SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 #24 **ARREST**

[Solitaryone]

Does anyone think TCM or SM did talk, but they couldn't find Heather's body? Or is that just wishful thinking?

 

[passionflower]

Thee are plenty of restaurant jobs along the Grand Strand. The restaurant does not really determine how much money you make. How good of a waitress/server you are (and sometimes how attractive you are depending on clientele) determines your income. It's just odd that Amber and Heather both worked at TK here. Briana DID NOT work at TK in MB. She worked at the Columbia location (about 3 hour drive from MB)

3 hour drive but just for thinking outside the box, do the girls all get together for any type of social function? and could SM have a contract with TKilt to do certain maintenance. Could paths of criss crossed socially???

Forgive me, but I do think the 'M's" have hurt, bullied & killed before.

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[Starling]

Interesting thought you brought up about leaving the car and not putting it in the water. There have been at least 2 people to run off of PTL in their cars and drown since I have been alive. It is very dark down there and the road runs right into the river. Anyone that has lived here long enough like TM for instance would know about the deaths/accidents in the past. They could have easily drowned her, put her in her car and ran it off into the water, and possibly gotten by with murder. So why didn't they???

Maybe they wanted it to look like a suicide?

 

[Solitaryone]

I hope LE keeps searching and this wasn't just a one day search. I'm with others here, I don't think TCM and SM made all these mistakes, but took the time to hide Heather's body so well that she can't be found. Any locals hear anything about continued searches?

 

[Hatfield]

Interesting thought you brought up about leaving the car and not putting it in the water. There have been at least 2 people to run off of PTL in their cars and drown since I have been alive. It is very dark down there and the road runs right into the river. Anyone that has lived here long enough like TM for instance would know about the deaths/accidents in the past. They could have easily drowned her, put her in her car and ran it off into the water, and possibly gotten by with murder. So why didn't they???

Maybe "rage".

I always have wondered if one or both of them were just filled with pure rage and maybe wanted to just beat her up. Maybe when they finally confronted her the rage overtook them and it turned to murder.

So the planning / setup could still have happened but for a different reason and this maybe why the car was left there because it wasnt part of the original plan.

Which would point to a hasty hiding of the body. However people have mentioned before that they did get an extra day or so to rethink things and maybe moved the body to a better dumping site if they did not use the water originally.

 

[socasteegirl]

Maybe they could have had plenty of time to plan what they would do. They had just returned from a 3 week cross country trip in which they drove. As I have mentioned before that is a long time to talk about problems, solutions, etc. Maybe not talk about it??? But think about it for sure. TM was away from school work, house work, etc for 3 weeks with just her husband and kids driving cross country. Gave her lots of time to think about how she wanted to handle problems when she got back home. IMO and just some thought

 

[Topcat]

Wondering even more how LE can have proof of death, if no blood involved though.

What if they have video of Heather driving down Peach Tree Rd, to PTL and also have video of either one or both of the Moorer's doing the same. Now maybe they also have a video of either or both of the Moorer's returning from PTL but not Heather .May not be proof of death but like I stated a few days ago it may prove she's not alive because of the video and the fact she has not in any shape or form had communication/followed a routine to show she was alive..:twocents:

 

[Whiteorchids]

Does anyone know if they used sonar to search for HE in the water?

 

[spiritseeker31]

Is anyone aware of a previous search off Peachtree on Mill Pond Rd. To the left there are two large ponds. In between those - just wondering if its been searched. TIA

 

[mblocal]

I am not one to second guess LE... As I have no experience in that profession...

And these agencies have been having success in so many different areas in this case...

But... I have to agree that I am puzzled as to why there has been a decision to not explore/investigate this body of water to a greater extent... and/or for a longer duration of time...

:waitasec:

They did search the river - for days, maybe two weeks. Again, they spent countless hours searching in and around PTL. Including LE, CUE, volunteers. They searched water and land with boats, ATVs, on foot and horseback. A LOT of search efforts were devoted to PTL and the waterway.

 

[cluciano63]

JMO, but I am not feeling that the M's are any kind of serial criminals other than maybe petty stuff, or fraud. I think this was a one-off personal situation and that SM was caught breaking a promise not to see or communicate with Heather ever again, and that served as motive for the crime. I think TM thought they would resume their normal "perfect" lives once she was out of the picture and that SM would never dare step out on her again.

But she could not control her anger and rage toward Heather...making that FB post clearly shows, IMO, that even after the deed, things were not rosy in Moorer land...

JMO

 

[seattlechiquita]

JMO, but I am not feeling that the M's are any kind of serial criminals other than maybe petty stuff, or fraud. I think this was a one-off personal situation and that SM was caught breaking a promise not to see or communicate with Heather ever again, and that served as motive for the crime. I think TM thought they would resume their normal "perfect" lives once she was out of the picture and that SM would never dare step out on her again.

