SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 #22 **ARREST**

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Thanks LadySunday - that's not going to work. I have never seen the pay phone confirmed by MSM/LE. Yes - it would be important as to the surveillance, if it is true, but we don't know that. Also, if it is true, there may be a reason by LE has not released the info? I don't know. But... for now it is rumor and we are not going to hang our hats on it, because it might not be true.

I'm going to remove the discussion. If anyone does find something in MSM, please link it and alert so the Mods will know.

Thanks!

Salem
 
Thanks LadySunday - that's not going to work. I have never seen the pay phone confirmed by MSM/LE. Yes - it would be important as to the surveillance, if it is true, but we don't know that. Also, if it is true, there may be a reason by LE has not released the info? I don't know. But... for now it is rumor and we are not going to hang our hats on it, because it might not be true.

I'm going to remove the discussion. If anyone does find something in MSM, please link it and alert so the Mods will know.

Thanks!

Salem
 
Thanks LadySunday - that's not going to work. I have never seen the pay phone confirmed by MSM/LE. Yes - it would be important as to the surveillance, if it is true, but we don't know that. Also, if it is true, there may be a reason by LE has not released the info? I don't know. But... for now it is rumor and we are not going to hang our hats on it, because it might not be true.

I'm going to remove the discussion. If anyone does find something in MSM, please link it and alert so the Mods will know.

Thanks!

Salem

No problem! Sorry I cannot find something better.
 
I was a little shocked myself; that was my first time looking at her Tumblr account. I'm afraid that the defense may use this account to try and poison the minds of a jury, if it goes to trial.

Or if she is not found, they could try to use it to show she is liable to have run away...her twitter talks about being "bored easily" and wishing she was elsewhere at times...JMO (like everyone but still...defense attorneys)
 
Or if she is not found, they could try to use it to show she is liable to have run away...her twitter talks about being "bored easily" and wishing she was elsewhere at times...JMO (like everyone but still...defense attorneys)

Since Heather's not here to corroberate that evidence, can they still use it? I'm asking from a legal perspective...she's not here to confirm or deny that was even her posting anything...
 
This is great! Thanks for laying it out. Made me think that one thing we really need is a detailed timeline based on what's been released. ( no, I'm not volunteering, I'm on a tablet God help me!)

I tried to start one (really detailed, with everything concrete that's been released, dates and websites, all organized), and I got mixed up so fast. There are so many different articles where statements have changed over time, and there are so many different threads here. And now I'm just about to move. :/ If I get more time, I'll start working on it again. I do think it'd be really helpful.

What was that I just looked out. Very sick. Did that belong to HE? Was she in any of those pctures? ty

should say looked at not out.

Yeah, we should specify very NSFW before posting that link. Yes, that's her tumblr, but no, Heather is not in any of those photos. Tumblr is kind of known for photos/GIFs like that in that they're totally allowed (while they wouldn't be on Facebook, for example) so they make the rounds. But honestly, that's not that abnormal for a 20-year-old. It doesn't come across as "sick" to me -- it's just probably not something that should be looked at without being prepared because, obviously, not everyone wants to see stuff like that.
 
I was a little shocked myself; that was my first time looking at her Tumblr account. I'm afraid that the defense may use this account to try and poison the minds of a jury, if it goes to trial.

I was shocked as well but still if I were a juror in the trial, the tumbler acct would not be a factor in the trial- after all, she was murdered .
 
What was that I just looked out. Very sick. Did that belong to HE? Was she in any of those pctures? ty

should say looked at not out.

I just looked at this Tumblr stuff for the first time -

Has this been confirmed as HE's account?
 
I just looked at this Tumblr stuff for the first time -

Has this been confirmed as HE's account?

Do you mean the Twitter account? The postings? Here is the Tumbler acct. but I don't know which ones she herself wrote.
Does anyone else know? There are many names, and mostly poetry here.

Is she "The 24th of January?".....because HE was born on June 30th.

[modsnip]
 
Ugh, NG should know better...she said she does not believe Heather is dead or that SM had a relationship with Heather...she is telling this to her parents, and going on about the "open marriage" to them. NG should know better, yeah right. LE is on trying to explain to NG that they have enough evidence to show that murder has taken place.
 
