. I am just wondering if they have the bandwidth and resources to solve this case. I know budget cuts in many municipalities have really put a strain on many local government agencies. Is this the case in Horry County? If they don't have the resources, I hope they ask for help from other agencies.

 

[carbuff]

Makes perfect sense, and that's along the same lines of what I meant when I said it seems like she was going for "shock factor" in her sm posts. Many of the girls I know who grew up in a super conservative household go a little wild during their college years. I don't think her twitter posts should be taken too literally, if you saw some of those same posts from a comedian you were following, most wouldn't question it. Also, on twitter lots of kids are trying to get as many followers as they can, so they say ridiculous things in order to appear "cool".
I know on some of the pictures on Nancy grace, people were commenting that some were only a month or two old- we don't have any proof of that but I can tell you that what I look like at a party vs. at work vs. no make up are drastically different and you wouldn't recognize me either if you didn't know me.

Also, noticed she was talking about death and missing a specific person, did she have a hs bf or friend that died?

IMO, of course


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That's part of what makes me think she might have left on her own. Her social media left me with the impression she was putting on a bold rebellious face that wasn't entirely her, but on the other hand the good girl she had to be at home wasn't entirely her, either. I remember when I was that age, I felt like there was a whole world of potential that I couldn't even begin to explore in my backwater home town. I had to get out. I didn't have to cut ties to my family to do it, but then my family is pretty open and supportive. I get the impression HE might have felt her family was too strict and controlling and she was going to be stuck in Socastee forever.

If she did, I don't think she intended to stay out of contact, but with all the hoopla, she might be too embarrassed to contact them, or too afraid they'd make her come back home.

I want to emphasize that I don't think anybody was doing anything wrong. Families clash and individuals have irreconcilable differences that aren't anybody's fault, and I remember when I was her age, how terrible and permanent situations seemed, and how desperate I felt. Like only drastic options were available. Yes, even suicide seemed preferable to going on the way I was.

 

[floridamomma]

In looking thru the pictures I can see quite a few different tatoos-
would it be all right to accumulate them as a reference point since they are distinguishing features? including locations?
that way pics of them could be posted along with all the other info at the start of the new pages?
I do realize her parents might not like them I believe it's important to have distinguishing features for reference
also I believe most tatoos have a meaning-guess you don't just go to a tattoo shop and just say give me one!
someone else (bad memory) even mentioned a tatoo parlor as an investigating factor. Since I've seen at least 4 maybe they were all done by the same shop?

didn't someone mention they were henna?

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[lovinlife83]

There was a "henna?" On something, maybe pr - can't remember. The tats on her Instagram/twitter seem to be the same for long timespans so I doubt it. That would be a great myth buster to look at though!


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[CarolinaAsh]

There was a "henna?" On something, maybe pr - can't remember. The tats on her Instagram/twitter seem to be the same for long timespans so I doubt it. That would be a great myth buster to look at though!


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I know at least 3 aren't henna. Unless she keeps getting them redone. The star (left arm), turtle (hip) and skull (thigh) she had when she worked with my dad a year and a half or so ago.

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[OldSteve]

I wouldn't read too much into social media stuff..
anyone familiar with 15 year old Sierra Lamar's tumblr account can see a good example..

 

[jellybeanz]

I believe there are other players who know what happened to Heather, and I believe one, or some of those players are now talking.

I also believe we will have some answers soon, and that we'll actually be able to talk about them.

Just moo

What makes you believe all this?

 

[Topcat]

It's possible that he didn't lie at all. If he said, "I haven't seen her since October, but we text back and forth a couple of times a week," he would not be lying and the article wouldn't be really wrong, just slanted to make him look really bad.

The conversation between the LE and OM could have gone like
LE: When was the last time you saw HE
OM:I haven't seen her since October
LE: Well we have information you talked to her recently
OM: well I talked to her last night and told her to stop calling me

of course the rest of the conversation would help us in regards to how long they remained in contact .[modsnip] and when,why , where did you meet and of course what happened..

 

[EmmaRose]

That's part of what makes me think she might have left on her own. Her social media left me with the impression she was putting on a bold rebellious face that wasn't entirely her, but on the other hand the good girl she had to be at home wasn't entirely her, either. I remember when I was that age, I felt like there was a whole world of potential that I couldn't even begin to explore in my backwater home town. I had to get out. I didn't have to cut ties to my family to do it, but then my family is pretty open and supportive. I get the impression HE might have felt her family was too strict and controlling and she was going to be stuck in Socastee forever.

If she did, I don't think she intended to stay out of contact, but with all the hoopla, she might be too embarrassed to contact them, or too afraid they'd make her come back home.

I want to emphasize that I don't think anybody was doing anything wrong. Families clash and individuals have irreconcilable differences that aren't anybody's fault, and I remember when I was her age, how terrible and permanent situations seemed, and how desperate I felt. Like only drastic options were available. Yes, even suicide seemed preferable to going on the way I was.

I respect your honesty and openness. So glad you weathered the storm. And I agree that life can seem very confusing and scary at that particular age. I enjoy your contributions to Heather's threads. I hope together we can all make a difference.

 

[Salem]

In looking thru the pictures I can see quite a few different tatoos-
would it be all right to accumulate them as a reference point since they are distinguishing features? including locations?
that way pics of them could be posted along with all the other info at the start of the new pages?
I do realize her parents might not like them I believe it's important to have distinguishing features for reference
also I believe most tatoos have a meaning-guess you don't just go to a tattoo shop and just say give me one!
someone else (bad memory) even mentioned a tatoo parlor as an investigating factor. Since I've seen at least 4 maybe they were all done by the same shop?

You can do this, but all pictures have to be linked to their original source for copyright reasons. As long as you can make that work, this is fine.

Salem

 

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