But she could not control her anger and rage toward Heather...making that FB post clearly shows, IMO, that even after the deed, things were not rosy in Moorer land...

JMO

I subscribe to this theory also.

 

[Ghostwheel]

At about 25 seconds into this video, look at how fast that water is moving at the landing.

http://www.wfsb.com/story/24804641/hcpd-couple-to-be-charged-with-murder-of-heather-elvis

ETA: A link would help, sorry.

OK, I have that regional stupid feel again. That water is going in the opposite direction I would have thought it would go. I'm used to water coming out of the mountains and heading towards the ocean. In that video, it looks like the water is heading away from the ocean and going inland. Is that right?

ETA:
Going by my map here:https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=217392837830814032642.0004f021d471f6459095e&msa=0&ll=33.703921,-78.98243&spn=0.099966,0.227623

 

[cujenn81]

Hmmm...interesting. If that is PTL, then that is either a rising tide, or a strong wind blowing upriver (note Spanish moss moving in the trees).

If that footage was filmed the day they were arrested (last Friday--side note: that feels like a month ago to me for some reason), it stormed for a good part of that day. Maybe that's why the water was moving so fast?


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[Hatfield]

They did search the river - for days, maybe two weeks. Again, they spent countless hours searching in and around PTL. Including LE, CUE, volunteers. They searched water and land with boats, ATVs, on foot and horseback. A LOT of search efforts were devoted to PTL and the waterway.

I did see some early pictures of a bunch of boats on the water but it looked kind of random. I guess I just have never seen where LE ever said they did an organized grid search pattern solely focused solely on checking the bottom of the river.

I do believe this type of searching would need a very organized and very thorough grid search of the bottom.

They did mention today something about grid searching so maybe it has already been done.

 

[Whiteorchids]

They did search the river - for days, maybe two weeks. Again, they spent countless hours searching in and around PTL. Including LE, CUE, volunteers. They searched water and land with boats, ATVs, on foot and horseback. A LOT of search efforts were devoted to PTL and the waterway.

But did they use sonar equipment? which is a more sophisticated source of finding bodies under water. How deep is it?

 

[MadamReporter]

But did they use sonar equipment? which is a more sophisticated source of finding bodies under water. How deep is it?

In an earlier post that included a picture of one of the boats a certain hawkeyed WS'r noticed a sonar on the boat. I was trying to find it to reply to your post, but it seems it's gone poof. Not sure why though.

 

[mblocal]

I did see some early pictures of a bunch of boats on the water but it looked kind of random. I guess I just have never seen where LE ever said they did an organized grid search pattern solely focused solely on checking the bottom of the river.

I do believe this type of searching would need a very organized and very thorough grid search of the bottom.

They did mention today something about grid searching so maybe it has already been done.

Here are details from earlier in the investigation:

Police, CUE Center continue to search

Horry County Police and the Department of Natural Resources continued to search the area around Peachtree Landing in Socastee.

The CUE Center says the search is still going. People are helping alongside law enforcement. Last weekend, they kicked the search up a notch. The CUE Center is called in more resources, brought in more, and began searching more than the water.

Monica Caison with the CUE Center said it's almost like Heather just vanished. They have been on the water every single day since her disappearance was reported. They have had people and teams of canines on the water. There is nothing to indicate she is in the water at this point, but it is cold, and they need to eliminate any possibility that she is there.

Caison wants to call out to experienced boaters and fishermen that have boats and can help search to contact her directly at 910-343-1131.

Full article here http://m.wmbfnews.com/#!/newsDetail/24273295

 

[hambirg]

This is just speculation, but does anyone else think HE may have been strangled? I know the M's love guns, but it seems as though if the murder happened at PTL, there would be a lot of blood to clean up if a gun or knife were used. Wouldn't an arrest have happened more quickly if they found DNA sooner? I don't think they would have been able to clean the crime scene so well at night.

They would have to match someone else's DNA to know who to arrest.

Interesting thought you brought up about leaving the car and not putting it in the water. There have been at least 2 people to run off of PTL in their cars and drown since I have been alive. It is very dark down there and the road runs right into the river. Anyone that has lived here long enough like TM for instance would know about the deaths/accidents in the past. They could have easily drowned her, put her in her car and ran it off into the water, and possibly gotten by with murder. So why didn't they???

I can think of a few reasons.

They disposed of HE's keys and were locked out of the car before they thought about moving it.

They may have not thought it was important because they assumed the date or the problem ex-bf would be the obvious suspects.

I had another one but now I don't remember. Need.More.Diet.Coke

 

[hambirg]

Does anyone think TCM or SM did talk, but they couldn't find Heather's body? Or is that just wishful thinking?

I'm leaning towards TM talking. If she told LE they put HE in the river, they still may not be able to find her.