Since Heather's not here to corroberate that evidence, can they still use it? I'm asking from a legal perspective...she's not here to confirm or deny that was even her posting anything...

I don't mean her posts of that night, but her entire accounts...I think the accounts could be proven to be hers, posted by her, etc JMO
 
You mean worse than being charged with murder, kidnapping, lying to LE and indecent exposure?

And Welcome!!!

Thank you. My comment is complicated in a host of a turmoil of emotions only looking to redirect. I would hope in this case [modsnip], those comments would be reserved while exploring the facts.
 
Someone posted they were ethereal images. Not sure what that means. It might speak to a state of mind of how she was feeling.

I went and looked at the images, and the graphic pictures aside, I think the poetry ones show she was struggling with something. There is no telling what kind of mind games that SM & TM were putting her through.
 
Do you mean the Twitter account? The postings? Here is the Tumbler acct. but I don't know which ones she herself wrote.
Does anyone else know? There are many names, and mostly poetry here.

Is she "The 24th of January?".....because HE was born on June 30th.

[modsnip]

You can tell by looking at the posts, if they say they've been reblogged, they're not hers.
 
Someone posted they were ethereal images. Not sure what that means. It might speak to a state of mind of how she was feeling.

I posted that.

TE described the ten posts as containing quotes, poems, art related things.

Ethereal came to my mind as a description for things that are airy, beautiful, refined, spiritual.
 
Okay...here's my theory up to point - sorry VERY LONG:

ALL THAT FOLLOWS IS MOO:

IMO SM and TCM were stalking her the day of 12/17 and into 12/18.
Drug binge? Drunk?
But yes. Stalking her. Probably in TCM new ride (per November's post)

[modsnip]

...*I think that it's possible this was the telephone line thing?
Where one person says something and 40+ people repeat it.
I'm not totally sure on this part of it. But I'm more sold on it now knowing the first IE charge was across the street from none other than ...the Conway Medical Center.

Okay - that's the weakest part of my theory there.

Now... Heather goes on date.
If it's correct and documented that the date was 10p-2a
She and date almost immediately head south to the mall as 10:45pm she sends the photo of her learning to drive stick and she's already a pro.

The original news reports state that they went to a mexican restaurant
At that time of night nothing is open. ESPECIALLY on a Tuesday in December. We are very seasonal bc of the tourism.
So the only place that she could have gone that would fit 'mexican restaurant' is Senior Frogs.
Address for Senior Frogs is: 1304 Celebrity Cir, Myrtle Beach, SC 29577
Fitting the location of second IE report on 12/18

Whether or not she KNEW they were following her?
I'm not sure. But I personally looked at her twitter acct almost immediately following her disappearance reports.
And by referencing Tammy's original rant: "although 4 months of it has gone missing in the past couple weeks"
Yes. I noticed that much of it was deleted.
I theorize LE cut out much of the few weeks leading up to 12/18
UP TO AND INCLUDING any status or posts that Tammy may have made once she had her dirty mits on Heather's phone.
Currently nothing is viewable from 11/29 on. And Heather has a history of tweeting as many times as 6 and 7 in one day.

Date was a few minutes off in his timing. And he returned her home safely seeing her car in the parking lot of her condo prior to 2am.

TCM/SM are still stalking....

[modsnip]
Because I feel like at this time when they knew the date had dropped her off. TCM/SM went and he called her (from a stationary old school phoning device) to ask her to meet at PTL.
All motivated by Tammy who likely 'had some words for that *advertiser censored*' <---sorry, imagining TCM mentality/verbage

Totally speculating, but I kind of think it might have been the gas station at the beginning of Tidewater Rd where so many of the initial search efforts were?
I will have to look to see if there is a payphone there?!

Hiccup1 - They didn't anticipate her immediately calling someone to tell all at that time of night. i.e. 'he's leaving his wife and wants to be with me'

Hiccup2 - They didn't expect Heather to call him back on his cell phone. She was supposed to just arrive at 'their' location. (and I say "their" because I believe SM and Heather had met there before. Not going to lie. It's a VERY remote area. At 2,3,4am in the cover of night I can't imagine any girl would go there for the first time. She was familiar. IMO

Now... I'm not totally feeling what time Heather actually DID drive to PTL.
After calling roommate at 1:44 she could have laid down - did those last few tumblr posts and then made up her mind to go? Not TOTALLY sure on the timing here. Think those tumblr posts were around 2-2:15am neighborhood?

So she could have hopped up at that time and gone straight there.
OR SM and Heather could have back and forthed, him all the while convincing her to come meet him (read:them).

As for timing?? In this I'm saying I feel the time of the altercation could have been anywhere from as early as 2:30am to 6am
HOWEVER, IMO I feel as though it was much earlier than later.
I believe TCM/SM used her phone after they'd carried out their plot. Mostly to be nosy and degrading.. rifling through other's things is a great disrespect. And above all TCM knew how dear that phone was to Heather. She'd fb, twitter, tumblr, vine ... you name it.
Our girl lived live. Meal to meal and thought to thought. Most importantly Tammy probably wanted to make sure there were no special or saved texts/msg from SM that he had deleted on his end/from his phone.

So as for the time, I'm just not sure. Because I'm not sure who had possession of the phone/when.
Even a gap in usage would be hard to tell. As (unfortunately) many text/call while driving.

Now. On Heather's arrival.
She pulls in fast. Again (all IMO)
She's hurried on pulling in. And thinks it will be a quick visit. As the car was found "parked" improperly.
To me? I think that means she expected this to be a quick in and out. But out of habit uses the auto lock on her keychain.

The parking of her car and the strange nature of HOW it was parked was reported as being the initial reason a woman who lives in that area called it in.
Her car was a strange/suspicious vehicle worthy of a call to the authorities.

An officer (as I recall) went to her father's home to inform them of her vehicle being located. And I remember somewhere them saying, "within 20 minutes they knew something wasn't right"

So - here's my theory.
She pulls up at PTL.
She sees Sidney's truck. And she's familiar with it.
She gets out. And proceeds to hop in with him.
It's a quad cab. TCM is in the back seat.
She lynches Heather.
****GRAPHIC****
In the process Heather likely initially grasped for whatever it was around her neck. And over the course of the moments that remained may have kicked/damaged the passenger side interior.
But above all? (My father was a coroner thru my growing up). When people pass away they relieve themselves.
*Some* of our DNA IMO. And let's be honest short of replacing the entire passenger seat and floor board they could not eliminate this entirely.

Now? In my head I see SM getting out while this is going on.
Probably not wanting to see. And 'preparing' the truck bed.

Today I was pretty convinced that the comments that we heard about 'we knew in 20 minutes something wasn't right'
I immediately carried on with my vision and imagine Tammy pushing Heather out of HER passenger seat onto ground.
And IMO she then proceeded to drag her to the back to put in the truck bed. TCM had so little respect for this girl I don't think she would do the classic body drag you see in movies or in your head (face up, carrying under armpits, heals on the ground). IMO Tammy would have picked up her lower leg and drug her backwards to the tail gate.

My original thought process included the dock leading to water to be concrete, but the surrounding areas at the landing to be dirt/earthy.
But I went again today. And the entire area is concrete. Granted, it's older concrete. Tiny broke up pebbles/dirt/foliage/leaves/pine straw.

Here's where I get hung up. And my greatest desire.
IMO they didn't go far with her.
Her physical, earthly body is what we seek at this point.

So I'm going to guess they didn't drive to their home *with her body* <---IMO TCM has far too much disdain for Heather to take her home.
I don't think they drove to the end of Peachtree Dr. *with her body*
Unfortunately, I FEEL - there is about a ten minute radius of the crime scene that we will find her body.

Sorry so lengthy. And thank you Websleuths for offering me a platform to offer my theories and thoughts.
 
I was a little shocked myself; that was my first time looking at her Tumblr account. I'm afraid that the defense may use this account to try and poison the minds of a jury, if it goes to trial.
First, we are assuming that this is actually HE's account and not one set up by someone else masquerading as HE. (Seen this happen many times with high school girls. It isn't hard.). Second, we are assuming this site has not been hacked. (also not too hard with Tumblr). Fortunately, LE forensic specialists should be able to tell if either or both are true or false.
 
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